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ModSocks 04-03-2018 01:50 PM
I think it's gone as well as any Chiefs fan could have hoped up to this point.

The article is pretty spot on. Personally, i don't think the Raiders will ever make the playoffs under Gruden.

Bowser 04-03-2018 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.
I think Oakland is a better team with Crabtree. He'd disappear for games at a time, but he always seemed to make a clutch catch or score when they absolutely needed it.

BigRedChief 04-03-2018 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13501253)
Holy wall of text batman.
woah, can we get aCliff notes version Batman? Geeezzzz

Indian Chief 04-03-2018 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13501327)
He was average before. Been out 20 years . Getting rid of his weapons to make a point that he's boss. I'm liken it.

Raiders will continue to battle Denver for the #1 draft pick.
It's been more like 10 years, but I understand your point. I think the key is what you opened with, the guy was a slightly above average coach to start with. His time on MNF has given people a more positive view of him.

Mother****erJones 04-03-2018 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.
Crabtree made all your big plays in the red zone.

lawrenceRaider 04-03-2018 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13501363)
I think Oakland is a better team with Crabtree. He'd disappear for games at a time, but he always seemed to make a clutch catch or score when they absolutely needed it.
That muthafaquer quit on the team last year, and had trouble catching a cold. I'd rather have Jordy Nelson, even at his age than Crabtree.

Shaid 04-03-2018 02:29 PM
Way too early for an article like this. I definitely think Gruden being out a while and being on TV/having the QB camp, etc. have upped his "legend" status. That's what the contract is about. They got sold on the bling. I'm hoping for a crash and burn but who knows.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-03-2018 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501356)
So which "weapon" was a difference maker that was traded or released? Hint, none of the guys listed were difference makers.
Crabtree and King were good players

TomBarndtsTwin 04-03-2018 02:50 PM
Meh. The jury is still out.

While Raiders fans can argue that the team hasn't gotten much worse, they certainly haven't gotten any better (personnel wise) since Gruden took over.

But he still has the draft and maybe some cap casualties from other teams to scoop up, so I'll wait and see how the rest of the off-season plays out . . . . .

notorious 04-03-2018 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13501414)
That muthafaquer quit on the team last year, and had trouble catching a cold. I'd rather have Jordy Nelson, even at his age than Crabtree.
Jordy is the better player.

staylor26 04-03-2018 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13501457)
Jordy is the better player.
Not today.

Hydrae 04-03-2018 03:04 PM
It seems like Gruden forgets that time is about to pass some of these guys by. He keeps getting guys that were great...a few years ago. The Chiefs are getting younger, the Raiders are getting older. I like our approach much, much better.

rico 04-03-2018 03:12 PM
The Raiders are gonna be like The Little Giants!!! I hope they don’t try to run the “Annexation of Puerto Rico” against us!!!

rtmike 04-03-2018 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 13501464)
It seems like Gruden forgets that time is about to pass some of these guys by. He keeps getting guys that were great...a few years ago. The Chiefs are getting younger, the Raiders are getting older. I like our approach much, much better.

If I’m not mistaken, that’s ALWAYS been the Fades mo. They’ve always seemed to favor guys on their 3rd or 4th contract regardless of who’s coaching?







This is reminding me more and more of ol’ Chip and his destruction of teams.

HemiEd 04-03-2018 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13501253)
Holy wall of text batman.
I enjoyed reading about Raider tears so much I read it twice.


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