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Fish 06-12-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13590016)
That doesn't really tell the whole story. I wonder how many dog bites there truly were, how many smaller dogs bit or attacked someone. If a chihuahua bites someone, it is going to do far less damage just by the nature of the size of the dog and biting power. Pitbulls are not, by nature, the aggressive, man-eaters that you seem to want to make them appear to be.

What do you think is missing from the story? All dogs have the potential to bite. But when a pit bull does, it's far more damaging than other breeds. That was the point. Lots of pit bulls are great dogs. The ones who aren't have a much higher potential to kill people when they bite. It's a fact.

Naptown Chief 06-12-2018 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 13590040)
I used to be in the camp of "it's not the dog, it's the owner." And while sometimes that is the case, it's kinda the dog. I would never own one. And all the "rescue all the pitbulls" bullshit TV shows are giving unprepared and unqualified dog owners a very wrong impression that they should own one.

I am absolutely the biggest dog lover I know, and I am sick to death of the local humane society handing out badly bred pitbulls to unqualified owners like Oprah handing out cars. It's incredibly irresponsible.

I do agree with this point. It's horse shit that they label them lab mixes, boxer mixes, bulldog mixes, etc in an effort to get them adopted. They require more work than your typical dog owner is willing to put in. Hell, some people don't even walk their dogs (any breed) or throw a ball for them.. Basic dog ownership type shit. For an English mastiff that may be fine, but try that with a high energy dog and see what happens.. destruction, anxiety, and sadly, aggression. That's any dog

Beef Supreme 06-12-2018 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13590050)
I do agree with this point. It's horse shit that they label them lab mixes, boxer mixes, bulldog mixes, etc in an effort to get them adopted. They require more work than your typical dog owner is willing to put in. Hell, some people don't even walk their dogs (any breed) or throw a ball for them.. Basic dog ownership type shit. For an English mastiff that may be fine, but try that with a high energy dog and see what happens.. destruction, anxiety, and sadly, aggression. That's any dog

And unfortunately, these same owners who can't even meet the minimum basic exercise needs of their dog, bring their under-socialized, wound up, hyper as hell animal to the dog park to burn off their excess energy. That usually doesn't get anyone hurt if it's a springer spaniel or Australian Shepherd. It gets ****ing dangerous with a pit.

Naptown Chief 06-12-2018 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 13590055)
And unfortunately, these same owners who can't even meet the minimum basic exercise needs of their dog, bring their under-socialized, wound up, hyper as hell animal to the dog park to burn off their excess energy. That usually doesn't get anyone hurt if it's a springer spaniel or Australian Shepherd. It gets ****ing dangerous with a pit.

.. Or a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Great Dane, a boxer, a lab, a golden retriever, a German short haired pointer, a "whatever the **** today's designer mutt with ****ed up teeth, an obscene underbite, and absurd price tag" doodle.

Any canine can inflict serious damage dude. I worked for a vet for 6 years. I've been nailed by damn near every breed, and fake breed, of dog you can think of.

stumppy 06-12-2018 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 13590040)
I've been a dog park regular for more than 10 years. I have seen more than my share of pitbulls. Many are sweet, friendly dogs. Many others are sweet friendly dogs until suddenly they aren't. Playing suddenly turns into a vicious attack where killing is the objective. Way more than any other breed.

I used to be in the camp of "it's not the dog, it's the owner." And while sometimes that is the case, it's kinda the dog. I would never own one. And all the "rescue all the pitbulls" bullshit TV shows are giving unprepared and unqualified dog owners a very wrong impression that they should own one.

I am absolutely the biggest dog lover I know, and I am sick to death of the local humane society handing out badly bred pitbulls to unqualified owners like Oprah handing out cars. It's incredibly irresponsible.

**** pitbulls. They are like Russian Roulette. Sure, you might get lucky, but why the hell are you playing? Get a better breed of dog.

Seen that happen myself. I know people who have PB's and say the same thing. They're just fine up until the playing/running/fetching crosses some line and they just turn. And when they do it's vicious and meant to kill.

Beef Supreme 06-12-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13590061)
.. Or a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Great Dane, a boxer, a lab, a golden retriever, a German short haired pointer, a "whatever the **** today's designer mutt with ****ed up teeth, an obscene underbite, and absurd price tag" doodle.

Any canine can inflict serious damage dude. I worked for a vet for 6 years. I've been nailed by damn near every breed, and fake breed, of dog you can think of.

What you say is true, but I have seen more than enough first hand evidence to profile pitbulls.

Naptown Chief 06-12-2018 11:21 AM

But that doesn't fit the anti pit narrative. Those are "special circumstances?" Put an under exercised dog in a room with toddlers and see what happens.

My cousin's lab bit a 9 year old in the face last summer, sending her to shock trauma. The girl was told several times to stay out of the dog's face. Not because she is aggressive and not because she isn't good with children. The girl wouldn't leave the dog alone and finally she'd have enough. You do dumb shit, you win dumb prizes.

Naptown Chief 06-12-2018 11:24 AM

She literally grabbed the dog by the face and forced her own face onto the dog. I guess she was going in for a kiss, despite being told to leave the poor dog alone. She got nailed.

There was no newspaper article, it wasn't on the late night news, nor did anyone talk of putting the dog down. If Ally had been a pit she'd have been euthanized on the spot

Beef Supreme 06-12-2018 11:30 AM

The anti pit narrative is well earned. People try to pretend it isn't and tell me how their little pibble wouldn't hurt a fly, and maybe that dog wouldn't. Take your chances I guess. Don't get all bent out of shape when people think less of you for owning one.

Predarat 06-12-2018 11:36 AM

One time in Florida an Alligator was attacking a housecat, and a pitbull was walking by. The Pit Bull protected the cat, and fought and killed the gator. Then the cat licked the pit as a gesture of thanks but the Pit Bull got enraged and killed the cat. Crazy.

Fish 06-12-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13590073)
She literally grabbed the dog by the face and forced her own face onto the dog. I guess she was going in for a kiss, despite being told to leave the poor dog alone. She got nailed.

There was no newspaper article, it wasn't on the late night news, nor did anyone talk of putting the dog down. If Ally had been a pit she'd have been euthanized on the spot

Probably because it didn't eat the kid's face off like a pit would have...:D

Lzen 06-12-2018 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 13590047)
What do you think is missing from the story? All dogs have the potential to bite. But when a pit bull does, it's far more damaging than other breeds. That was the point. Lots of pit bulls are great dogs. The ones who aren't have a much higher potential to kill people when they bite. It's a fact.

It's a typical tactic, only present part of the statistics to make things appear a certain way. Yes, pits are known for their destructive bite power. That doesn't mean that most pits are aggressive, man-eaters. As a matter of fact, they aren't aggressive to humans by nature. It's thug wannabes that tend to make them aggressive, IMO. And yes, those people owning pits are a problem. I just hate the anti-breed people.

This week, I am watching my son's pit while he is in Iowa. The mean, vicious thing was so scared of the storm last night that she kept trying to jump in bed with us. She ended up sleeping on the floor beside our bed. This morning, I was awoken by lots of licks and hugs with a wagging tail. That's just one of many of the good interactions with pits that I have had.

Lzen 06-12-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 13590055)
And unfortunately, these same owners who can't even meet the minimum basic exercise needs of their dog, bring their under-socialized, wound up, hyper as hell animal to the dog park to burn off their excess energy. That usually doesn't get anyone hurt if it's a springer spaniel or Australian Shepherd. It gets ****ing dangerous with a pit.

That is true. But by that same token, I've seen idiot owners to the same with their full-sized poodles. Or they bring their little anti-social dogs and that caused lots of fights.

Naptown Chief 06-12-2018 12:01 PM

What has also been left out is most "pits" aren't even pits. Hell, maybe there was pit in line a few generations back, but most these dogs are mutts. Mastiffs are commonly used to produce larger dogs with larger attitudes. Italian mastiffs, bull mastiffs, presas, cane corso are all commonly used because of their history as protection dogs. Look up the breed standard, and a picture for that matter, and compare it to those monstrosities being sold as "pure bred pits"

Beef Supreme 06-12-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz (Post 13590109)
What has also been left out is most "pits" aren't even pits. Hell, maybe there was pit in line a few generations back, but most these dogs are mutts. Mastiffs are commonly used to produce larger dogs with larger attitudes. Italian mastiffs, bull mastiffs, presas, cane corso are all commonly used because of their history as protection dogs. Look up the breed standard, and a picture for that matter, and compare it to those monstrosities being sold as "pure bred pits"

I don't look at statistics that may or may not be skewed. I look at personal experience over more than a decade of regular interaction. And make no mistake, I keep a close eye on some of the mastiffs and rotts, and other protection breeds as well.

Pitbulls and some pit mixes win the least trusted dog breed sweepstakes.


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