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If we're going to take one at 27 I hope it's Mahomes.He seems to have a higher ceiling with a great arm.

That's what I thought initially but after some thought and consideration all that talent doesn't mean shit. Most great qbs are middle of the pack physically but leaps and bounds ahead mentally (atleast in thier scheme understanding). The deck is stacked against mahomes in almost every way. I hope a clevland or someone bites and allows one of these other guys fall to us.

"Leaps and bounds ahead mentally"

Like Alex and all those gigabytes?

Favre did not even know what nickel defense was until a couple years in the pros. He was pretty dumb. He was also pretty good......

No, not like Alex.

He might be book smart, which leads to an ability to grasp concepts, but he isn't field smart.

So because favre was a success, we should draft a QB with bad decision making. Ok.
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Yes exactly what I said.
:rolleyes:

Don't be obtuse.

My devil's advocate position is to point out that "mental strength" in a qb can be diverse and overrated. You could have a guy who has every player's responsibility memorized, can read defenses pre-snap, memorize verbiage of 700 plays but then..... shits down his leg at the first sign of pressure and throws all that mental edge out the window.

Decision making may be related to the mental game, but there is something to be said about trusting your teammates, believing you can make plays and having the nuts to stand in there and deal.

I just don't see what the difference between Mahomes and Bray is in terms of talent. I get that Mahomes had much better stats but that's only because he was in an air raid offense versus the worst defensive conference in college football whereas Bray played in the SEC.
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Umm ones gonna be a 1st round pick, while the other was an UDFA. They're not even in the same stratosphere as prospects.

Ok tell me how they're different in terms of ability. Mahomes is more athletic, I'll give you that. What else?
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You're literally comparing them because of their arm strength. That's it.

Exactly. He's also completely ignoring intangibles/character.

Well yeah and that's literally all anyone talks about when they talk about Mahomes. It's not like they talk about his accuracy or good decision making.

So how is that different from Bray?
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And you're ignoring that Bray had pro style elements in his offense and Mahomes played in the air raid offense against the worst defenses in college football.
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you do understand that the big 12 has the best offenses which make the defenses look bad stat wise. The big 12 defenses are very good. This whole narrative you're trying to push is stupid

You're the only person in the world that believes Mahomes is equal to Bray as a prospect.

1st round pick vs. UDFA. This isn't hard to understand.

Lol. I could flip this and say that the big 12 offenses look good only because the defenses are so bad.

You're the only person I've heard try to say that the big 12 had good defenses.
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So tell me what makes Mahomes 7 rounds better than Bray.
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-No mobility at all
-no ability to extend plays
-behavioral off field issues...maturity was a big problem
-extremely inconsistent
-really bad accuracy issues (below 60% all 3 years)
-not seen as a leader

That pretty much sums it all up. I'll add one. Mahomes doesn't have a douchy tattoo of his last name on his ****ing back.

Mahomes has the same inconsistency and accuracy issues, just that they were masked by the offense he was in. Is anyone saying Mahomes has good accuracy?

And on the flip side Mahomes has no experience running a pro style offense, and has far worse mechanics.

So currently he's better because he's more mobile and is more mature.
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Define a pro style offense? I'm guessing it's gonna ha e something to do with being under center, which is like 3 snaps per game anymore.

Mahomes is now inaccurate? ... Man, you like to grasp at straws.

Freshman - 56.8%
Sophmore - 63.5%
Junior - 65.7%

I'd say that accuracy really isn't an issue.

Unless you're talking about it from a pure ball placement issue.

Yes. Yes completion % looks great. But it looks great under every QB in the air raid offense. The system is made for easy reads and for WRs to be completely wide open making for easy throws. There aren't many air raid QBs with bad completion percentages.

Here's a list of air raid QBs and their perfomances. It's from. 2013 but the point still stands.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-dra...r-raid-offense
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Marcus Mosher‏ @Marcus_Mosher

According to Sports Science, Deshaun Watson has the fastest release (.35) in the class. Equivalent to Aaron Rodgers.



This guy might be perfect for Reid's system.
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You do realize that our current offense is set up to be extremely similar to the spread offense Alex played in at Utah right?

WCO QB

Smart
Timing
Precision
Consistency

The weakest part of Mahomes' game

Boring and out of date.

And that's not the air raid... Not every spread is the same.
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The difference between great and good QBs is the clutch factor. It's about leadership. It's about the ability to carry a team when needed most. It's about 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. How many NFL games come down to the end?

This is why guys like Tebow and Manziel went in the first. This is why undersized Russell Wilson went in the 3rd instead of the 5th as originally projected. The guy had six fourth quarter comebacks and fame winning drives in one season at Wisconsin.

This is the most important quality for NFL IMO. You don't draft a guy in the first or second round who doesn't have that type of ability and leadership.

The more I watch these Gruden videos, the more I lean to a QB in the 3rd. Give me Dobbs or Peterman this year and draft a keeper next year.

Yet, still accurate.

Ok peterman Webb and dobbs aren't worth it

Yep, drafting quarterbacks in the 3rd will workout this time around. Because after all, it has worked out SO many times before. If you're going to wait until the 3rd for a loser like Dobbs or Peterman you're better off just drafting another position that is likely to contribute.

Not in a team game. People want to fantasize that a QB does everything on his own.. but he needs the people around him to do their job too.

Imagine if Bowe taps that second foot.. imagine if Fisher doesn't get a holding flag... imagine several more instances in meaningful games... and the entire outside perception flips on its head. Even a few single plays.. in different games.. in different years.. where a certain player steps up strong instead of folds.. for his QB.

I do believe that some mentalities are inherently unwavering in strength, while some are weak and breakable... and you need to have a QB that stays confident that they will win out.

I don't believe in this mystical, magical clutch-gene. Not from Joe Montana... not from anyone.

Great moments aren't possible without great opportunities. You don't get great opportunities in the NFL without a clutch QB.

LMAO

That just might be the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Dobbs is a waste of a draft pick. The only thing he has going for him is his Manningesque forehead.

Ahhh dude... I personally witnessed many Chiefs playmakers with many great opportunities these past few years... Unfortunately, these ultimately became gaggles of missed opportunities, simply because we lacked a clutch QB.

I don't know if you call it clutch but you need a an with the sack to put the ball into a window down the field when the game is on the line. That's a big reason I love mahomes.

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Where is the upside with Mahommes? I don't see it. When you guys watch him, do you think about how some of those throws would go in the NFL? I haven't seen one game where there is more good than bad pertaining to him. So what if has a big arm and can make some great throws? So could Billy Joe Tolliver... His vision is bad, his mechanics are bad, his accuracy is bad, his ability to go through progressions is bad, his fundamentals are terrible, and he doesn't take snaps under center. How can he possibly have the highest ceiling???? He will require his own QB coach and that won't be enough. He's a flash in the pan. He's no Dak Prescott. Dak was clutch at Miss. State. He had some huge wins. Mahommes is nothing like Dak.

He's young... cheap contract.. has a strong arm.. and isn't a pussy.

That is the true answer. Doesn't mean he will end up being successful... but it's what the people want. Can't say I don't understand it... but for me, winning seasons feel pretty good. I like them. Even if they come up short.

I'd go with a QB like Nate Peterman, and hope to keep a strong team around him. ( and healthy, FFS!!!!! )

whereas others are fine going 2-14 every year, so long as they are swinging wildly for homeruns.

I can appreciate that different viewpoint also... but 2-14 seasons are miserable.

I'll settle for enjoying the 4-ish month party.. having my slice of cake.. and wacking off at the end of the night. More enjoyable than screaming for the whole cake, throwing an embarrassing tantrum.. and then getting punched in the face by the hot girl that won't spread em for me anyway. :p

Peterman would be a fantastic #2. I'd draft him in the 3rd if available just for that. I don't see a franchise guy though. High floor/low ceiling. He'd be a great mop-up guy behind a struggling #1 or someone who could keep you afloat if an injury situation occurs. I agree that if you surround him with talent he could be effective, but not necessarily dynamic.

Your talking out of your ass mugsy and we've been down this to road on mahomes a dozen times. If you think all this about mahomes you really ought to reevaluate your opinion on dobbs.

If you expect a qb that took snaps from under center in college regularly then your list shortens significantly

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Yeah, that seems fair. Outside chance that he could develop into a very solid #1... but more likely just a very good #2. That would be worth a rd 3 pick, imo, also.

Won't prohibit them from drafting a top QB in 2018, if they want.. and they should want.

So I need to get something straight... did this girl punch you in the face because you persistently tried to get her to spread 'em? Or did you have a date with a hot chick, threw a tantrum like a little baby (this is easy to imagine) because you wanted the whole cake to the point where this hot chick punched you in the face and left you with blue-balls? I dunno man, either scenario...if I were a hot chick, I would have probably punched you in the face the moment you began talking about Alex Smith.

And whichever of those scenarios is correct, you found it to be less enjoyable than the many nights you get your slice of the cake and go home and wack off? I guess wacking off does feel good on the peter, man.

You are so philosophical and edgy. You are like a modern day Sandy Socrates.

Does he have talent?

If he has the best physical tools, then he has the highest ceiling physically.

Now the question becomes, can he learn?

That's a question that none of us can answer, not even the scouts and GMs can answer with abosolute certainty.

I do find it amazingly coincidental that every Alex fan can not see a first round prospect in this draft.

I have viewed Mitch Trubisky as a 1st rd talent for months.. and even selected him in two different GM mocks for the Chiefs in rd 1.. one of which, I traded up for him.

So really... take the conspiracy theory, and shove it straight up your old, constipated ass.

Oh, and have a fine day, sir.

First round potential. Here you go:
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Yeah sure.

And what the hell is your definition of a conspiracy?

It's not like I think any of you dumbasses are smart enough to come to a meeting of the minds.

Look at that, Alex running the spread option under Urban Meyer...

Those damn QBs that run a spread say all the Smith lovers.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

LMAO

Sweet take, Bob!

Sandy loving him some Nate Peterman LMAO

Jesus. These takes...

My memory was correct, you were a Smith ball washer who had no clue what you were talking about.

ROFL

True!
All you had to do is watch his highlight tape and knew that Mahomes was something special.

All the mechanics and footwork talk saying he was not going to be ready for 2 or 3 years was way off. The kid still throws off his back foot on the run....left handed....with defenders in his face....With Accuracy- just like he did in college and high school.

Butt****ing moron LMAO

Lmao

Are all of the Mahomes threads in this forum as good as these first two I've seen?? Can't be.

Everybody gives me shit for pimping Geno Smith and falsely claims that I love any and all QBs projected to possibly go in the 1st round.

So does that mean I get to razz somebody like King when he confidently doubts a QB projected to possibly go in the 1st round? Or is there a double standard that I need to account for?

Asking for a friend.

You can razz King for anything because he’s a ****ing moron.

Good old Jason Avant loving King