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Direckshun 04-23-2024 08:44 AM

One of the DTs falls.
 
I just got done saying in Couch-Potato's thread that it irritates me when people say the Chiefs need to go out and get a stud DT.

They don't need one -- they have Chris Jones for years, and the rest of the DT room is bodied out pretty well for 2024.

But I've done two simulator mocks this morning, and in one of them, Bryon Murphy falls for some reason to 32, and I just did another one where Jer'Zhan falls.

Do you pull the trigger on either player, should they fall?

The Franchise 04-23-2024 08:44 AM

All depends on who is available from the other positions.

Direckshun 04-23-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17490366)
All depends on who is available from the other positions.

All of the best tackles except Jordan Morgan were off the board. All of the WRs except for Worthy and Mitchell were off the board.

Dunerdr 04-23-2024 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17490366)
All depends on who is available from the other positions.

This. The ravens have made a living off of guys who fall. I'd be willing depending the board.

The Franchise 04-23-2024 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17490370)
All of the best tackles except Jordan Morgan were off the board. All of the WRs except for Worthy and Mitchell were off the board.

I'd probably take Mitchell over Newton. I wouldn't be pissed if they took Newton though.

Sofa King 04-23-2024 08:54 AM

100% take the D Tackle.

Couch-Potato 04-23-2024 09:29 AM

I'm highly tempted to take Darius Robinson at #32, would take Newton as well.

Feels likely that quality OTs are taken and there's a gap at WR around #32, which in my mind makes DL a potential opportunity.

Not that we need a guy, but would be awesome to add another killer!

DJ's left nut 04-23-2024 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17490370)
All of the best tackles except Jordan Morgan were off the board. All of the WRs except for Worthy and Mitchell were off the board.

So Newton/Murphy, Mitchell and Morgan were all on the board?

Lord - who actually got drafted?

It'd be a really tough choice there. I'd probably take Murphy over anyone else. Newton/Mitchell/Morgan is a really really tight group for me. I'd almost rather move down to 34, pick up a 4th rounder and hope someone makes the decision for me...

Dunerdr 04-23-2024 10:00 AM

We should be building the trenches first and foremost on both sides of the ball but man the Skyy and Toney investments netted zero last year. Otherwise I wouldn't mind seeing us build similar to the eagles. With trenches first.

kccrow 04-23-2024 10:15 AM

With Jones signed up long-term, I'd find it difficult to pick a DT in round 1. Not that I don't love both players but neither are well-served by playing 1-tech and neither have a great anchor in run support.

I'm not a strong proponent of drafting DTs in round 1 unless they are a phenomenal pass rusher, and I see Newton as that type, but how much do we need that guy with Jones?

I think there are going to be some values between the end of the 3rd and the 5th rounds that will accomplish what you need there.

RunKC 04-23-2024 10:22 AM

Laiatu Latu apparently was flagged for medical reasons and may fall? I’d trade up for him for sure.

It is draft week tho so it feels like this is team driven to get him to fall to them

DJ's left nut 04-23-2024 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17490502)
With Jones signed up long-term, I'd find it difficult to pick a DT in round 1. Not that I don't love both players but neither are well-served by playing 1-tech and neither have a great anchor in run support.

I'm not a strong proponent of drafting DTs in round 1 unless they are a phenomenal pass rusher, and I see Newton as that type, but how much do we need that guy with Jones?

I think there are going to be some values between the end of the 3rd and the 5th rounds that will accomplish what you need there.

I'm seeing the DUI push Sweat into the 4th on occasion.

I know it's kinda silly, but man - I'd have a hard time not nerding out over getting Newton and Sweat in here to anchor the middle of that line for a half-decade. And yes, I know that puts a ceiling of sorts on Newton but you can get 40 snaps/gm rotating him in for Sweat on passing downs or in for Jones when Jones kicks out wide.

And Jones may need to spend more time outside as he gets a little older just to take some of the beating off him.

If your interior line rotation becomes Jones/Newton/Sweat/Farrell/Wharton then you can likely still get a fair amount of juice from each of those guys.

It's just hard to convince myself that we could have too much talent there. That kind of interior production makes things so much easier for everyone else. Really moreso than any other spot on the defense, IMO.

And if you can still use the 2nd and 3rd rounds to target WR and probably developmental OL (even if it's a OG long-term) then it's hard to complain about that total return.

The Franchise 04-23-2024 10:46 AM

If you can get Kiran Amegadjie in the 3rd?

1. Newton, DT
2. Pearsal, WR
3. Amegadjie, OT
4. Sweat, DT

Shit.

DJ's left nut 04-23-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17490569)
If you can get Kiran Amegadjie in the 3rd?

1. Newton, DT
2. Pearsal, WR
3. Amegadjie, OT
4. Sweat, DT

Shit.

Problem is that I think those are all juuuuuuust a little out of range.

But yeah - that's a JIMP of a draft. I just see Pearsal, Amegadjie and Sweat all going in those rounds, but about 10-12 picks ahead of us.

The Franchise 04-23-2024 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17490573)
Problem is that I think those are all juuuuuuust a little out of range.

But yeah - that's a JIMP of a draft. I just see Pearsal, Amegadjie and Sweat all going in those rounds, but about 10-12 picks ahead of us.

Yeah....you might be able to grab Blake Fisher in the 3rd and another WR in the 2nd. Or just take Amegadjie in the 2nd and a WR in the 3rd.

RunKC 04-23-2024 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17490573)
Problem is that I think those are all juuuuuuust a little out of range.

But yeah - that's a JIMP of a draft. I just see Pearsal, Amegadjie and Sweat all going in those rounds, but about 10-12 picks ahead of us.

Weren’t you on the Tez Walker train DJ? I think that he’s gonna be a strong option on round 2 along with Legette. Feels like they need a replacement for what MVS does on the outside and a YAC guy with the body of a true outside WR.

Feels like one of those 2 would be ideal 2nd rd options

Dunerdr 04-23-2024 11:34 AM

I'm far from a good scout. But Amegadjie seems like a project worth trying out if the board doesn't work out.

kccrow 04-23-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17490541)
I'm seeing the DUI push Sweat into the 4th on occasion.

I know it's kinda silly, but man - I'd have a hard time not nerding out over getting Newton and Sweat in here to anchor the middle of that line for a half-decade. And yes, I know that puts a ceiling of sorts on Newton but you can get 40 snaps/gm rotating him in for Sweat on passing downs or in for Jones when Jones kicks out wide.

And Jones may need to spend more time outside as he gets a little older just to take some of the beating off him.

If your interior line rotation becomes Jones/Newton/Sweat/Farrell/Wharton then you can likely still get a fair amount of juice from each of those guys.

It's just hard to convince myself that we could have too much talent there. That kind of interior production makes things so much easier for everyone else. Really moreso than any other spot on the defense, IMO.

And if you can still use the 2nd and 3rd rounds to target WR and probably developmental OL (even if it's a OG long-term) then it's hard to complain about that total return.

The question is really whether or not you feel you can get similar production in a rotational role from a different prospect later in the draft. I think you could.

I like Michael Hall or Ruke Orhororo in the 2nd, DeWayne Carter in the 4th, and Justin Eboigbe, Jaden Crumedy, and Marcus Harris in the 5th as rotational guys who can get after the QB.

If I can pair that with a higher-quality WR or OL in 1, I'd feel like I'm winning. I wouldn't be opposed to a back-to-back double-dip at DT in the mid-rounds, like Sweat in 3 and Carter in 4 or something like that.

I just don't think this is the year to burn a first (again) on a rotational defensive lineman. I would agree it's a good year to visit the position and push out some of this 1-year contract, and sub-par depth we have.

OKchiefs 04-23-2024 01:00 PM

I don’t agree at all that the rest of the DT room after Jones is sufficient. Aside from CJ the rest of the DT room is a significant weakness IMO. OT and WR are the top 2 needs as far as I see it, but if a stud DT is available and they are BPA I’d have no issue with taking them.

DJ's left nut 04-23-2024 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17490681)
Weren’t you on the Tez Walker train DJ? I think that he’s gonna be a strong option on round 2 along with Legette. Feels like they need a replacement for what MVS does on the outside and a YAC guy with the body of a true outside WR.

Feels like one of those 2 would be ideal 2nd rd options

Yeah - Walker is my Rice this year.

Rice was a guy I had targeted in the 2nd round and the pick I most wanted us to make (1st round had become an afterthought for me; didn't like the way it was shaping up and it turned out exactly as I had feared).

So I focused on what we could do in the 2nd and Rice was my guy. Walker is this year's version of that and why I'm reluctant to go WR in the 1st.

Because I think Walker will be a steal for us if we take him in the 2nd. And I think a small trade up would likely be required; just as we had to do with Rice last season.


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