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staylor26 03-19-2024 09:18 PM

staylor26 Mock 1.0
 
32. Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
64. Devontez Walker, WR, North Carolina
95. DeWayne Carter, DT, Duke
131. Cam Hart, CB, Notre Dame
158. Tahj Washington, WR, USC
173. Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville
252. Jaylin Simpson, S, Auburn

Couch-Potato 03-19-2024 10:19 PM

Very solid!

Guyton just feels like the pick to me this year, last year I had the same feeling about Mazi Smith. Walker is a bit underrated I think because he had to miss games this season and I think T Washington's a potential steal. Guerendo was under the radar before the combine, can't remember a player that shot up board more afterward. Folks that know say he's the real deal though, would have to be pretty confident to make the leap with so little production I guess. Simpson's another potential steal.

JPH83 03-20-2024 01:04 AM

I'd be pretty damn happy with this. Have my doubts about Guyton but I'd take him there for sure.

The Franchise 03-20-2024 10:09 AM

Fan of the Cam Hart pick.

staylor26 03-20-2024 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17451086)
Fan of the Cam Hart pick.

He has Spags CB written all over him.

RunKC 03-20-2024 10:36 AM

Can Guyton play LT? And yeah I go on about drops from Worthy but Tez Walker is the most worrisome WR in terms of hands.

He’s struggled badly with drops

The Franchise 03-20-2024 10:38 AM

I'd swap out Morgan for Guyton but that's just my preference.

chiefforlife 03-20-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17450734)
32. Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
64. Devontez Walker, WR, North Carolina
95. DeWayne Carter, DT, Duke
131. Cam Hart, CB, Notre Dame
158. Tahj Washington, WR, USC
173. Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville
252. Jaylin Simpson, S, Auburn

That is a great draft! Well done sir!

staylor26 03-20-2024 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17451132)
Can Guyton play LT? And yeah I go on about drops from Worthy but Tez Walker is the most worrisome WR in terms of hands.

He’s struggled badly with drops

Yes, I believe Guyton can transition to LT.

As for the drops with Walker, I think they're more of a concern than they are with Worthy. That's why you're getting a guy with that kind of size and speed combo at 64. However, I don't think the drops are any worse than what I seen from Rice and Christian Watson in college, and they cleaned that shit up quickly after some early drops in their rookie seasons.

kccrow 03-20-2024 10:58 AM

I'd be happy with it if it didn't include Walker and Hart.

I like WRs who can catch and CBs who can flip their hips and stay in phase with WRs through the route break.

Chris Meck 03-20-2024 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17451163)
I'd be happy with it if it didn't include Walker and Hart.

I like WRs who can catch and CBs who can flip their hips and stay in phase with WRs through the route break.

To be fair those were specific knocks on Rice and Sneed coming out.

kccrow 03-20-2024 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17451188)
To be fair those were specific knocks on Rice and Sneed coming out.

Sure, but I feel like both are significantly worse. A big reason I don't like CBs that are much over 6'0" is that they "usually" struggle with transition and staying in phase. I get he's a mid-round flier but I'm not on board at all. He can't stick with guys that can run routes but he looks great in a straight line. Honestly, I'd like him more putting on some weight and playing FS.

To be fair as well, Rice's drops followed him to the pros. He was productive but his drop rate wasn't great. It was atrocious early on before evening out around 8%. I'm worried about Franklin's, that's my biggest knock on the kid, much less Walker who is significantly worse.

staylor26 03-20-2024 12:48 PM

I understand the concerns with drops, but that's already factored it. If he didn't have a few question marks, he'd be a potential 1st round pick.

Unless somebody like Roman Wilson falls to us at 64, that's a swing I'm willing to take there.

RunKC 03-20-2024 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17451163)
I'd be happy with it if it didn't include Walker and Hart.

I like WRs who can catch and CBs who can flip their hips and stay in phase with WRs through the route break.

Ironically Hart owned Tez Walker in the Senior Bowl drills. I remember reading that Walker was a mid 2 range prospect entering the Senior Bowl. He bombed hard though that week.

Apparently he was the worst player at the Senior Bowl. Wonder if that pushed him to rd 3?

kccrow 03-20-2024 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17451363)
Ironically Hart owned Tez Walker in the Senior Bowl drills. I remember reading that Walker was a mid 2 range prospect entering the Senior Bowl. He bombed hard though that week.

Apparently he was the worst player at the Senior Bowl. Wonder if that pushed him to rd 3?

Pretty sure everyone owned Tez Walker at the Senior Bowl and when it wasn't that way he dropped it. He had an atrocious week. No player hurt their stock more than that kid did. I have serious reservations about putting him in round 2 but sometimes you just have to chalk it up as a bad week and look at what he did all season. I think that warrants someone taking a flier in round 2. Not a great track history with NC WRs though. He's a lot like Dyami Brown and that scares me because I liked Brown more than I should have.

JPH83 03-20-2024 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17451388)
Pretty sure everyone owned Tez Walker at the Senior Bowl and when it wasn't that way he dropped it. He had an atrocious week. No player hurt their stock more than that kid did. I have serious reservations about putting him in round 2 but sometimes you just have to chalk it up as a bad week and look at what he did all season. I think that warrants someone taking a flier in round 2. Not a great track history with NC WRs though. He's a lot like Dyami Brown and that scares me because I liked Brown more than I should have.

He wasn't struggling to separate too bad, that's why the drops seemed so egregious. Also I think his college drop rate was below 7% so not great but not awful.

I guess the bigger issue is his lack of production when combined with that. I know there were mitigating circumstances but maybe I'm just finding excuses. Either way if I like a WR it's the kiss of death.

kccrow 03-20-2024 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17451468)
He wasn't struggling to separate too bad, that's why the drops seemed so egregious. Also I think his college drop rate was below 7% so not great but not awful.

I guess the bigger issue is his lack of production when combined with that. I know there were mitigating circumstances but maybe I'm just finding excuses. Either way if I like a WR it's the kiss of death.

I could be speaking out of my ass but I'm quite certain it was 8.5% this year. The Shrine Bowl made Toney look good though.

Chris Meck 03-21-2024 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17451154)
Yes, I believe Guyton can transition to LT.

As for the drops with Walker, I think they're more of a concern than they are with Worthy. That's why you're getting a guy with that kind of size and speed combo at 64. However, I don't think the drops are any worse than what I seen from Rice and Christian Watson in college, and they cleaned that shit up quickly after some early drops in their rookie seasons.

Here's the thing, by my thinking-

If we're going to move a tackle from right to left, why do it with a draftee?

Just draft a RT and move Taylor. He already knows how to play in the NFL, at that level. It's less of a mind****.

If I'm thinking about taking a rookie OT I'd rather have him as comfortable as possible heading into the season, not learning all new footwork.

O.city 03-21-2024 08:18 AM

I'd put a young guy by Thuney and be ok with it.

staylor26 03-21-2024 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17452129)
Here's the thing, by my thinking-

If we're going to move a tackle from right to left, why do it with a draftee?

Just draft a RT and move Taylor. He already knows how to play in the NFL, at that level. It's less of a mind****.

If I'm thinking about taking a rookie OT I'd rather have him as comfortable as possible heading into the season, not learning all new footwork.

I've already said that I'm open to moving Taylor over as well. It doesn't have to be Guyton or whoever we draft. Let TC and the coaching staff sort that out.

I just think it's more likely to be the rookie assuming they're capable.

Jerm 03-21-2024 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17452232)
I'd put a young guy by Thuney and be ok with it.

Sooo why not do that with Morris and use the pick for something else?

O.city 03-21-2024 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17452779)
Sooo why not do that with Morris and use the pick for something else?

I would

If they don't want to, I'd just draft a guy to do it.

VAChief 03-21-2024 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17452779)
Sooo why not do that with Morris and use the pick for something else?

Morris has not shown enough to warrant handing him the LT spot. He can’t handle bull rushers and is grabby with speed rushers. He is not the answer, at least not yet.

If they signed someone like Donavan Smith to a one year deal I would still prefer an OT at 32 if Guyton or Morgan are there. If not go best Wr available.

We have to quit thinking middle round prospects like Niang/Morris are going to magically erase their flaws.

staylor26 03-21-2024 03:24 PM

Maybe Morris is your future Thuney or Smith replacement at one of those G spots while also being a swing T.

Stryker 03-21-2024 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17451136)
I'd swap out Morgan for Guyton but that's just my preference.

Looks like Ravens may get Guyton @ 30 and Morgan goes to the 49er's @ 31
Just what I have seen in the mocks I have seen. Does not mean it will happen though. Going to be a crazy draft for sure I think.

BossChief 03-21-2024 07:35 PM

That would be a great draft.


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