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Direckshun 11-12-2020 09:14 AM

Mock (11/12)
 
Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs repeat as Super Bowl champions. HC Andy Reid and GM Brett Veach are retained.

2. OC Eric Bienemy is hired by your mom's favorite team, and the Chiefs earn a 3rd compensatory round pick in 2021 and 2022.

3. The 2021 salary cap remains he same roughly $200m it was in 2020.

4. OT Mitchell Schwartz retires.

5. The Chiefs extend OT Eric Fisher (4 years, $45m), S Tyrann Mathieu (4 years, $58m).

6. The Chiefs tender RB Darrel Williams, WR Byron Pringle, TE Deon Yelder, OG Andrew Wylie, ILB Ben Niemann, CB Charvarius Ward.

7. The Chiefs re-sign WR Demarcus Robinson (1 year, $3m), DE Taco Charlton (1 year, $2m), S Dan Sorensen (2 years, $8m).

8. The Chiefs re-sign to a minimal deals FB Anthony Sherman, WR Demarcus Robinson, WR Marcus Kemp, OL Mike Remmers, C Daniel Kilgore, CB Antonio Hamilton.

9. The Chiefs let walk QB Matt Moore, RB Le'Veon Bell, WR Sammy Watkins, WR Gehrig Deiter, TE Nick Keizer, TE Ricky Seals-Jones, OG Kelechi Osemele, OG Danny Isidora, OG Bryan Witzmann, C Austin Reiter, DT Mike Pennel, DT Braxton Hoyett, DE Alex Okafor, DE Tanoh Kpassagnon, OLB Damien Wilson, CB Bashaud Breeland, CB Alex Brown, S Tedric Thompson.

10. The Chiefs sign no notable free agents.

11. The Chiefs net two compensatory picks, a 4th (Fuller) and a 5th (Ogbah). They are picking 32nd.

The draft:

1. DE Jaysen Oweh, Penn State
2. OLB Jabril Cox, LSU
3. CB Chase Lucas, Arizona State
3 (Bienemy). WR Anthony Schwartz, Auburn
4. DT Glen Logan, LSU
4 (Fuller). OG Jack Anderson, Texas Tech
5. OLB Amen Ogbongbemiga, Oklahoma State
5 (Ogbah). TE Charlie Kolar, Iowa State
6. C James Patterson, Notre Dame

QB: Mahomes, Henne
RB: Edwards-Helaire, Williams, Williams, Thompson
FB: Sherman

WR: Hill, Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, Schwartz, Kemp
TE: Kelce, Yelder, Kolar

LT: Fisher, Remmers
LG: Allegretti, Wylie
C: Kilgore, Patterson
RG: Duvarney-Tardif, Rankin, Anderson
RT: Niang, Remmers, Durant

DE: Clark, Charlton
DT: Jones, Wharton
DT: Nnadi, Logan, Saunders
DE: Oweh, Danna,

OLB: Gay, O'Daniel
ILB: Hitchens, Niemann
OLB: Cox, Ogbongbemiga

CB: Sneed, Ward, Fenton, Lucas, Hamilton, Keyes
S: Mathieu, Thornhill, Sorensen, Watts

K: Butker
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester

Hoover 11-12-2020 11:18 AM

What in the ****?

I mean for the love of God, you have to draft some offensive linemen. Waiting until he end of the 4th is too risky.

OKchiefs 11-12-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15322393)
What in the ****?

I mean for the love of God, you have to draft some offensive linemen. Waiting until he end of the 4th is too risky.

I tend to agree. As much as I've bitched about cornerback recently, I think we can probably wait a bit to draft one. IMO we'll be fine losing Breeland, just need more depth. We need someone to compete from day 1 on the OL.

Also would prefer to go younger at safety over keeping Sorensen, but not the end of the world I suppose.

Direckshun 11-12-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15322393)
What in the ****?

I mean for the love of God, you have to draft some offensive linemen. Waiting until he end of the 4th is too risky.

The way I look at it, we could probably jump on OL early if a center we love is there.

Otherwise, we're pretty much set along the starting line everywhere but center.

LDT is our RG, no question. Fisher our LT. Allegretti should be in line to get another year at LG. A big question, of course, is how Niang is coming along. And Kilgore is serviceable.

The team loves Remmers' ability to play all 4 positions, and in this hypothetical, they bring him back. Durant is showing promising early returns at RT. And we know they like Wylie and Rankin.

I'm assuming right now that Niang is a good RT. If that's the case, we definitely need depth at guard and maybe a starting center.

Meanwhile, I disagree with you guys: I think we're starving at several positions: DE, CB, OLB, and probably WR with Watkins departing.

I'd like to see us bring Breeland and Watkins back but I don't think we can wave a magic wand with them two years in a row.

Hoover 11-12-2020 01:49 PM

LDT is our RG for 2021 then he's gone. There is no way I'd extend him or sign him to another contract. The draft I about the long term, and while I think you are wise in signing Fisher to an extension, there is nothing but uncertainty at the other four positions if Schwartz retires.

Left guard has been a turnstile. Center is nothing to write home about. Allegretti and Niang are still question marks. I think you have to look at offensive linemen high in the draft, I get not spending a 1st rounder on one, but you better be spending a 2nd or 3rd on the position.

The Chiefs are not spending much at all in the o-line, so we better be investing in it through the draft. Besides Fisher we have nothing invested. It would be wise to invest some draft capital to protect Mahomes and allow us to run the ball better between the tackles.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...2022/full-cap/

RunKC 11-12-2020 03:41 PM

Yeah. I think we’re drafting an OL early. The IOL is made up of JAG’s and our OT’s are starting to get long in the tooth.

Tribal Warfare 11-12-2020 07:25 PM

Add a power RB like Spencer Brown to compete with Darrel Williams and Thompson

gonefishin53 11-13-2020 09:32 AM

OC Josh Myers, Ohio St., with our 1st round pick would solidify the interior OL immensely, imo.

Dante84 11-13-2020 10:55 AM

Wait - why would Schwartz retire? Is his back that ****ed up?

Direckshun 11-13-2020 11:16 AM

I completely understand everybody's reticence to wait in the draft to go OL.

But what position are you willing to shortchange in order to do it?

We have no top tier passrush on the edge outside of Clark. We have no real talent at LB unless Gay develops (which I assume he will), and our CB corps will take a step back if/when Breeland moves on.

At the same time, I'm not sure we can retain Watkins and that leaves us Hardman as the #2.

gonefishin53 11-13-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15324302)
I completely understand everybody's reticence to wait in the draft to go OL.

But what position are you willing to shortchange in order to do it?

We have no top tier passrush on the edge outside of Clark. We have no real talent at LB unless Gay develops (which I assume he will), and our CB corps will take a step back if/when Breeland moves on.

At the same time, I'm not sure we can retain Watkins and that leaves us Hardman as the #2.

Protecting Mahomes is critical to the teams success. The Chief's have not used draft capitol to replace Mitch Morse as they did replacing Rodney Hudson and it shows. Josh Myers, Ohio St. OC, with the Chief's first pick would solidify the Chief's interior OL, imo.

OKchiefs 11-13-2020 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15324302)
I completely understand everybody's reticence to wait in the draft to go OL.

But what position are you willing to shortchange in order to do it?

We have no top tier passrush on the edge outside of Clark. We have no real talent at LB unless Gay develops (which I assume he will), and our CB corps will take a step back if/when Breeland moves on.

At the same time, I'm not sure we can retain Watkins and that leaves us Hardman as the #2.

Why would our cornerback group take a step back? We have Ward, Fenton, Sneed, and Keyes. We did fine the first month without him. If anything I'd suggest they sign a veteran to an affordable deal and maybe use another 4th at cornerback for competition.

Direckshun 11-13-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15324432)
Why would our cornerback group take a step back? We have Ward, Fenton, Sneed, and Keyes. We did fine the first month without him. If anything I'd suggest they sign a veteran to an affordable deal and maybe use another 4th at cornerback for competition.

I really like Sneed and I think Fenton is a gamer.

We got away with murder having Ward as a starter in the playoffs last year, though, and early returns this year are that he's regressed a bit.

The coaching staff knows best, and I defer to them. I'm just reading the tea leaves.

DaneMcCloud 11-13-2020 03:01 PM

$5 million for Robinson?

Re-signing Remmers? LMAO

It also appears that you've cut most of the offensive lineman and defensive lineman. How are the Chiefs going to field a defensive line next year with "no notable signing"?

The Chiefs would win around 7 games with this "plan".

LMAO

Hog's Gone Fishin 11-13-2020 04:36 PM

Love this draft! But we gotta keep our DL intact.

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R Clark 11-13-2020 04:39 PM

I don’t think they give Sorensen that much money for two yrs.

RunKC 11-14-2020 12:55 PM

Saw a mock from Matt Miller with the TE from Penn St going to us.

Man I would love that. We can’t keep Sammy next year unless he takes away less. That guy would be a replacement for Kelce at the end of his rookie contract and can make this offense even more impossible to stop.

DaneMcCloud 11-14-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15326036)
Saw a mock from Matt Miller with the TE from Penn St going to us.

Man I would love that. We can’t keep Sammy next year unless he takes away less. That guy would be a replacement for Kelce at the end of his rookie contract and can make this offense even more impossible to stop.

Sammy Watkins isn’t earning his incentives this year and will most likely earn $8 million dollars for about 8 regular season games.

I can’t see any team offering him much next year, so it’s possible he’ll stick around on another greatly reduced contract.

I also think the Chiefs have much bigger needs than spending their #1 on a TE who’s likely to have less than 30 catches per the next few seasons.

Chief Roundup 11-14-2020 04:45 PM

What exactly you doing with Mathieu? He is signed through 2021. You converting his base salary, $14,550,000 into a signing bonus type of thing since he is carrying a $19.7 Million cap number for 2021?

Cosmos 11-14-2020 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 15324302)
I completely understand everybody's reticence to wait in the draft to go OL.

But what position are you willing to shortchange in order to do it?

We have no top tier passrush on the edge outside of Clark. We have no real talent at LB unless Gay develops (which I assume he will), and our CB corps will take a step back if/when Breeland moves on.

At the same time, I'm not sure we can retain Watkins and that leaves us Hardman as the #2.

I think you sacrifice wherever you need to, in order to get some talent on the OL.

Patrick has made this line look better than what it is, and our G/C talent is well below league average. The inside run blocking is terrible and LDT was average BEFORE he shut it down and Reiter/Wylie are average at best .

I’m sure we will be picking some high end OL in the first 2-3 rounds...have to.

RealSNR 11-15-2020 03:20 PM

The Chiefs frequently take fans' perceived team needs and tell them to go shove it when it comes to the first round of the draft.

I would be not at all surprised to see a draft like this where we pick at the edges of the later rounds to find some interior OL guy and then call it good.

The Chiefs do it all the time. Sometimes out of necessity (nobody good available at the position). Other times because they like other players. And often it's because they trust the players they have in-house, even if fans don't see it that way.

Sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they're right. Other times it's a wash, and while they don't improve at a team need, they also don't really get any worse.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15327569)
The Chiefs frequently take fans' perceived team needs and tell them to go shove it when it comes to the first round of the draft.

I would be not at all surprised to see a draft like this where we pick at the edges of the later rounds to find some interior OL guy and then call it good.

The Chiefs do it all the time. Sometimes out of necessity (nobody good available at the position). Other times because they like other players. And often it's because they trust the players they have in-house, even if fans don't see it that way.

Sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they're right. Other times it's a wash, and while they don't improve at a team need, they also don't really get any worse.

Yep. Wouldn't at all be surprised to see them do virtually nothing in the draft for the OL. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth but this team trusts it's draft process.

OKchiefs 11-16-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15329422)
Yep. Wouldn't at all be surprised to see them do virtually nothing in the draft for the OL. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth but this team trusts it's draft process.

I wouldn't say I'd exactly be surprised, nothing would surprise me short of a kicker or QB in the 1st, but I don't see any way one of their first 3-4 picks isn't on the OL.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2020 02:50 PM

The Chiefs will have a minimum of 9 draft picks in 2021, unless Veach uses some of the Comp Picks to move around.

But if he keeps all 9, I think he's likely to address at least one spot on the O-line if not two, because most likely, they won't have any cap room in order to sign veterans for more than Vet Minimum.

RunKC 11-16-2020 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 15326232)
Sammy Watkins isn’t earning his incentives this year and will most likely earn $8 million dollars for about 8 regular season games.

I can’t see any team offering him much next year, so it’s possible he’ll stick around on another greatly reduced contract.

I also think the Chiefs have much bigger needs than spending their #1 on a TE who’s likely to have less than 30 catches per the next few seasons.

It’s possible but I’ve heard multiple key analysts like Jay Glazer mention how the cap will likely drop from Covid. I know they can maneuver some things but Sammy even making $10 million is a lot considering Pat is making $20 million more.

They probably also want to keep some guys they like like Dirty Dan.

With the wide range of picks I think we might see Veach go all offense early. The amount of picks could help him move up in the middle of the draft for a guy he has his eye on (Snead was that guy last Spring). Drafting plus players recently that can start like Thornhill, Fenton, Snead, Gay, Wharton and Danna sure help as well. Veach has a ton of flexibility.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2020 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15329848)
It’s possible but I’ve heard multiple key analysts like Jay Glazer mention how the cap will likely drop from Covid. I know they can maneuver some things but Sammy even making $10 million is a lot considering Pat is making $20 million more.

They probably also want to keep some guys they like like Dirty Dan.

Some of the articles and blurbs I've read recently say that the cap will most likely be stagnant in 2021, meaning it'll be right around $200 million.

The expanded playoffs are a big reason why, especially if they go with their contingency plan of 8 playoff teams per conference.

In terms of players, there's no way I'd give Sammy Watkins a $10 million dollar deal because he can't stay healthy. $4 million would be my top offer but I think a $2 million dollar base with incentives to reach $4-5 million is probably more likely for him.

The days of a $10+ million base salary for him seem to be over, especially since he'll be 28 years old in 2021 and will have started only 25 regular season games out of 41 and counting...

RealSNR 11-16-2020 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15329579)
I wouldn't say I'd exactly be surprised, nothing would surprise me short of a kicker or QB in the 1st, but I don't see any way one of their first 3-4 picks isn't on the OL.


How long have you been following this team?

It’s not only possible, I’d say it’s even probable

OKchiefs 11-19-2020 12:22 PM

With Schwartz's back issues, I think a high pick on the OL becomes even more probable. Sure we have Niang, but if I'm the Chiefs FO I'm probably not putting all my eggs in one basket with him.

kccrow 11-19-2020 06:24 PM

If Jalen Mayfield is there at the end of the 1st, then I'd have to take him to replace Schwartz. Other than that, I think there will be alot of interior talent in the 3rd-5th.


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