Good Lord, do I even want to know..?

That feeling leaves you after a while.. Everybody feels better carbed up at the start but when you get your body in ketosis and start burning your own fat reserves that feels pretty amazing too

Open your mind up. It's just based on the individual's metabolism. Not everyone requires the same amount of carbs, protein and fat daily.

I don't carb up either. My preferred ratios are about a third, a third and a third—carb, fat and protein.

I don't like getting the shakes.

It's based on bullshit.

More:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...94T0XD20130530

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3893150/

But it contains so much truthiness!

Ladies Home Journal handing out nutrition advice again?

Do you know how to read scientific research?

You don't have to get the shakes and go ultra low carb because a carb is a carb is a carb regardless of the source but when you get your carbs from the complex cab list vs the simple carb list your body slow burns it and it's much better for you... You could live a healthy lean lifestyle if you never ate anything again but meat and salads... Your body does not need bread or potato's it craves them, white sugar is basically poison to our bodies. Don't think that I am trying to be some holier than thou health nut, I am learning this stuff all over again but I have a more at stake than just my sexy body... I have Diabetes and have had it since 2007 and even though I stay below the level required to be a truck driver I am still considered to have uncontrolled Diabetes, I now have my blood glucose levels close to a normal non diabetic person ... I am a lucky one so far, no loss of feeling in any parts of my body and good circulation in my feet, no viagra needed. My Dr told me years ago if I lost 50 lbs it would change my life. I am going to lose 50 lbs and change my life. Diabetes love people with fat on their bodies, it makes the insulin your body produces less effective. Skinny people can be type 2 as well though . My risk of a heart attack or stroke doubles when my blood sugar is high .. I will be diabetic all my life and I will die one day but flour bread potato's just to name a few is not important enough to me to risk checking out way before my time because of it.

I heard that fasting for 3 days straight would reset your immune system. So I fasted for 4 days straight. Nothing but water for 4 days. After 2 days, my hunger completely disappeared. I never felt a hint of hunger the last 2 days. Bizzare.

It was also weird not to take a dump the last day. I was empty. It also felt really weird to eat after 4 days without food.

I did pray to God to take away my hunger, so believe it or don't. Either he did or I didn't need him to. It was enlighteneng to know I could go 4 days without food with no headaches or fatigue or other symptoms. I felt great actually. Who knows if it jump started my immune system.

I really need to get on a fasting meal program. Daily, every other day, 5:2 or otherwise.

I find daily to not work at all. I am always ready for meals at irregular times outside the eating window. I think every other day would work better, but what happens to daily coffee?

You can drink black coffee.

I do fine for the first two days but usually hit the wall on the third and then feel like death warmed over. It takes three days to deplete the glycogen from your liver through fasting so I imagine that's what's happening.

I frequently do a 4:3 form of alternate day fasting (ADF). Most ADF plans allow up to 500 calories on the "fasting" days so you could incorporate that with the coffee if you don't drink it black.

Yes. You're hitting ketosis at that point and basically getting what people call the "keto flu." If you power through that, you'll really start to reap the rewards as your body starts burning those fat reserves.

The problem is that once the glycogen is gone, your body has to turn to protein for the glucose it does need and if you are fasting, that means muscle eventually (once autophagy cleans up the extra).

I did very low carb (basically zero carb) for more than a year and never really got over the keto flu completely. Some people adapt well and some don't and I'm apparently of the latter. I did lose a fair amount of weight doing that but nuked my thyroid in the process so avoid VLC now, short of a one day fast.

I'm pretty much ADF as well (we've talked about it in the Fitness thread I'm sure). Though really I do what people are calling "fasting" these days almost daily (16-8). All that really requires is skipping breakfast. I do almost 23 hour fasts on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I usually fast (though not strictly) on Tuesdays and Thursday as well, but I'll sometimes eat breakfast or lunch if I feel like it.

My wife and I were just talking about fasting last night. We've been (along with a lot of other folks on the old Workout threads) fasting for like 6 or 7 years. People used to tell us were unhealthy and crazy (conventional wisdom at that time was the graze on small portions throughout the day). It's been really entertaining to see a lot of those same people now tell us all about their new fasting diet that they're doing (forgetting that we've been doing it for a good while and that they used to think we were weird for it).

It's really become quite a fad as of late, though, once again, I'm not sure about the 16:8 fast that everyone is doing. Doesn't really seem like a fast to me, but I haven't really read the science on it.