This might be the worst defense I’ve ever seen
 

Ever.

Then you don't watch much football.

This isn't even the worst defense in the league this season.

The Chiefs are the OU Sooners of the NFL.

My bad. Slightly better that 03. They got a turnover on downs.

That was really bad, watching them play is so frustrating.

I wonder how our overpaid cheerleader felt sitting on the c sideline knowing we probably win this game with him on the field.

Without Houston it certainly is.

They can’t or won’t tackle

Watch around the league, you won’t see nearly as many missed tackles or blown coverages or CBs literally falling over turf as frequently as when this shit stain hits the field

If the defense was even mediocre we win this game

Eh, there is no defense anymore. Pathetic, but the league is a joke now.

Is Reggie Ragland running in the hampster wheel that powers the server?

This is by far, an embarrassing defense in the NFL today. Reggie Ragland was pimping on that we were going to stop the run. And then he goes on that "Be Grown" comment.

Mother****er couldn't even shed a block to save his life. Hitchens couldn't even take correct angles to stop the run.

I’m not absolving the offense for tonight.

We know the defense sucks, which means the offense needs to execute when they have the opportunity. We know the defense won’t pick up the offense against good teams.

The offense put us in a hole by only scoring 9 points in the first half, giving the ball away twice in the first half, and missing multiple open receivers for TDs in the first half.

Yes, the defense is atrocious. Yes, the offense was great in the second half.

You simply can’t play from behind in New England and expect to win.

Houston and Berry will cash their checks this week

Let that sink in

Brett Veach...yea it's totally a fixed run D, uh huh.

Sorry Brett right now you have assembled a piss poor defense.

I agree. Of course it might have been better had we had Houston, KPass, Berry and Sorenson out there. Maybe not great, but maybe the punter would have came out once tonight. One punt and we win.

I'll give Houston a pass. He isn't worth the money but he still gets out there and battles when he can.

Berry can piss off

They scored 40 ****ing points, that's higher than the season average, if you think they need to be perfect and be 40+ that is a serious ****ing problem.

That is like being missing your entire front axel and then bitching about your gas mileage.

It is a bad defense

Beeeland Speaks. Blame him or the NFL?

Maybe we could persuade Haley to hire 11 guys off the street to play defense.

Couldn't be any worse.

Seriously if after this year they don't cut and replace a bunch of those players then Brett Veach is a complete moron.

I'm not even that mad at him. There was a defensive hold on the play anyway. Even if he sacks him it's first and goal from the 3. Sure it's better than the TD but odds are they are getting in anyway. Collinsworth was just trying to make a big narrative out of that play.

I would agree if I were saying that they needed to do something that they weren’t capable of.

Fact is, Mahomes had 2 bad turnovers and missed multiple open receivers for TDs early.

Additionally, when we play from behind other teams can commit to running the ball. If we play with a lead, that isn’t the case. They have to throw the ball down the field which is more likely to lead to sacks and turnovers.

40 points. On the road. None of them garbage points.

So the kid's human. He stepped up when it mattered. He did more than enough to win. He overcame their defense - he just couldn't overcome ours.

For the 1,000th time,it would not have mattered. They threw a flag on us for holding the second Speaks touched Brady. He sacks him and they get 1st & goal from the 1.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one getting 2003 PTSD.

40 points and you lose.....that is unacceptable in any situation at all. There is no excuse for any defense when your offense puts up 40 points and you lose.

I didn't think I'd ever see a Chiefs defense worse than 2008, but this defense is giving them a run for their money.

I thought the Cowboys made a mistake giving up Hitchens. :jester:

There was a phantom hold on the Speaks play anyway..

I don't know. The Pats D gave up 40 without a single penalty.

I’m not saying the defense isn’t mostly to blame. I’m saying the offense still has some fault in this one.

For instance, throwing a pick at the end of the first half instead of getting at least a field goal. In games like this, you can’t leave points on the field.

This is the worst Chiefs defense I've ever seen.

It's worse than 2003.

Is it me, or do players fall out more today than say the 90s? Is it the NFLPA or what? :shrug:

They have to be perfect this season. It’s our reality.

I think you are colored by the moment.

It wasn't worse than 2003 last week.

The point is right...as soon as Speaks touched Brady a flag came out in the secondary.

Jaguars with the best defense in the league getting lit up by Cowboys today was worse than ours.

Slow.
Badly coached.
Predictable.
Not really very talented.

Mr Hunt needs a GM who can trade and sell whatever we have, jettison the rest, hire a D man, and build this with animals.

You're able to breathe without assistance.


Let that sink in.

Bortles made this defense look infinitely better than it actually is.

That 2003 defense got turnovers. The lack of interceptions really highlights how bad this secondary is. They HAVE to go get help. They HAVE to.

Andy actually looked pissed at Sutton after giving up that Gronk pass play.

Mahomes can't be perfect

He's already carried this team all year. If Mahomes wasn't perfect against LA, PIT, or if he threw a pick against Denver, we'd be 2-4.

Mahomes is the only reason we're 5-1

Sure, but the pass rush got to him to make that happen.

There is no defense anymore unless you face a shitty QB. Baltimore shut out Surfer Boy, but Mahomes will rape them.

there are two guys on the defense making a combined 170 million lol

Yeah I don't know. That was literally one good game. The 2003 defense actually had a few good games early in the season before Maslowski got hurt. In 5 of their first 8 games they allowed 14 points or less. They were never any match for the elite QBs but they'd at least force a few turnovers and have a decent game against a bad offense.

The return of Houston/Berry and maybe Veach being able to trade for a CB or safety is the only hope for the D at this point.

evidently you didn't DVR "The Making of a Murderer"

They don't get turnovers, they give up big plays, they get sacks occasionally can't defend the pass or the run.

So what exactly can they do? If they give up a first on a penalty it's basically a scoring drive automatically.

That team had absolutely no pass rush. This team has one.

Still a bad defense, don't get me wrong, but when you're the top third down defense in football that counts for something.

Houston will return. Berry? Most likely he’s done. Sorry, but I HOPE he will be back, but I BELIEVE he will not.

This defense makes the 03 defense look average.

Yep....the refs has already bailed Brady out. Speaks tried not get a penalty...with the way the QB rules are now it is tough to blame him...and you could tell he felt awful after the play too.

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I hear what you’re saying, but saying that Mahomes can’t throw that pick to end the first half or saying Mahomes can’t miss wide open receivers isn’t asking for perfection. He needs to make those plays. I’m sure he would tell you the same.

Those aren’t super human plays. Those are fairly basic for the upper level QBs in the league. It comes with the territory as being one of the best in the game, which I believe he is already. He gets the glory and a (small) portion of the blame sometimes.

Don't play any really good QBs for the next 4 weeks. Going to see some more of the Bortles type games coming up. 3 of the 4 at Arrowhead as well.

I’m just not sure you’re gonna see dominant defense again in the mil

Obviously it can be better than what the chiefs currently are but it’s gonna be tough to just shut teams down

Yeah he made a few mistakes early but to your second point, we've had big leads early and the defense still shit the bed and nearly cost us the games. Chargers, Steelers, 49ers, Jaguars. The defense wasn't half bad early on in the game. Matter of fact, the defense has been its best early in games. Just at some point the wheels fall off and they can't do shit.

Andy Dalton is a good QB that will carve this defense up

Andy Dalton is completely meh. Of course this defense is trash so he'll probably get his.

Maybe this lights a fire in Veach to get some deals done the D needs a couple of players not sure where to put the emphasis but the Cardinals are willing to deal hell get 3 of their players and take advantage of this time to win.

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Sutton is in over his head, and the tools he's been given sucks.

Give a decent DCoordinator a bag of dicks and they do a better job than this.

Are you serious? We scored 40 on the road.

Ragland has been talking about improvements since training camp and he hasn’t done shit.

Nope.

Fire Sutton but don't kid yourself about what his replacement is up against.

Sutton has pics of Andy drunk and accidentally eating a child at Golden Corral. There is no other explanation for keeping Alzheimer Bob on the staff.

Yep..

Yep. If our defense was just mediocre we win this game easily.:shrug:

in Foxborough !!

Man if only a certain safety had not broken his leg...what could have been. Welp time to move on grabbing 11 guys off the street doesn't sound like a bad idea right now.

Shit, if it was merely godawful we win this game easily. Our defense tonight was an abortion's abortion.

Why is he still out there? pull 11 guys off the scrap heap and restart.

Hell, Sutton would probably just be relieved.

Sob Button

This defense used to be the rock for the team. Everything has gone to shit from the top down.

All of the legitimate problems you mentioned are tolerable if the tackling were up to nfl standards. It has been better the past two weeks, but still too bad to win a game like tonight's.