Playoff wins as the measure of a QB
 

One of the best all-encompassing measures of a QB's greatness might be playoff wins. If you look at this stat against most lists of the greatest QBs of all time, (at least those of the Super Bowl era) it lines up pretty closely.

Only 11 QBs in history have more playoff wins than Patrick Mahomes, who already has 11 at age 27.

The list with more than Mahomes:
Brady - 35
Montana - 16
Manning, Young, Elway, Bradshaw - 14
Roethlisberger, Favre, Staubach - 13
Rodgers - 12

• Tom Brady has more than double what anyone else has, but at age 27 Brady only had 6 playoff wins.
  
• Joe Montana's 10th was the 1988 Super Bowl win over Cincinatti, he was 31 years old that day.
  
• Peyton Manning and John Elway both got their 10th at age 37. Brett Favre's 10th win came at age 32.

It already looks like a good bet that Mahomes will finish #2 all time in that measure. Everyone beyond 10 wins is a Hall of Famer or will be.

Patrick Mahomes is my favorite Quarterback and he plays for my favorite team... The Kansas City Chiefs....

ME TOO!

It's nice that he's moving up the list, but I really dislike the QB Wins stuff. KC has had
2 amazing team wins the last couple weeks featuring big time contributions from a bunch of guys across the roster. The same thing could be said for a million other games in the past featuring the all-time big name QB's.

Patrick Mahomes has never not played in the AFCCG while being the starter.

kind of the whole point of this post is that it CANT be said about a million QB's


theres only a few that have more than 10 playoff wins


thats pretty nuts actually

I didn't say it could be said about a million QB's. I said it applies to a million games in general. This is the ultimate team sport. It takes a lot of solid players around the QB to win any game. You could be one of the best QB's ever and still lose a ton of games if your defense is terrible. Dan Marino seems to fit into that category when it comes to playoff success.

I will begrudgingly say that Brady at 35 wins is just crazy.

That said, Patrick is tearing it up and I'm so amazed that I get to enjoy watching this.

Marino was a playoff choker.

Mahomes would NEVER go out 62-7.

Look at some of these stinkers.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gamelog/post/

77 career QB rating in the playoffs.

17-43? LMAO

It's amazing to think that more than 10 playoff wins basically makes you a hall of fame QB, and Brady won his first 10 playoff games in a row. He won 3 super bowls before he ever lost a playoff game.

the undisputed king of playoff QBs right here folks

highest winning percentage in postseason history among QBs with at least 10 starts

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...M0fBc&usqp=CAU

Should be Six AFC Championships if it wasn't for Alex Smiff

Mahomes era has about put the Chiefs into .500 record all time overall in playoffs.

Ton of help from the defense, especially those first two years when his passer rating was 77/158 and 84/158 for 6 games combined in two playoff runs. Got extremely lucky on that fumble in the snow against the Raiders as well, lol

The list of QBs in the HOF roughly from the Super Bowl era that don't have 10 playoff wins is:

Starr, Warner, Kelly - 9
Marino - 8
Griese, Stabler - 7
Tarkenton - 6
Dawson - 5
Fouts - 3
Moon - 3
Namath - 2

That's a list of good QBs, but I don't think anyone on this list should be mentioned in the same category of greatness as anyone on the list in the OP.

One surprising thing is Buffalo "only" had 9 playoff wins during Jim Kelly's career. You would think a team that went to 4 straight Super Bowls would end up with more than 9 playoff wins.

This is probably a little harsh on Jim Kelly, because he was injured for the first 2 playoff games in 1993 which the Bills won with Frank Reich at QB. You'd guess he would have 11 wins otherwise.

.. Not another TB thread, there will never be another football player as lucky as him again.

Tarkenton is another like that. Went to three in four years, yet only has six wins. Lost all three and never won a playoff game outside those years.

Tarkenton was a hell of a player. Fran had that magical scrambling ability. I like to think Mahomes is an evolved version of him.

He will have 11 wins by age 27,

And a taller one! First time I saw Mahomes play I thought of Tarkenton. Same ability to extend plays outside the pocket, but without the arm talent. Loved those Viking teams with the Eller/Page/Krause defense, the great Chuck Foreman at RB and of course Bud Grant in short sleeves in 20 degree weather.

And behind most of those QBs was an outstanding defense.

outstanding defense is not needed in todays NFL, also, now it's a landscape of pie without the cream

Wat?

What I like about playoff wins is that it doesn't measure talent, it measures accomplishment.

what* what?

When I was younger people said I looked like him. ROFL

Mahomes is going to cream pie the Eagles

To be fair to Marino, Mahomes has a QB rating of 60 across two Super Bowls.

It's a team sport.

This is an amazing stat and shows how great Mahomes has been in his short time so far in the NFL. But at the same time, it doesn't show how much better those stats could have been had he had good defenses. /shrug

The stats are just incredible for conference championship games, after removing "playoff teams" like the Steelers and Texans.

2/3rds of the way to Brady in touchdowns in only 1/3rd of the games, yet only on pace for ~6 picks to his 17.


https://i.imgur.com/A7nO7rZ.png

Needs to be in the HOF

Nah, there is a reason that basically the only QB's in the AFC to go to the SB were Brady, Roethlisberger, and Manning for a long time.

Its a QB driven league, period, now more than ever.

Joe Flacco is 10-5 in the playoffs. All those road wins. Yet he's not sniffing the HOF.

Mahomes has a chip on his shoulder since he struggled in both Super Bowls, outside of the 4th quarter against the 49ers.

Then again, even Tom Brady has critics. You can't satisfy everyone. There is no undisputed GOAT in just about any sport.

You also have to keep in mind that they were probably a top 2 seed every year so they weren't getting a full slate of games.

Of course, Mahomes hasn't ever played in a championship game on the road, so that says even more about Mahomes.

Why is Joe Montana listed as AFC? Is it because the last one he played was with the Chiefs? And shouldn’t his be spilt 6/1? IDK..

It's an imperfect measure that may be more kind than it should be to some (Flacco) and harsher than it should be on others (Kelly). But, all measures are imperfect measures.

I just found it remarkable that even with all the caveats, and even acknowledging that it takes the effort of a whole franchise to win a playoff game not just a QB, when it's all said and done the list still sorts more or less in the order of all-time greatness for a QB.

OP updated.

There are now only 10 QBs all-time with more playoff wins than Patrick Mahomes, who is 27.