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-King- 10-28-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9055797)
is all i've seen reported...

anyways, time willl tell....i think okc bent houston over...very smart move by the GM...he made a legit offer, and then maximized harden's value in a trade

He'll get a max 80MM deal in Houston.

okcchief 10-28-2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055767)
I also disagree that Harden is not worth what he's asking. Only LeBron, Durant, and Paul had a better win share per 48 minute rate than Harden last season (http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../NBA_2012.html) While that will likely decline with more playing time and playing more of a primary role rather than a tertiary one, he's a great player. If OKC isn't going to give him the money, somebody else will and they'll reap the benefits of his production.

He's not worth a max contract to OKC. We will find out if he can be the man somewhere. Honestly, even when Thabo went down and they tried to start him he struggled mightily. He had a role he was comfortable in and had the light shinning on KD and Russ. I think it's a bad decision on his part. I have watched every game he's played in the NBA and I love his game, and what he brought to the Thunder, but that number you love so much is about to drop like a rock.

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9055790)
he's not a #1...his stats don't mean squat to me in the absence of durant and westbrook...they bear the responsibility for that team night in and night out..

we'll find out...

He's certainly a #1 in Houston. He'd definitely be the #1 for the team that I follow in Toronto. He'd honestly be a #1 in a lot of places...I don't blame him at all for wanting to be paid like a #1 instead of being low-balled by OKC.

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9055797)
is all i've seen reported...

He'll be getting $25M more out of Houston. Well worth it for him.

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9055808)
He's not worth a max contract to OKC. We will find out if he can be the man somewhere. Honestly, even when Thabo went down and they tried to start him he struggled mightily. He had a role he was comfortable in and had the light shinning on KD and Russ. I think it's a bad decision on his part. I have watched every game he's played in the NBA and I love his game, and what he brought to the Thunder, but that number you love so much is about to drop like a rock.

But this wasn't really a decision on his part. He just wanted his market value which is completely understandable for a player in his position. It was a decision on OKC's part to deal him and hinder their championship hopes for this season to get something for him.

okcchief 10-28-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055777)
I haven't heard Gasol mentioned or read about him in regard to the Lakers at all this month. It's been all Dwight, Nash, and of course Kobe.

So the guy that constantly talks about people being media sheep doesn't think about a key member of a team because the media doesn't tell him. Got it!

the Talking Can 10-28-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9055805)
He'll get a max 80MM deal in Houston.


he's not eligible for an $80 mill contract, as i understand it...where are you getting that number?

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9055821)
So the guy that constantly talks about people being media sheep doesn't think about a key member of a team because the media doesn't tell him. Got it!

I sense frustration in you. It's abundantly clear, though, that Gasol is pretty much an afterthought on this season's Lakers for a great many.

the Talking Can 10-28-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055809)
He's certainly a #1 in Houston. He'd definitely be the #1 for the team that I follow in Toronto. He'd honestly be a #1 in a lot of places...I don't blame him at all for wanting to be paid like a #1 instead of being low-balled by OKC.

of course he's a #1 if a team signs him to be a #1...that's tautological...

but he's not a guy you build a championship team around, imo...and they'll find that out...

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9055824)
of course he's a #1 if a team signs him to be a #1...that's tautological...

but he's not a guy you build a championship team around, imo...and they'll find that out...

Houston's not winning a championship any time soon regardless of anything they do. The goals there are lower (as they are for about 80% of the NBA).

okcchief 10-28-2012 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055819)
But this wasn't really a decision on his part. He just wanted his market value which is completely understandable for a player in his position. It was a decision on OKC's part to deal him and hinder their championship hopes for this season to get something for him.

No one ever questioned him being able to get the money elsewhere. They had no more championship hopes with Harden than they do now.

Ibaka and Westbrook took less than max deals. Really, it was his decision.

okcchief 10-28-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055823)
I sense frustration in you. It's abundantly clear, though, that Gasol is pretty much an afterthought on this season's Lakers for a great many.

I get frustrated with your know it all nonsense. There is no doubt.

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9055829)
No one ever questioned him being able to get the money elsewhere. They had no more championship hopes with Harden than they do now.

Untrue. They're a much better team with James Harden playing 30+ minutes a game for them than Kevin Martin playing 30+ minutes a game.

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Ibaka and Westbrook took less than max deals. Really, it was his decision.
His decision to take less than a max deal, but not his decision to be traded. OKC could have easily kept him this year.

KC_Connection 10-28-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9055832)
I get frustrated with your know it all nonsense. There is no doubt.

I haven't written any nonsense here or anything worth getting upset over in the fashion that you are.

okcchief 10-28-2012 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9055833)
Untrue. They're a much better team with James Harden playing 30+ minutes a game for them than Kevin Martin playing 30+ minutes a game.


His decision to take less than a max deal, but not his decision to be traded. OKC could have easily kept him this year.

Its not about one year. Besides, how do you know they are staying pat with this lineup? Do they not have multiple attractive picks and a huge expiring contract to dump?


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