Forget Peterson and Ramsey
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> source says the team isn’t interested in <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaguars?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jaguars</a> CB <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> now that he wants a trade. Source says the team’s locker room “is too good right now.” The team did ask <a href="https://twitter.com/AZCardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AZCardinals</a> about CB Patrick Peterson earlier this year and was “emphatically told no.”</p>&mdash; Jeffri Chadiha (@jeffrichadiha) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status/1173945058208419842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gotta think this changes by the trade deadline. ARZ is stupid to keep PP

Not sure how much I buy into what he's saying, that's like saying well because Pittsburgh wanted to give up a top 10 pick for Minkah we aren't doing anything.

Weaksauce

I’ll trust the people in charge.

****!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Jeff Chadiha...the beacon of Chiefs news.

I don't buy it for a second...

Neat.

Yeah, this isn’t good.

Patriots are totally cool bringing in AB but we won’t bring in ramsey because our locker room is “too good”...****ing stupid.

Hope it’s BS.

I'd rather wait for Rap or Shef to confirm before writing this off tbh.

Yea that tweet is nowhere to be found on his timeline.

No way they're not interested and especially for that reason. I'd believe if he said that the price would be too high but not because "the locker room is too good right now"

I just looked now and saw it

Click tweets and replies, it's there. It is weird how he hasn't tweeted for weeks and then suddenly this.

He's on 810 this morning, well that's nice ya'll just piss in everyone's cereal to start the day.

Go to tweets and reply

Damn....guess I'll actually have to get some work done now. What a Debbie-downer.

Could also be posturing thru the media from Veach trying to get the price down.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Weird...last night on 610 he made it seem like the Chiefs would be right in it.

Chadiha is coming up on 810 in studio, that is literally a timed tweet for his appearance.

To me, this reads as posturing, but it could be wishful thinking on my part.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will add that Ramsey is an amazing player who is entering his prime. I will be VERY interested to see what the Jags get for him, because the value for a 24-year old Pro Bowl CB SHOULD be two first-round picks, at minimum ... unless there&#39;s concerns about his locker room fit.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173951335718428672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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2 1sts and a huge cap hit. I would only use that on a QB.

Insanity.

Wow, Hard pass....

Jaguars may have put the info out that the Chiefs were interested with an amazing offer to try to coerce other teams into outbidding.

Of course, 2 Chiefs 1sts is damn near 2 2nds....

Chadiha is friends with Veach if I remember correctly. Both him and Riddick are tied in.

No lol that twitter person made that shit up stop listening to people on twitter without the blue check mark

Meanwhile Howard in Miami responded to the Fitzpatrick trade like this...

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I've seen plenty of legit insider info from people without a "blue check mark". That might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Yeah cause that person had 100 followers yup they have real info lol

Quit acting like you’re some twitter guru just because you know how to copy and paste.

Not acting lol someone that has a 100 followers is most likely lying

I’m not really buying any of the rumors right now one minute we’re in then we’re out. We have an obvious need an obvious “soft window” with Mahomes on a rookie deal.

As much as I like Ramsey, it just doesn't make sense.

You're talking 2 first rounders and a massive deal. Probably wise to let someone else do that if you're plan is to keep Chris Jones.

I could make the argument finding a top of the line CB is much harder than finding DL in todays game.

I get the Ramsey deal may not make sense financially, but is there any verification they fully intend on keeping Jones and signing him to a massive deal? If he somehow matches last year's production, that's a huge contract we'd end up giving for another defensive linemen when our overall depth at CB, especially after this year, is almost nonexistent. I almost feel like they intend on franchising Jones and using him as trade bait, sort of like Seattle did with Clark.

Then I'd counter that top of the line Cb isn't as necessary because of the rules of the league and you can't really be that aggressive back there anymore.

So having a DL that can be dominant against the pass always takes precedence

I would also argue that a good Cb is just flat out more valuable than a good Dl

If that's what they wanna do, sure.

But Terez seems to insinuate they wanna pay Jones.

Not when your main competition to get to a Super Bowl completely and utterly neutralizes your pass rush.

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

How dominant can you be when everyone's scheme is to throw the ball in 2 seconds?

Look at how NE is built, there is some argument that building back to front is smarter for today's rules and schemes.

Ya NE has like 0 names at all on their DL and are absolutely dominant

It's not one or the other with NE. You build the back end up, they're gonna mash you with the run. Vice versa etc etc.

It'll take a good overall defense everywhere to beat them. Cover and make Brady hold onto it and stop the run.

Look at me being all reserved about trading our picks. I'm proud of myself.

Basically you need a front that is gap sound and can defend the run. You pay money to the back end and hope that on big plays they can cover long enough to let the pressure get there but for the 80% of the time everyone is throwing in 2 seconds they get the job done because those plays really don't matter to the DL.

I'm coming around to this belief, I'm fine with having 1 guy on the DL that is high end but I think building front to back and the DL hiding the secondary isn't true anymore with how everyone plays.

When teams are shotgun spread and throwing the ball in 2 seconds your DL does not matter.

I can build a front of gap sound solid players that probably cost less than Frank Clark by himself.

yip!

PP2KC4EVR!

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

They have one in Gilmore....they have an elite secondary.

They've built back to front and keep winning Super Bowls so you tell me....

They already got one......

If it were just our single first that would get it done, maybe.

But 2 and a contract? Nah.

They don't have a dominant pass rushing DL, they just have an all around good defense that's built well.

I'd take Ramsey over Jones if I had to pick, I think I can find another productive DT over finding a high level CB.

In reality I don't think they'll get 2 1's.

I think if we offered a 1 and a conditional 3 for the next year they'd probably do that.

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

That isn't a good comparison, Ramsey is a far better player and he's on a team where the offense is driving him nuts because the defense is carrying that team and nothing changes.

The fact that in that coach argument 2 players jumped up to back the coach off says that isn't all Ramsey.

Our issue is that offering a 1st rounder doesn't provide much in value. This is the case when you are slated to be at or near the bottom of the 1st round. Makes it much more difficult to compete with other teams who have more valuable draft capital, and means we likely have to offer additional picks just to provide equal compensation. Teams like Oakland, for instance, can be major players in the Ramsey sweepstakes because they suck and because they have a lot more capital to play with.

If the Chiefs had Marcus Peters right now they'd be more likely to beat NE.

Also-
I think y'all are freaking out a little too hard on how great the Patriots are right now. They beat the shittiest Steelers team in decades and walloped a team that is literally purposely tanking.

They're the champs until they're not, and I'm certain they'll be good and I'm sure we're going to have to beat them in the play-offs, but I don't think they're better than we are right now.

I disagree.

**** Veach

Chadiha generally likes the Chiefs. He's one of the better ones on espn. Terez is carefully about saying things. If he says we're in or out as opposed to saying he knows nothing, I'd trust it.

I'm OK with the draft haul we gave up for frank Clark. But I'm generally not a fan of giving up first rounders let alone for a rental.

Personally, I think the smartest thing they could do is make the deal. Sign Ramsey long term, tag and trade Jones to recoup value.

I can replace a DT much easier than finding an elite level CB.

I agree. It wasn't really the passing game that beat us last year, it was the ability to run the ball down our throats. We, with PMII and our WR corps, can hang with the passing game.

I could not disagree more.

You keep saying this, I don't think it's the case.

You can find an elite DT without a first round pick? Pretty tough, especially a team that hasn't shown it's really able to ID DL in the draft.

Chris Jones went in the 2nd lol....

It was both. We couldn't stop them doing either really.

Sure.

So did Breeland Speaks, and Kpass, and their most recent 3rd round DL who isn't even active on gameday.....

so lightning struck once, and that means it's easy to do?

Why not just draft QB's in the 6th round since that's where Tom Brady went?

That's dumb.

Oh and we'd have them both right now and frankly I'd sell my nut for a superbowl.

I'm worried about today but going forward a defense built around Frank Clark with other solid lineman and Ramsey on the back end doesn't seem bad.

There are many more good/productive DTs than there are high level CBs in todays game.

The guy doesn't have to be Chris Jones to be a good player. I'm saying the odds are I can find a good productive DT that does his job than it is I can just pull an elite CB.

So did Kris Wilson
And Eddie Freeman
And...

Yes bring up Dick Vermeils drafting.

Well neglecting the CB and putting a ton of resources into the DL has netted us exactly ZERO SBs or AFC titles so let's keep doing that.....

Smart.

Ramsey's a douchebag. And eff him for that cheap shot on Hill. If the Chiefs don't want him, I'm in full support. Especially if it means giving up two first round picks. Screw that bullshit.

Personally, I think we'll be pretty solid with Claiborne/Breeland/Fuller.

This.

To beat the Patriots, you must have a good scheme, and you must play disciplined assignment sound football.

You can't have freelancers, and you can't have guys running around not knowing what they're doing.

We had both last year, and that's why we got beat. Actually, even with all of that, and the Berry nonsense, we still were four inches from beating them.

Honey Badger>Hobo Berry.
Clark, Ogbah, Okafor>Ford and Houston in terms of being complete players. Breeland, Fuller, Claiborne, Thornhill>than last season's secondary too.
Wilson, Hitchens, Lee> Ragland, Hitchens.
Spags and this staff> better than Grandpa Sutton and the mild bunch.

I think we'll be markedly better by late in the season defensively, and I think we're better offensively.