Are there any unknown "rules" against acquiring a second remote job?
 

Background: I work from home, and I love my job. Due to this, I don't want to jeopardize my current job but would love to acquire a second "easy" remote job that I think I may be able to secure (in process). While it pays less than my current job, it would be a great way to just funnel this money into a bank account and let it sit.

Are there any precautions I should be taking, or any unknown rules I should know about when/if acquiring a second job? For example, does my HR or company get notified by any sort of outside source (such as when they send me my W-2) that another company is sending me a W-2?

What I have read online seems to be all over the place, and what I've generally come to the consensus of is that I can get a second job, and there shouldn't be any issue, just to make sure that I keep up the work for both jobs, if not, my "main" job which was already a given.....

Prison Bitch did this and got busted by his employer, not sure how he got caught but there's a thread about it. I think there was a Zoom meeting and someone from his other company was somehow involved and spotted him. Pretty funny.

I don't think there is technically anything illegal about it, but you'll probably be fired if they somehow find out. I know several people who did it during Covid (short term at least) and never got busted. Not sure if it's worth it if you love your current job.

We already did this?

https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=349712

**** the man, and get yours

Taking over for Kagney Linn Karter?

Taking a second full time job from someone who actually needs the income to live is quite selfish.

The term for this is overemployed, there’s a community on reddit that would be a good resource

If you are going to do this, maybe work main job during normal working hours and second job off hours...


Was once a contract employee that was caught working a second, of course they were using main company's email to "Do business" for secondary job. and was only fired after not completing required training after saying that they did take it...

I mean if you get busted there will be issues, if you do a job that doesn't require a ton of work or meetings then you'll be fine.

Some companies let you do meetings without video and really only have an hour or 2 of work if you do that, then you can make it work.

I'm a remote Software Engineer so I think I could pull it off since I'm project based, but I don't think I want the added responsibility then you have to hide your LinkedIn profile and all of that crap.

I agree, check out the Reddit forum on it though, thousands pull it off.

Did he really get caught? Did he get fired?

Is there a post about that?

I think the general rule is that as long as it's not a competing company and you don't let it interfere with the first job it's ok. But your company may have different policies. Job #2 should definitely know about Job #1 imo, or it would get really tricky.

People still work from home?

I didn't remember this lmao. you know what's funny is after that thread I stopped searching cause I couldn't find anything. Just recently with holidays over I got the itch to start again. Funny how I somehow come back to CP to ask my life questions every now and then lol.

So that at home frontal lobotomy kit didn't work out so well for you?

That defeats the whole purpose of getting paid for 80 hours while working 40 hours.

Do you think it didn’t exist before the pandemic?

I need ONE good remote job.

It's unlikely your main job would find out about it as long as your performance doesn't take a hit. In theory, HR could run a background check and find it or something, but that's not really something places do randomly.

You're definitely putting your main job in jeopardy if they DO find out, though. I'd fire someone on the spot if they tried to get away with it and I found out.

I have a friend who literally has4 remote jobs. Says the hardest one he works 20 hrs a week, others 15 hrs, 15 hrs and 8 hrs. He has a job where its supposed to be 40 hrs but his boss has so little clue about how long it takes him to do things that he can totally half ass it.

I certainly don't have that gumption but it can be done.

The vast majority of them are customer service based so good luck with that.

Do I have to develop an Indian accent?

There are a shitload of high paying, white collar, corporate jobs that are either full-time remote or some kind of hybrid 1-3 days in office. Most of them are not entry-level and are in specialized fields though.

I would REALLY be impressed if anyone gets a remote hand job.

Extra pay in a fun environment.

Take it and outsource it to someone else

Pay them less and pocket the difference.

Someone at my company did this and got caught because they forwarded themself work they did for our company on their other company's laptop from their other work email address and then forwarded it to someone in our company which was an extremely stupid way to get caught especially since we're on a pretty strict confidentiality agreement lol

They got fired almost immediately

Seems like a lot of work but if you do it keep strict segregation of your work for each company

I feel like if you care enough about your other job that you don't want to lose it, the best route is to ask your employer about moonlighting.

You don't tell them and you get caught: You're ****ed.

You ask, they say no, and you get caught: You're ****ed.

You ask them and they say "you can moonlight when you aren't on the clock and as long as it doesn't impact your work here," and you get caught on the clock: You might be ****ed, but can at least play it off as a one time thing or hell, tell them you're quitting the other job because the other company ****ed up by calling you or whatever. And at worse... you're ****ed.

But, what if the question raises suspicion? ....well, if you care about your current job not to **** it up, wouldn't you already be trying to not raise suspicion if you hadn't told them? In other words, not sure I'd be MORE paranoid after asking than not asking at all. The outcome is the same: do what you need to do to keep your primary job.

I've thought about doing that too LMAO

I've been working from home since 2014. Little different for me and my field than the majority of jobs since we work in the cloud.

You are using a company laptop, all it takes is someone to look at your activity and they will know and see the pattern. You are probably not so stupid to use the company laptop but they can see every keystroke. You are off line, not moving the mouse for periods of the day…… they’ll know. Either you are working a 2nd job or ****ing off at work. Either way, it’s over.

Some sure but it was pretty far and few between when I was searching last spring didn't seem like the stuff around here that paid well was WFH

The rule is check your employer's handbook and non-compete policies and ensure you comply.

This. And it's probably going to say something to the effect that it's allowed as long as it doesn't interfere with your current employment. It might also state that you're compelled to disclose it to your employer. Personally I believe that's none other business.

I work remotely and have a second job that often times requires me to work during my full time job. Of course I own the second business and my boss is fully aware of it so I am not in too much trouble if I get caught :).

I love how people that work from home don't think there is anything wrong with working less than 40 hours and that it is OK to try to do a second job at the same time and get paid for 80 hours of work while working 40. I have a few design engineers that report directly to me that work from home. I get a weekly report from IT on how many hours they are actually working. It shows time actually spent on the computer actually working, meeting times where they are engaged in on-line meetings, and "idle" time. I don't expect the number of working hours to equal 40 each week because I know that is unrealistic, but anything lower than 35-36 hours and I will definitely take notice. If someone had a 20 hour week, they would be terminated unless they had a damn good explanation.

And before someone gets on here and says something about me typing this out during work hours, I have been up working since 4 a.m. and my last meeting of the day ends at 5:30 p.m. so I am definitely putting in my time.

You sound like a dickhead. I bet everyone at your workplace hates you.

I'm a dickhead because I set my team's salaries based on 40 hours of work and I expect that type of effort? I reward my people well for doing good work and work with them on family issues that inevitably come up. I've had people follow me from different places to continue working with me.

If someone has the opportunity to work from home and takes that avenue, as a leader I have to have a way of monitoring their work. I can't go to their home and peek through their windows so monitoring their online presence is the best way. I'm sorry that you are such a dumb **** that you can't understand that. So please take this opportunity to suck my spotted dick you limey prick.

I can't believe the attitude from people nowadays that it's okay to work a 2nd job during the hours that you're being paid for your main job.

At my wife's work, there was an employee (not hers) that got caught with software on her work PC that made your MS Teams appear green all the time. This employee worked from home.
My wife's employee was good friends with this person. And her employee was not putting out the same amount of work as others or as what is expected. They had IT track it and they found this same software on her employee's PC. It was pretty obvious that this employee was working from home but not really working for large portions of the day. I believe she said that they took away the ability to work from home for this employee. And I don't think that lasted long before this employee quit.

If he were getting pissy with people who are working 38 hours or whatever, I might agree with you. I don't have an issue with using that to identify people who are truly slacking off, though.

Just open up an empty Zoom meeting.

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I don't know but I don't think they use Zoom. Or are you saying it would make MS Teams look like you're online all the time?

Either way, I won't be passing along that info. LMAO

Yeah, I agree with you. If your employer is expecting a certain amount of work and you agreed to that by signing documents when you started employment, you have no case.

Not sure about Teams, but I would guess it's the same way. You don't want your PC going to sleep while you're on a call, so Zoom at least perpetually triggers whatever mechanism your computer uses to tell that you're active.

That said, I'm sure being on 30 hours of meetings a week would raise some eyebrows as well. I've only done it when I need to run out for an errand during the day here and there (and I haven't gotten any impression that my employer logs that stuff anyway).

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"Work life balance!"

....take a nap!

LMAO

This is not a real solution, key stroke loggers will be your doom...

It just shows you as Busy in Teams.

I can’t say the thought hasn’t crossed my mind occasionally but I would never do it. I have a lot of downtime at work, but I’ve been with the same company since 94 and it’s taken me a lot of work and putting up with corporate bs to get where I’m at so it’s not worth it. I have looked at side gigs during off hours and even considered doing something like Uber,Grub Hub, etc. just for the heck of it, but dealing with customers during my free time doesn’t seem that appealing.

All the devices or software in the world won't prevent good management from rooting out bad employees. If you are a good employee and get your work done and done well then management knows it. If you are a bad employee and don't meet expectations, management should know that, as well.

Bro...just bro...A salary job is a salary job. It's not by the hour.

Don't give me that bullshit you pathetic corporate lackey who self identifies as a "leader". Your standard response on this forum to someone offending you is to unironically challenge them to a fight at arrowhead. Don't try and pull this crap about you being a wonderful, understanding boss. You're a grubby, snivelling bottomfeeder who has nothing better to do than spy on the unfortunate people who happen to work under you. You should only be concerned with how well they are doing their job and if their output is up to scratch. The fact that you seem to take pride in watching them like a voyeur hawk shows how shitty your and your workplaces attitude is.

Did you sign a non-compete clause? If you love your job reach out to them and see how they feel. Do it on the up and up and they will not feel threatened. They might even send work your way from other contacts that they have.

I don't believe he said anything about salary. I guess I assumed we were talking hourly. I used to work a salary job before my current job (dang, I'm just now realizing that was 26 years ago). Yeah, it sucked. I always ended up working 70-80 hours even though the expectation was to work 45 hours. I looked back at that and wished I had not taken the management position. I was making more as an assistant if you figure in overtime pay. I guess that's why my opinion of salary is mostly about corporate greed than anything. :mad:

No boss has time to look at activity of their team unless given a reason. Seeing you are inactive in Teams is a red flag. This takes care of but the key loggers have the real data of your activities.

It is still growing. It is a win-win for businesses. We will continue to see this area grow for the foreseeable future.

Yea I mean how dare people try to find a way to get ahead when they are being ****ed every which way they can be from employers, shocking.

Next thing he will be talking about is time theft.

Your work attire consists of bad idea jeans

It's amazing how a company will pay you basically 1% of the surplus value they get out of you and then you got ****ers bitching about time theft.

This is why we have no worker solidarity, this is why things are ****ed, half the workforce would rather shit on other workers than unify for better conditions for everyone.

FYP

Counterpoint: I'm highly productive and, while I don't necessarily work 40+ hours per week every week, I am definitely a lot closer to 40 than 20. I've been at my job at 3 years, gotten a promotion every year since I've been here, and am now being paid about 80% more than I was when I joined. Meanwhile, I have someone on my team who was hired a month after me and into the same role, and they haven't been promoted once. They seem fairly capable, but that little green dot in Slack sure is off a lot.

Obviously, I've been fortunate, but slacking off can have hidden costs as well.

It's a full-time job. If you are only "working" 20 hours per day, it's my job to make sure I give you more work to do. The only way I know to monitor that for somebody who is working from home is to use whatever tools I can to monitor their actual time working. As others have shown, it might be easy to appear that you are online working when you aren't, but I don't have another avenue available to me right now instead of taking away the work from home option, which I do not want to do. I have one engineer that works for me that lives in Belgium. I'm not going to ask him to move to the US.

Show me anyone with the exception of Clay when I was very drunk one night about 8 years ago who I challenged to a fight. You have me confused with someone else.

A boss monitoring their employee's work is not wrong. Again, I'm not hounding people if they don't show a full 40 hours of work and the work they have been assigned is done at a satisfactory level. I'm looking for the people only working a few hours a day and then if the work they have been assigned is getting done to my expectations, I will assign them more work. This is mostly engineering project work and as one project winds down the workload always decreases. Most people aren't going to voluntarily speak up stating they need more work so this method is a good way to monitor that.

Yep, all of these discussions come down to managing your career effectively.

I see posts in a couple places on reddit asking about working from a different company or things like OP, and the answer should be the same every time... manage your career.

Obviously, there's a lot of gray area.. people have shitty managers, they can't just quit their job tomorrow, etc.... yet, they don't often actually put in the work to even have a chance of good things happening and then bitch about it to anyone who will listen.

Generally speaking, there's often more work to be done if you're lacking work. Managers aren't universally scumbags and will work with employees on things like moonlighting, working remotely, etc. And if they don't... well, either weigh the risk of getting fired, find another primary job, or **** around and find out. :shrug:

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"Hey buddy, seen you only did 20 hours this week. Come find me at the Chiefs tailgate and explain to me where all those other hours went. I'mma give you a fistful of my leadership, pussy"

I messaged him but he never showed up

If you guys know of any remote jobs for my girlfriend let me know. She got laid off 4 months ago from a marketing specialist/ project management type of role and she can't even get an interview after trying for a month and a half. Not one interview after being successful in a previous 80k a year job. Im sure she would take 60k now if it had advancement opportunities of a job well done.

As it is I wont have any health insurance past March 31st. Ill have to make sure I talk shit and only get into fights until then.

Nowhere in that post did I challenge you to a fight. I simply gave you information for the opportunity to come and call me a pussy to me in person. I know since you are a limey prick from England that you are naturally a pussy and take everything said as a threat, but if you go back and look at that thread you started in on my without provocation.

How are you getting health insurance from your girlfriend?

And this is why people slack if I can do in 20 hours what it takes another 40, I am not going to bust my chops to do extra work, I'm not going to get extra pay for doing more than the guy next to me.

Maybe he went to the Harry Truman statue by mistake.

You are a weak ass bitch. Everyone knows that is what you meant when you offered to let him know where you would be if he wanted to call you that to your face.
If you or anyone else would tolerate that kind of behavior is either a pussy or afraid that they would get prosecuted and go to jail.
Either way, you are the one that is instigating this situation.

Not with that attitude.

It's genuinely embarrassing that you're trying to weasel out of something you said by saying that it didn't mean what it obviously meant. Its shit like this by the way which clearly makes you an awful "leader".

Yea I've done that shit, you know what it got me? More work for the same pay, this idea that if you bust ass and do more it'll get you places was great 30 years ago today it makes you a rube.

A lot of companies offer partner benefits these days.

As for everything else in this thread....I am retired as of this Friday so I am going to weigh in the from a Management perspective then.

There are a lot of assertions/generalized comments that are both real and just plain silly.

Nobody said anything about doing more than the guy next to you. This isn't people sitting at home putting ****ing Legos together. These are engineering projects and in particular new design projects for future new product launches. As these projects get more mature, some parts of the design fall into place easier and others get more complicated or run up against unforseen issues. At those times it is necessary to reallocate resources to the areas that need the help and pull resources away from the areas that are progressing well. To make those decisions, the manager really needs to understand everyone's actual bandwidth.

Truthfully, I feel like the type of workers doing this sort of project based work are much less likely to slack and tend to do what it takes to get the job done. I highly doubt that you really need to babysit for productivity on this sort of employee, as everything should come to light through status meetings, roadmaps, project schedules/slippages, etc. If someone is slacking, it will be painfully obvious.