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kccrow 04-18-2024 09:54 AM

2024 First Round Mock Final
 
A likely not-so-award-winning rendition... enjoy.

01. Chicago Bears - QB Caleb Williams, USC
02. Washington Commanders - QB Jayden Daniels, LSU
03. New England Patriots - QB Drake Maye, North Carolina
04. Arizona Cardinals - WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
05. Minnesota Vikings (t/LAC) - QB J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
06. New York Giants - WR Malik Nabers, LSU
07. Tennessee Titans - OT Joe Alt, Notre Dame
08. Atlanta Falcons - ER Dallas Turner, Alabama
09. Jacksonville Jaguars (t/CHI) - WR Rome Odunze, Washington
10. New York Jets - OT Troy Fautanu, Washington
11. Los Angeles Chargers (t/MIN) - OT J.C. Latham, Alabama
12. Denver Broncos - QB Bo Nix, Oregon
13. Las Vegas Raiders - CB Quinyon Mitchell, Toledo
14. New Orleans Saints - OT Olu Fashanu, Penn State
15. Indianapolis Colts - TE Brock Bowers, Georgia
16. Kansas City Chiefs (t/SEA) - WR Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
17. Chicago Bears (t/JAX) - DE Jared Verse, Florida State
18. Cincinnati Bengals - OT Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State
19. Buffalo Bills (t/LAR) - WR Adonai Mitchell, Texas
20. Pittsburgh Steelers - OC Graham Barton, Duke
21. Miami Dolphins - DT Byron Muprhy II, Texas
22. Philadelphia Eagles - CB Terrion Arnold, Alabama
23. Los Angeles Chargers (t/MIN) - DE Darius Robinson, Missouri
24. Dallas Cowboys - WR Xavier Worthy, Texas
25. Green Bay Packers - DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa
26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DE Laiatu Latu, UCLA
27. Arizona Cardinals - CB Nate Wiggins, Clemson
28. Los Angeles Rams (t/BUF) - DT JerZhan Newton, Illinois
29. Detroit Lions - CB Kool Aid McKinstry, Alabama
30. Baltimore Ravens - OT Amarius Mims, Georgia
31. Las Vegas Raiders (t/SF) - QB Michael Penix Jr., Washington
32. Seattle Seahawks (t/KC) - OC/G Jackson Powers-Johnson, Oregon

Jerm 04-18-2024 09:58 AM

Sign me up right now lol...

RedinTexas 04-18-2024 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17485559)
A likely not-so-award-winning rendition... enjoy.

01. Chicago Bears - QB Caleb Williams, USC
02. Washington Commanders - QB Jayden Daniels, LSU
03. New England Patriots - QB Drake Maye, North Carolina
04. Arizona Cardinals - WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
05. Minnesota Vikings (t/LAC) - QB J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
06. New York Giants - WR Malik Nabers, LSU
07. Tennessee Titans - OT Joe Alt, Notre Dame
08. Atlanta Falcons - ER Dallas Turner, Alabama
09. Jacksonville Jaguars (t/CHI) - WR Rome Odunze, Washington
10. New York Jets - OT Troy Fautanu, Washington
11. Los Angeles Chargers (t/MIN) - OT J.C. Latham, Alabama
12. Denver Broncos - QB Bo Nix, Oregon
13. Las Vegas Raiders - CB Quinyon Mitchell, Toledo
14. New Orleans Saints - OT Olu Fashanu, Penn State
15. Indianapolis Colts - TE Brock Bowers, Georgia
16. Kansas City Chiefs (t/SEA) - WR Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
17. Chicago Bears (t/JAX) - DE Jared Verse, Florida State
18. Cincinnati Bengals - OT Taliese Fuaga, Oregon State
19. Buffalo Bills (t/LAR) - WR Adonai Mitchell, Texas
20. Pittsburgh Steelers - OC Graham Barton, Duke
21. Miami Dolphins - DT Byron Muprhy II, Texas
22. Philadelphia Eagles - CB Terrion Arnold, Alabama
23. Los Angeles Chargers (t/MIN) - DE Darius Robinson, Missouri
24. Dallas Cowboys - WR Xavier Worthy, Texas
25. Green Bay Packers - DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa
26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DE Laiatu Latu, UCLA
27. Arizona Cardinals - CB Nate Wiggins, Clemson
28. Los Angeles Rams (t/BUF) - DT JerZhan Newton, Illinois
29. Detroit Lions - CB Kool Aid McKinstry, Alabama
30. Baltimore Ravens - OT Amarius Mims, Georgia
31. Las Vegas Raiders (t/SF) - QB Michael Penix Jr., Washington
32. Seattle Seahawks (t/KC) - OC/G Jackson Powers-Johnson, Oregon

Why do the Donks go for Bo Nix so early? Wouldn't they trade down to take him later in the round?

In58men 04-18-2024 10:28 AM

I’d cry happy tears

The Franchise 04-18-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17485601)
Why do the Donks go for Bo Nix so early? Wouldn't they trade down to take him later in the round?

The Raiders are right after them and trading down only gives other teams an opportunity to jump you for your player.

RedinTexas 04-18-2024 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17485626)
The Raiders are right after them and trading down only gives other teams an opportunity to jump you for your player.

I can see that, but I'd think that the Raiders would then need to jump on Penix right away given the same fear of losing him to someone else before they come up again.

The Franchise 04-18-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17485633)
I can see that, but I'd think that the Raiders would then need to jump on Penix right away given the same fear of losing him to someone else before they come up again.

The Raiders have Minshew. I’m sure they’d like a QB but they don’t HAVE to have one. The Broncos have Jack shit at the position.

RedinTexas 04-18-2024 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17485638)
The Raiders have Minshew. I’m sure they’d like a QB but they don’t HAVE to have one. The Broncos have Jack shit at the position.

Yep, all makes sense, but Minshew is a stopgap. Penix could almost certainly do with some "seasoning," so it would make a lot of sense to bring him in with the option of sitting him for a year.

Dunerdr 04-18-2024 12:24 PM

I get so damn excited for every member mock when one gets posted. I don't think you are going to get a lot of push back on this one.

In58men 04-18-2024 01:01 PM

Just the simple fact that we jumped over the Bills again to get the better player ROFL

Dante84 04-18-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17485633)
I can see that, but I'd think that the Raiders would then need to jump on Penix right away given the same fear of losing him to someone else before they come up again.

Raiders are known for jumping on Penix

DJ's left nut 04-19-2024 09:25 AM

I don't think next year's 2nd will get us up that high and that's about as much as I'd be willing to deal on a trade-up scenario.

I am absolutely not giving up a 2 this year with the depth of this draft and I'd be reluctant to give up a 3.

This year's 1st, next years 2nd and this year's 3rd looks like it should probably get us to about 18 in a vacuum but Cincy and Jax ain't gonna deal with us. So, how do we get that over the top to get to Seattle at 16? Man, I just don't see a path forward that doesn't include this year's 2.

That's gonna be 32, 64 and next years 2 for 16 and maybe 118? We might have to include 173 to get that done.

That's just too much. That turns this into a 1 player draft and I don't think Brian Thomas Jr is that kind of prospect.

gordonelloyd 04-19-2024 09:31 AM

I would do this, if we could get Bowers, but not for Thomas.

Dunerdr 04-19-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gordonelloyd (Post 17486466)
I would do this, if we could get Bowers, but not for Thomas.

You realize they are the same size, BTJ gives up about 25lbs to him and is a night and day faster right?

DJ's left nut 04-19-2024 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gordonelloyd (Post 17486466)
I would do this, if we could get Bowers, but not for Thomas.

I'd far rather do it for Thomas than Bowers.

How many of the league's best TEs are first rounders? Early first rounders at that? Any of them?

Of the, I dunno, 25 best TEs in the league I can see ONE that came in the top 20 picks. 2 if you want to count Pitts. Pitts and Hockenson - that's the list. Kelce, LaPorta, Kittle, Andrews, Goedert, Schultz, McBride - these guys were almost all 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Moreover, the financial benefit of a premier one is minimal. And it's an open question whether or not Reid even NEEDS a premier guy to get premier production - he's always had great TE play. It's just the nature of his offenses.

I would HATE that deal. Absolutely hate it.

DJ's left nut 04-19-2024 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17486476)
You realize they are the same size, BTJ gives up about 25lbs to him and is a night and day faster right?

I have a couple buddy's that are still Martyball Acolytes and both of them desperately want us to trade up to 20 or so for Bowers and think it would be organizational negligence not to do so if that possibility exists.

I think the Bowers or Bust crowd are throwback fans.

I can't wrap my head around wanting Bowers over Thomas at all. But I'm not sure he'd be at the top of my board if he fell all the way to 32. I'm just loudly anti TE in the first round.

I don't think we need to drop those kind of assets on the position to get excellent production from it. That's a competitive advantage we have that I don't want to surrender.

Dunerdr 04-19-2024 09:43 AM

Not to mention Bowers is on the small side when compared to the greats or even the goods. He is good but I think the way Georgia plays and being the icing on a weak tight end class has pushed him up a lot of boards. A lot of early round tight ends just end up being regular tight ends. Most of the best are developed after getting to the league.

Dunerdr 04-19-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17486482)
I have a couple buddy's that are still Martyball Acolytes and both of them desperately want us to trade up to 20 or so for Bowers and think it would be organizational negligence not to do so if that possibility exists.

I think the Bowers or Bust crowd are throwback fans.

I can't wrap my head around wanting Bowers over Thomas at all. But I'm not sure he'd be at the top of my board if he fell all the way to 32. I'm just loudly anti TE in the first round.

I don't think we need to drop those kind of assets on the position to get excellent production from it. That's a competitive advantage we have that I don't want to surrender.

He's a good athlete but IMO he's kind of small for a real tight end. IDK that he will ever block like a true in line tight end. I realize Kelce doesn't do that much now but he was always a solid in line effort blocker in his younger days. Tight ends don't have to be Kittle but would you want Bowers coming out of a 3 point to block furious george?

I'm also willing to admit his measurables and the picture of him with Gronk soured me a little. I was a huge Bowers fan.

DJ's left nut 04-19-2024 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17486485)
Not to mention Bowers is on the small side when compared to the greats or even the goods. He is good but I think the way Georgia plays and being the icing on a weak tight end class has pushed him up a lot of boards. A lot of early round tight ends just end up being regular tight ends. Most of the best are developed after getting to the league.

I just can't see an area where he's obviously better than Dalton Kincaid. That's not worth trading up for.

ThrobProng 04-19-2024 10:24 AM

I can't imagine trading up that far for BTJ. Only one truly impressive season, playing with Nabers and Daniels. I'd take him at 32, of course.

Chargem 04-19-2024 10:54 AM

A top WR is apparently worth 30m per year on the free market. Travis Kelce's latest contract was 14m per.

The 16 overall pick is going to get paid about 3m per year I think. The extra cap excess value from from taking a WR (27m vs 11m) means you definitely shouldn't be trading up for Bowers. I think Bowers could fall surprisingly far.

Chargem 04-19-2024 12:48 PM

If the draft actually fell like this, I would probably be happier with a small trade up for Mims or Newton

Couch-Potato 04-20-2024 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 17486590)
A top WR is apparently worth 30m per year on the free market. Travis Kelce's latest contract was 14m per.

The 16 overall pick is going to get paid about 3m per year I think. The extra cap excess value from from taking a WR (27m vs 11m) means you definitely shouldn't be trading up for Bowers. I think Bowers could fall surprisingly far.

Quality perspective.

I'd counter with I saw a stat that 64% of 1st round WRs bust. Spending what it might take to go all the way up to the mid teens for BTJ could be a big miss that CPers would be barking about for years lololol Would be interesting to compare bust stats for other positions too, especially LT.

Anyways, I personally want to move up for BTJ so I say roll the dice Veach!!!


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