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KChiefs1 10-11-2016 07:42 PM

Phenomenal show.



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unlurking 10-11-2016 08:46 PM

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2nd episode delivered for me. 1st episode was fine for getting oriented with the landscape, and not a criticism outside of it just didn't have that 1 scene that delivers the hook. To be fair, the story premise is already the hook.

Favorite theory so far:
Spoiler!


The makeshift oil derrick / cross is a great teaser!

Spoiler!

KC_Lee 10-11-2016 08:55 PM

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unlurking 10-11-2016 09:01 PM

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Good point about farm vs. world.

Either way, I haven't seen the original since I was a teenager. Don't remember the full storyline, and don't want to rewatch until after at least the first season!

Anyong Bluth 10-11-2016 10:22 PM

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... as Billy's friend said he was really interested in finding out who William really is.

Discuss Thrower 10-11-2016 11:41 PM

Holy shit that theory... that would be awesome.

Sad I didn't catch the player piano tune this time around.

Sizemore is a punk

Anyong Bluth 10-12-2016 12:15 AM

I'm sure everyone picked up the violent ends quote triggers the glitch and effectively spreads the awakening from "host" to new "host".

mdchiefsfan 10-12-2016 01:21 AM

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KevB 10-12-2016 11:27 AM

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I'm sure everyone picked up the violent ends quote triggers the glitch and effectively spreads the awakening from "host" to new "host".

Yep, and you'd think this would spell doom for the host, as it did for Delores' father. However, 2 hosts that are "infected" are clearly stars of the show, so interested to see how this evolves.

Anyong Bluth 10-12-2016 11:40 AM

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Yep, and you'd think this would spell doom for the host, as it did for Delores' father. However, 2 hosts that are "infected" are clearly stars of the show, so interested to see how this evolves.

Didn't they say her father used to be part of a cannibal cult storyline and a bunch of other messed up characters previously?

Each host may be different including how much trauma there is from all of a sudden recalling A LOT of terrible shit flooding in at once.

mr. tegu 10-12-2016 09:36 PM

What is the significance of the bartender appearing to have black hair in the first episode but then having grey hair in the second episode? It looked like the same guy, just older.

Baby Lee 10-13-2016 03:16 AM

I half love, half HATE, the fact that Abrams is apparently delving back into the narrative possibilities of the conflation of reality, fiction and fictionalized reality.

On one hand, in their beginning stages the storylines spark the imagination and turn the viewing process into an individualized creative process of its own as you dream up 'fanfic' of what it all means.

On the other hand we have LOST, the elephant in the room. The show where all that narrative world-building turned out to be a Potemkin village erected to mask the fact that they had no idea what they were doing in the end.

That said, here's preview footage.

<iframe width="626" height="352" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Bq-E2FZZ3d4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Baby Lee 10-13-2016 03:23 AM

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What is the significance of the bartender appearing to have black hair in the first episode but then having grey hair in the second episode? It looked like the same guy, just older.

This is exactly the kind of musing I'm talking about.

In an Abrams world, this kind of detail could be a CRUCIAL plot twist [or meta-narrative insight], or it could be a simple lapse on the continuity coordinator's part, . . . or it could be a once-upon-a-time crucial detail that got abandoned when the writers change their minds, and years from now they'll slyly hint it was a continuity error. . . or was it!!!!!?????

In the moment, it's compelling and satisfying to chew through the narrative details looking for meaning, Only time will tell if we're all a bunch of armchair Sherlocks, or a pile of dumb animals chasing their tails on the porch.

Baby Lee 10-13-2016 05:18 AM

This discussion reminds me of a philosophical quandary that seems to be percolating back up around the show.


What is more terrifying to you

An AI that passes the Turing test?
or
An AI that deliberately fails the Turing test?

Anyong Bluth 10-13-2016 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12480373)
This discussion reminds me of a philosophical quandary that seems to be percolating back up around the show.


What is more terrifying to you

An AI that passes the Turing test?
or
An AI that deliberately fails the Turing test?

How is the 2nd option not always the answer?

Exhibiting deception means that the new entity has already bitten from the apple and fallen.

I guess you can take consolation in the fact that it happened so quickly that we were predestined to fail and doomed from the start.

It is an interesting premise to present self awareness in an AI as a glitch, and the commentary as it translates to humanity and our relationship to nature, our environment, and one another.


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