Another top WR prospect working out with Mahomes today
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boston College WR Zay Flowers - Mel Kiper’s No. 10 overall prospect - is in Texas today to workout with Chiefs’ QB Patrick Mahomes at the request of the team, per source. Flowers believed his pre-draft process was over after visiting the Titans on Tuesday…until the Chiefs called…</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1648714933805170690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

NOW we're talkin

So this makes me think Johnston was also probably asked by the team.

Can teams do that?

I've never heard of a team requesting to have a draft prospect workout with their QB before the draft. You would think that the NFLPA wouldn't be a huge fan of that happening.

Does the NFLPA have anything to even say about players that aren't in the NFL?

I'm starting to get the feeling that the Chiefs are going to trade up for a WR like they did with McDuffie.

Probably a loophole in the process where the Chiefs say, "You never said we couldn't do this." Tests the waters and puts the ball in the NFLs court to make a decision of legality. I think it's brilliant, test the chemistry early, have Patrick find out who he thinks has the highest upside.

Not sure...that's why I asked. I'm guessing it's up to the prospect and his agent.

He's not in the union yet. They have no say in it.

I would wager Pat is asking them for the team. I love it.

Yep, these guys can work out with whoever they want on their own time. Clearly both of these guys (and their agents) see the dollar signs that could come long term being drafted to play with Mahomes under Reid.

Amazing that they're willing to do this kind of stuff. Never would have seen it in the dark times.

Yea this is 100% that these 2 guys are the WR's the Chiefs like and they're going to get Mahomes opinion.

Five bucks says this is a topic next offseason and isn't allowed anymore.

If they're keeping that ****ing rugby sneak then **** em.

It's a win-win for the players and their agents, too.

Either it means KC is going to give up resources to get them or another team is going to get spooked that KC has them on their radar and will take them earlier than planned to prevent that.

I think you're probably right.

Combine the Johnston and Flowers stuff with Taylor saying the Chiefs want a WR, and the fact that they have done nothing outside of adding depth (James and Watson), and it's starting to look like that's the position they're eyeing in round 1.

No bet

Dude...think of all of the penny slots if you win though.

Mixed thoughts on this. Seems like this would indicate WR in the first is a strong possibility however by doing this aren't you kind of showing your cards? Veach has been the best poker player in the draft

If this is the case you know BV already has a trade or trades set up.

I have said that since the first of the year, I expect a trade up for a WR in the first. With the draft in KC I believe that Clark wants to make a splash that gets talked about the next day.

They’ve been doing it forever. I recall a story years ago about Troy Aikman working out with LeFluer and fixing the Cowboys the thumbs up with either he or Gonzalez LOL.

Or it could be a screen. Bring in WRs to work out with Mahomes knowing that they probably won't be there at 31. It gives you an opportunity to have more info in case they fall...but it also hides your intention of drafting another player/position.

It also could be something as simple as seeing the style that Mahomes prefers as Johnston and Flowers are completely polar opposite style of receivers.

That's like......a shitload!

You're on! LMAO

They've only had a butt ton of guys in on visits, it's all wide open at this point.

He’s ruined for life now. He’s going to get drafted by a team with shit at QB and the guy will always be asking “what if”.

This has the feel of truth.

This actually does make sense, seems way too obvious. Maybe spooking other teams to trading up and taking these guys so someone else falls to them that they have their eye on.

Guess we'll see if a mysterious video of Zay Flowers in a gas mask appears before the draft.

Seems a little smokescreenie too.

If he yells out anything about a gas chamber you know what he's trying to do.

Remember that Veach like bargain WRs.

This visit isn’t for the draft, it’s research for the future when his draft team lets him go and the Chiefs scoop him up.

or they are feigning interest in a WR, so when they move up, it's for a Tackle instead which may help them jump some other teams...

I don't think the Chiefs would be doing this just for a smoke screen. They could just as easily leak that they love Flowers or Johnston.

I just think they want to go WR in round 1 and are doing their homework on all of the top 4-5 guys.

I'd take that action...it'd be too hard to enforce IMO

Are you talking about trading into the top 20 or trading up a couple of spots? Because I would bet money this team isn't trading into the top 20 for a RT.

It's interesting because if you buy into the news stuff, Johnston could be there, basically no one thinks Flowers will be. There are people that have Flowers as high as NE.

Broderick Jones is the only one I'd consider trading for and that would also take him falling.

Compare our treatment of Mahomes against Green Bay’s approach with Rodgers.

Veach & Reid clearly value his input and desire alignment with him.

I hope so. We don’t need any more Smurf wrs. Flowers is 5’9”? We need some wrs to play outside and be able to handle press coverage. The wr would have have to be absolutely electric for me to want a little guy. I’d rather have Gibbs and convert him to wr than take any of the small wrs in this class.

He's just barely under 5'10, he's Antonio Brown size. He also has a ton of film of him beating all sorts of coverage, using his moves, being awesome in the open field all while being the only guy on his team worth a shit.

Green Bay literally told Rodgers to go **** himself when he offered his input.

I've been thinking that for a while now.

There is no way Veach is depending on the current WR's on the roster without adding a high draft choice that they like.

Hence Dalton Kincaid/Darnell Washington could be there true target for a reciever

If this team drafts Darnell Washington I will shit on my tv screen.

Camp Mahomes is such an awesome cheat code.

Not just that, they're also committed to surrounding him with weapons. I know people got nervous about trading Tyreek and then the lack of WR moves so far this offseason, but they will never let things get like GB did.

Why, the kid's a stud.

You mean blowing a bunch of picks on defense while telling your QB his input isn't needed?

Someone said it in another thread, but I'll bet the NFL puts in rules against this kind of thing eventually.

It's an incredible leg up in scouting to see how a receiver can jive with your QB specifically. Right now we're doing it because nobody says we can't, so good for us.

But I'll bet the NFL puts in some really stupid pre-draft offseason crap soon. Like, team personnel can work together with college prospects provided representatives from other teams are there, therefore terming it a "private workout day" or some shit.

I hope they don't, because I don't see any other teams or QBs getting this kind of one-on-one with college WRs.

Mahomes is such an incredible guy, man.

He's really not, he's very very overrated because of his size.

Shows the hand a bit, but you can also use it as a ploy to manipulate the draft board to have receivers go ahead of your guy. Maybe we're interested in Hyatt instead but want other teams to jump the gun, "Mahomes wants to play with him? Lets trade up to get him before the Chiefs are on the clock!"

That's an interesting way around the 'top 30 visits' cutoff or whatever those rules are.

I guess having Mahomes people call Flowers people and set up an 'independent' workout operates just far enough outside the hard guidelines?

Flowers is going in front of the Chiefs anyway so what's the smokescreen there?

Except Schefter said it was at request of the team.

I don't know if I'd call this a "smokescreen"

Because it's not like you can run Broderick out there and learn anything it's pretty much only skill players that can toss the ol pigskin around.

They could go in a number of directions besides WR BUT if they do go WR they have an informed opinion about them

Eh - that doesn't make it a formal request. They may have asked PM to do it and it got facilitated through Steinberg or something.

I don't doubt that the Chiefs were the catalysts but I gotta believe they had to end run it somehow.

Imagine if Mahomes had thrown the ball around with DK Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, and Mecole before the 2019 draft.

Veach to Mahomes, " So what do you think?"

Mahomes, "This Mecole guy is fast but kind of has no idea how to run routes..."

Watch Addison be the Chiefs 1st round pick now.

Why not just call it a private workout but instead of a scrub QB throwing it’s the two time league MVP.

I could see the NFL restricting this to the team's onsite facilities for liability/risk management purposes.

Just another example of how the Chiefs are ahead of the curve and the best organization in the NFL.

Get ready for the NFL to get all butt hurt over Pat's offseason practices and put a stop to it.

DK would be a Chief



edit: also Pat should hold a secret, no phones no photos practice session where everyone puts on pads and helmets and then we really see what's what

That coaching staffs and front offices are the only ones that can meet with them, no player interaction before the draft. With their rules on tampering I could see them trying to stretch that blanket to fit over this too.

They have the ammo to go up and get Zay and still get a Jaelyn Duncan or someone at OT like that. DL is deeper so can address in rd. 3. They've been getting visits from Edge players that will be taken late in the draft so guessing they want depth behind George/Omenihu.

Tampering? You are talking about NFL players that are under contract. Not even remotely the same thing.

I’d take it.

Smokescreen, we're drafting Gibbs and we'll trade up to 24 right in front of Dallas to do it and Jerry can suck Andy's dick

You can't stop players from working out with each other. Especially if some of them aren't even officially in the NFL. Most they could do is tell a team they can't tell a QB to do that but that would be really hard to police.

I just hope im not somewhere in public if the Chiefs draft Zay Flowers, because i'll probably cum on myself.

Then his smoke screen is working well! ROFL

I know this isn't likely, but maybe this is a negotiation tactic for Arizona?

KC shows "we aren't desperate for DHop, we can easily fill our need by making a move in the draft". We don't need both, so it gives Arizona pause if they're playing hardball.

As far as this "smokescreen" stuff goes...ya'll seriously think other teams aren't aware of the Chiefs WR room?

Their biggest need is WR...that's a secret to NO ONE.

We don't have 18 mil to pay dehop and it would be dumb when we don't need a superstar WR. We have a superstar QB to solve all problems.

It’s odd that the highest ranked wr in the class has been avoided by the chiefs to this point.


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With the signing of Gabbert, I wondered if Buchel is up for trade.

We have a full room right now. We could actually not even draft a WR