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Titty Meat 12-09-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191140)
If Haley and Crennel both had their hands tied on coaching decisions by Pioli... which appears to be correct, then you really can't evaluate their true coaching abilities.

I'm not ready to give up on RAC just yet. I'll have my opinion after these last four games.

Its not pioli who decides to punt on 4th and 1 inside the opposing teams 40 yard line bro.

the Talking Can 12-09-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191198)
I didn't say I am impressed. He came out in support of Orton. He was squarely in Orton's corner... as were some players. Pioli squelched that.

Pioli has lost some power. I want to see what happens down the stretch. Nothing more.

why does the last 4 games of a season that is already over - due to coaching - matter?

i hope to god clark isn't thinking this way...

mcaj22 12-09-2012 11:07 AM

if these idiots string together a couple of late season wins i will puke

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9191149)
Yes you can. RAC FAILED in Cleveland too. He picked Daboll as OC AGAIN. RAC is a good DC and NOT a good HC. Much like Wayde Phillips. When people show you who they are - believe them. He's shown you who he is...

Did he pick Daboll, or was Daboll forced on him too. The only ass chewing I have seen RAC do this season was Daboll, and IIRC that was after Cassel had been removed as the starter.

And yes, I have seen the shitfest every week from my couch at home. But for me the arrow has always been pointing at Cassel and later Pioli.

I'll join the RAC must go if the shit fest continues. Maybe as early as 3:00 this afternoon. But not just yet.

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9191219)
why does the last 4 games of a season that is already over - due to coaching - matter?

i hope to god clark isn't thinking this way...

I have said it several times already. I'll say it again. I have always felt Cassel was the problem for the teams performance. The whole teams performance. I just don't think the team believed in Cassel. Cassel is out, and the team has played much better these past two weeks. The whole team.

If the shitfest returns... even today... then I will sign off on RAC.

Messier 12-09-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9191225)
if these idiots string together a couple of late season wins i will puke

It's the same trap the Royals always fall into. A pitcher plays well done the stretch, suddenly he's the answer for the next season. WRONG!

Late season success means nothing. (see last year)

And I can't believe these teams get fooled into thinking it will carry over.

Reerun_KC 12-09-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191245)
I have said it several times already. I'll say it again. I have always felt Cassel was the problem for the teams performance. The whole teams performance. I just don't think the team believed in Cassel. Cassel is out, and the team has played much better these past two weeks. The whole team.

If the shitfest returns... even today... then I will sign off on RAC.

I dont need to see the shitfest return...

The first 10 games of the season was enough for me...

milkman 12-09-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191245)
I have said it several times already. I'll say it again. I have always felt Cassel was the problem for the teams performance. The whole teams performance. I just don't think the team believed in Cassel. Cassel is out, and the team has played much better these past two weeks. The whole team.

If the shitfest returns... even today... then I will sign off on RAC.

You're wrong.

Yes, I do believe the team believed that Cassel was an anchor dragging them down.

But a good coach will still get his team to play, even if the QB is an anchor.

If this team quit because of Cassel, and I believe they did, that is on the coach.

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9191256)
You're wrong.

Yes, I do believe the team believed that Cassel was an anchor dragging them down.

But a good coach will still get his team to play, even if the QB is an anchor.

If this team quit because of Cassel, and I believe they did, that is on the coach.

I have been wrong a couple of times before, so it won't be the first. And I agree with most of your post. But the team just didn't play well last week after the whole Belcher thing. They really played well against Denver too.

I don't think the team has quit on Crennel... just Cassel.

And again... my mind could change by 3:00 PM this afternoon.

bevischief 12-09-2012 11:22 AM

They need to go. They supported Shit's his pants and someone who needed time off and lots of help but kept starting him." Highest paid GM=? Saveourchiefs.com".

BigMeatballDave 12-09-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191245)
I have said it several times already. I'll say it again. I have always felt Cassel was the problem for the teams performance. The whole teams performance. I just don't think the team believed in Cassel. Cassel is out, and the team has played much better these past two weeks. The whole team.

If the shitfest returns... even today... then I will sign off on RAC.

Really? 1-10 wasn't bad enough?

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:25 AM

And just for the record, no matter how good Quinn plays down the stretch, I am on the QB in first bandwagon come draft day.

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9191283)
Really? 1-10 wasn't bad enough?

I know I am in the minority. Hell I would have kept Haley. I have always felt Cassel was the problem. Later I figured out Pioli was as well.

Ace Gunner 12-09-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191273)
I have been wrong a couple of times before, so it won't be the first. And I agree with most of your post. But the team just didn't play well last week after the whole Belcher thing. They really played well against Denver too.

I don't think the team has quit on Crennel... just Cassel.

And again... my mind could change by 3:00 PM this afternoon.

While I am all for purging this staff completely, they held the Mannings to 16 points -- nobody else in the NFL has done this. And, again, the Chiefs defense goes with DJ -- when DJ plays smart football, they are a decent defense.

milkman 12-09-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191273)
I have been wrong a couple of times before, so it won't be the first. And I agree with most of your post. But the team just didn't play well last week after the whole Belcher thing. They really played well against Denver too.

I don't think the team has quit on Crennel... just Cassel.

And again... my mind could change by 3:00 PM this afternoon.

So the team got a little spark with a QB change.

The fact still remains, this team played like a team that quit from game one.

Regardless of reason, that failure to show up is on the Romeo Crennel.

DTHOF 12-09-2012 11:41 AM

I just read the Matt Millen bio on Wikipedia and got really depressed, I just hope that they are all gone in the end. This team is a joke and there is no passion for this team anymore.

Coogs 12-09-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9191297)
So the team got a little spark with a QB change.

The fact still remains, this team played like a team that quit from game one.

Regardless of reason, that failure to show up is on the Romeo Crennel.

They have shown up the last two weeks. Cassel has been out the last two weeks. Coinsidence? Maybe.

I'm just sticking to my guns that Cassel was the problem. For now.

Discuss Thrower 12-09-2012 11:49 AM

I'm fairly confident ill never set foot in arrowhead in the next 4-5 years unless the Border War renews.

I've missed only 1 home game in the last 9 years and won't come back of Pioli is still there.

Mr_Tomahawk 12-09-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191295)
I know I am in the minority. Hell I would have kept Haley. I have always felt Cassel was the problem. Later I figured out Pioli was as well.

Are you reeruned?

Real life questions.

bevischief 12-09-2012 11:54 AM

The leadership on this team needs a colon cleanse...

BigMeatballDave 12-09-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9191378)
The leadership on this team needs a colon cleanse...

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...ln939FDw0bJWfQ

milkman 12-09-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9191378)
The leadership on this team needs a colon cleanse...

What leadership?

Coogs 12-09-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9191364)
Are you reeruned?

Real life questions.

No. I can think for myself. I think Haley was fine as a coach. RAC... I'm not sure. Should we keep him? Probably not.

If you want to search some, you will find posts from me being in the Stanford/Oregon college coaches as our HC for next year camp. I'm still there.

Just think Pioli has ****ed two coaches over here. Both may have not been that bad of coaches. So sue me. :shurg:

GloryDayz 12-09-2012 12:10 PM

What a dumbass! Now that the tragedy is getting farther into the past, while their actions last Saturday morning should land as a check in the "Pros" column, it doesn't do a dam thing to remove any from the "Cons" column. I'm sure some might have run but most people who "know" somebody would have done the same thing. As for Pioli, I suspect he was forced into this deal somehow, he doesn't impress me as a person who'd want to mix it up, even in conversation, with anybody who's armed.

So let's not give them an out based purly on not F***ing up an admittedly sad situation that was forced upon them. As much as CH is a piece of shit owner, SP is a piece of shit GM, and RC is a piece of shit HC. While nobody, not even God seemingly, can keep CH from staying the greedy money-grubbing owner of an NFL football team, he can help the team to suck less by swapping-up the next most powerful level of this F***ing train wreck of a franchise!

So this clown should STFU and stop planting seeds in CH's mind of keeping the train wreck wrecking!

chiefzilla1501 12-09-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191401)
No. I can think for myself. I think Haley was fine as a coach. RAC... I'm not sure. Should we keep him? Probably not.

If you want to search some, you will find posts from me being in the Stanford/Oregon college coaches as our HC for next year camp. I'm still there.

Just think Pioli has ****ed two coaches over here. Both may have not been that bad of coaches. So sue me. :shurg:

RAC should "probably" be fired?

The turnovers, the mistakes, the lack of energy, the stupid game management, the cluelessness to know how many carries your RB has, the embarrassing waffling on the QB decision, running Jamaal Charles for 30 carries in garbage time, the lack of confidence in press conference to wonder why players kept making stupid mistakes, the regression of DJ and Berry, the lack of locker room leadership from a team full of college captains, the hint that guys like Charles and Bowe and Flowers run their mouth about how much they hate it in KC, not to mention these are mistakes he was making in Cleveland where Pioli wasn't his boss.

I don't think Haley should have been fired. But don't know how anyone can possibly think Romeo is a good head coach regardless of who's GM.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-09-2012 01:50 PM

reeruned article is reeruned.

Coogs 12-09-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9191747)
RAC should "probably" be fired?

The turnovers, the mistakes, the lack of energy, the stupid game management, the cluelessness to know how many carries your RB has, the embarrassing waffling on the QB decision, running Jamaal Charles for 30 carries in garbage time, the lack of confidence in press conference to wonder why players kept making stupid mistakes, the regression of DJ and Berry, the lack of locker room leadership from a team full of college captains, the hint that guys like Charles and Bowe and Flowers run their mouth about how much they hate it in KC, not to mention these are mistakes he was making in Cleveland where Pioli wasn't his boss.

I don't think Haley should have been fired. But don't know how anyone can possibly think Romeo is a good head coach regardless of who's GM.

OK, I am not going to wait until 3:00. I'm signing off on RAC as well. Cassel is gone. Hopefully Pioli and Crennel are out too.

the Talking Can 12-09-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9192505)
OK, I am not going to wait until 3:00. I'm signing off on RAC as well. Cassel is gone. Hopefully Pioli and Crennel are out too.

good thing you waited for more evidence....

Coogs 12-09-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9192567)
good thing you waited for more evidence....

:shrug:

Looked pretty good for two series. We're back to normal in full force now though.

Reerun_KC 12-09-2012 02:20 PM

that should be the end of any Crennel support

notorious 12-09-2012 02:20 PM

Is it still cloudy mother ****er?

DeezNutz 12-09-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9192722)
:shrug:

Looked pretty good for two series. We're back to normal in full force now though.

We're talking about an large body (pardon the pun) of evidence, and you're mentioning two series?

This like being married to a lying, cheating, unemployed whore and having reservations about the divorce one afternoon because she applied her lipstick appropriately.

mnchiefsguy 12-09-2012 02:33 PM

Today's play should uncloud the picture.

MahiMike 12-09-2012 02:34 PM

Crennel has a lot experience as a grievance counselor. He has to console the fans every week.

FloridaMan88 12-09-2012 02:38 PM

Covitz and Teicher are terrible.

You can always count on them to quote Herm in any article they write.

Reerun_KC 12-09-2012 02:38 PM

84 is slow as hell...

LOL

bobinkc 12-09-2012 02:42 PM

Prediction...Romeo after the game..."I have no idea what happened today".

bobinkc 12-09-2012 02:43 PM

And you know Peeholi is still a dumb as shit douchebag....seeing someone kill themselves doesn't change that a bit.

Coogs 12-09-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9192825)
We're talking about an large body (pardon the pun) of evidence, and you're mentioning two series?

This like being married to a lying, cheating, unemployed whore and having reservations about the divorce one afternoon because she applied her lipstick appropriately.

Hey! I said I was signing off. He has got to go. We looked good against Denver. We looked good against the Panthers. And we looked good on the first two series today. Then the same Chiefs we have seen for the rest of the year showed up.

I'm off on it now. Just wanted to make sure we were the same ol' Chiefs and we are. Nothing wrong with doing that.

Spott 12-09-2012 02:51 PM

Belcher should have taken out Pioli when he had the chance.

Bugeater 12-09-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 9193054)
Belcher should have taken out Pioli when he had the chance.

I reeeally wanted to say this a week ago.

FloridaMan88 12-09-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 9193054)
Belcher should have taken out Pioli when he had the chance.

and Clark.

KCUnited 12-09-2012 02:55 PM

Romeo's defense is 0'fer against ginger QB's this year.

teedubya 12-09-2012 02:58 PM

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...4931504682.jpg

alanm 12-09-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 9191229)
Did he pick Daboll, or was Daboll forced on him too. The only ass chewing I have seen RAC do this season was Daboll, and IIRC that was after Cassel had been removed as the starter.

And yes, I have seen the shitfest every week from my couch at home. But for me the arrow has always been pointing at Cassel and later Pioli.

I'll join the RAC must go if the shit fest continues. Maybe as early as 3:00 this afternoon. But not just yet.

The bell tolls.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-09-2012 04:26 PM

Subject closed.

bevischief 12-09-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9193069)
I reeeally wanted to say this a week ago.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9193077)
and Clark.

This is what I said when my wife called me about this last Saturday and told me about this. But I didn't out of respect until now. They both need to go. He should not have been starting with all he had going on his life till it was straighten out. That a fail on the whole staff. Mental illness is real. These last few losing seasons didn't help.


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