Should the Chiefs look at S Minkah Fitzpatrick as a CB?
 

So I've come around to the idea that we might need to address the CB situation sooner rather than later.

In that vein, I was wondering what we think of S Minkah Fitzpatrick of the Miami Dolphins.

6' 1" 200 lbs.

2018 stats
80 tackles
9 pass defended
2 INTs

I know, he's listed as a safety. But last year, out of 1,000 snaps played, he actually played over the slot and on the boundary in nearly 700 snaps. And when he was targeted, he allowed just a 51% completion rate, and a QB rating of only 49%. Okay, 49.7%.

And while he's still got 3 years to go on his contract, he looks cheap, at about 3-4 million/year.

Maybe a solid possibility?

YOU HAVE A MINKEY?

Guys on arrowhead pride and locked on chiefs podcasts have both been pushing pretty hard for it since Sunday's game. They seem to think that there's no chance that Xavien Howard is going anywhere, but that Fitzpatric has possibly fallen out of favor there and might be available.

Looks pretty good in this highlight video:
https://youtu.be/Xl828xrQNqU

We need a corner that can play outside more. Fuller is locked into the slot, and while you need more than one I'd like someone that can shut down that threat.

Not gonna lie - I glanced at the title of the thread and figured this was another Cooper_Ubeja thread.

Fixed

Thanks. The random Player? Threads are generally a joke.

No thanks, we’re not mediocre anymore.

Yeah, I didn't really think about it at first. Heck, this is probably only the 5th or 6th thread I've started on here. I just figured everyone knew who Minkah was. But you were right; I need to write titles to threads as if I used to be a magazine editor.

I was thinking about this earlier. If he has fallen really out of favor and they’d let him go this seems like a classic Veach move to buy low on a high draft pick. They recently got rid of Kiko alonso too. Idk much about the Dolphins, but if they need LB help now I wonder if Ragland could be involved in talks? That’d explain the healthy scratch on Sunday.

Then what is Ward's excuse?

Our corners definitely are mediocre that’s why veach has said he’s looking around lol

He sounds like a plush tiger. So cute, so cuddly. Is he a sweetheart?

The mods should lock all trade threads

@mortreport: The Dolphins have granted permission to DB Minkah Fitzpatrick to seek a trade, according to multiple sources who say Miami's asking price is too high. Dolphins have no comment. Story coming with help from @CameronWolfe

Dolphins just granted him permission to seek a trade

Why would Miami keep Flores after this year? He’s killing that team.

Not sure Minkah is what the Chiefs need. A true corner is in order, not a slot corner/FS type...

Highlights are mostly great tackles on run plays with a couple PBU’s.

Talented player, but if we are going all in on someone, I want it to be a great investment in the passing game.

Yes please. And thank you.

Why do we need another Thornhill?

Fitzpatrick is not being used correctly, he was unhappy with his position before the team decided to tank.

If the Chiefs feel he would be an upgrade, Im in.

I feel like he moves around too much as a DB, I am sure it's frustrating. If they kept him in one spot he could either bulk up or slim down to be more effective.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins made Minkah learn six positions this off-season, including two LB spots. This was so simple: He was best slot CB in league last year. Play him there and some boundary. Coaching staff couldn&#39;t do the obvious, and now their 2018 first rounder wants to leave</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1172355912327147521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wrong question.

Why do we need a 22 year old DB who has proven he can play any position in the secondary at an extremely high level, having been nominated for Def Rookie of the Year, while also having a very affordable rookie contract?

Dolphins DB Minkah Fitzpatrick was granted permission to seek a trade.

It's hardly shocking Miami's 2018 first-rounder sought a way out after playing six different positions this offseason, weak side and strong side linebacker included. Fitzpatrick allowed an airtight 53.4 passer rating in the slot last year but stayed jostling from corner to the front-seven in Miami's season opener as the new regime continued toying with alignments and personnel. A former Thorpe Award recipient as the nation's top defensive back at Alabama, there will be a number of suitors bending over backwards to take on Fitzpatrick's remaining $13.45 million for the next three seasons.
Source: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter
Sep 12, 2019, 11:52 PM ET


Read this to help understand his frustration. I would be all over this guy if I were Veach.

Stats: Fitzpatrick was the 11th overall pick in the draft last year and would presumably still be highly regarded across the league. He played in all 16 games for Miami last season with 11 starts. He racked up 80 tackles with two interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown, and had nine passes defended.

All that while being moved around the defense, the more I look the more I like!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source says Phins asking for a 1st for M Fitzpatrick but will likely settle for a 2nd.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1172371694960308227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mods this trade rumor shit is getting out of hand. Lock these threads plz.

Hmm. If we did Minkah (49ers 2nd) and Peterson (our late 1st), that would be a pretty all-in move.
CB:
Peterson
Fuller
Breeland
Claiborne
Ward

S:
Honeybadger
Thornhill
Fitzpatrick
Watts
Sorensen

Would be a cheap replacement for Fuller next year, but not that cheap based on how high he was drafted. Definitely not worth our 2nd.

There is absolutely no reason to sacrifice a 2nd rounder for a 3rd safety.

I was saying during draft season, I was saying it during free agency after we picked up Mathieu, and I'll say it now:

We are set at safety. Our depth chart there is very good.

We desperately need corners. And adding Peterson would give us the CB corps we need, moving Ward to 5th corner, and Breeland and Fuller to #2 and #3.

What if you couldn't get PP, Howard or Ramsey.

Would you give up a third for Bouye?

I don't know him too well, so no comment.

Second-team all-pro in 2017.

7th best corner going into 2019 via PFF.

Extremely high level? I think you've got him confused for Derwin James, m8.

At any rate, a second year player that has no clout has no room to be requesting shit. Suck it up and do what your coaches ask.

Do it Veach. A 2nd for this kid is peanuts. Also, being the 11th pick means his 5th year option isn’t as expensive.

Put him at corner and keep him there.

I wonder if we could offer a 1 and 2 for Howard and Minkah.

On a team that’s tanking? Nah, we disagree here. This kid has the skill set to play outside or inside corner and has safety versatility. That’s huge in a long season.

Getting him for the next 4 years (counting option year) for rookie wages would be a very smart move.

Don't agree. The kid was drafted to a swiss army knife and when the Dolphins finally asked him to be one, he got pissed.

Tanking or not, the Dolphins made a huge commitment to him a year ago and passed up an elite talent for him. I'm pro player to a fault, but sometimes the player is in the wrong. Never gave the dude that helped coach a top tier passing D a chance.

That's not the attitude we need to install on this Defense. This team needs a proven outside cover corner, so I don't even know why this is a serious discussion.

“he actually played over the slot and on the boundary in nearly 700 snaps. And when he was targeted, he allowed just a 51% completion rate, and a QB rating of only 49%. Okay, 49.7%.”

That’s pretty good for Rambo.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-top-10-...rating-in-2018

Top ten corners in terms of lowest passer rating allowed.

Minkah was 7th in the NFL and first in the slot, last year.

Xavien Howard was 3rd.

I’d be interested in giving up next years 1 and 2 for the pair of em.

I'm in. Pull the trigger.

If you think you can get quality play from Fuller on the outside or even Fitzpatrick out there then yea it's worth it because he's cheap.

From this article, it appears they want a 1st and more.

It also says several teams and the agent have talked.

I would assume if we are looking to upgrade the CB position, we would be one of those teams.

I would give a second rounder

This

We are trying to win the SB. Not a year from now, not after breakfast, NOW! Veach sat on his ass last year at CB and we need another now. Get every swinging dick in here and let's go. We gave up 12 straight completions to who? Who was the Jax back up?

Because that's exactly what the owner told him to do...

Pretty much this, and he"s done it for TWO years. As it relates to this year though, I really think they would have went CB early in the draft, had it not been for that awesome reporting by Mac & Chease and Channel 5, right before the draft.:shake:

bro

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...114-story.html

https://i.imgur.com/TeEathI.jpg

You have to consider him for a second. You then have your fuller replacement on a rookie deal for 2 plus the 5th year option. The chiefs need a outside corner obviously so I understand not doing it but you could have fitz and resign breeland and target another corner in FA or trade.

Man if you like his projection as an outside CB long term this is a deal to make. He’s so cheap and young.

Dont you all yell at o.city for trying to trade away all our picks for players? Seems like pretty much everyone is willing to trade all picks, just for different people.

But if he and PP cost the same in a trade, what do you do?

PP is a sure thing but more expensive for the cap.

Agreed. Trades never even happen. These are such clutter

Honey Badger and Thornhill play literally everywhere. That’s a characteristic of Spags DB’s.

If you can get this guy for a 2nd rd pick with 4 more years of control on a rookie contract, you gotta go for that.

That is incredible value.

You take Fitzpatrick.

Fits the schematic flexibility, can play anywhere, and is cheap and under control for four more seasons.

It allows you to let Fuller walk, and then in a couple seasons Honey Badger too.

We're going to be picking at the end of each round. IF you're going to give up picks, this is the type of player you do it for, not guys that are nearing the end of their prime.

They want a reported 1st for Fitzpatrick. Howard is not available and even if he was, he’d be worth even more. Patrick Peterson isn’t available. People need to come to terms with the fact that this group they have now is it for 2019. We are one game into the season with a completely new defense - players AND coaches. We waited 35 years for Patrick Mahomes. Be freaking patient.

Yeah I’d move a 2nd for him

Have him for 4 years for cheap and he’s a good player very versatile

If they get this guy for a second I'll shit my pants. Its gonna be a first to start negotiations.

I’d trade a 1st for Fitzpatrick or Peterson even

We’re going to be picking 30-32 odds are, who cares about the pick. We want a Lombardi.

I wouldn’t trade a first but I’d do a 2nd

Especially if you can recoup it after the season

I think in general, you seriously consider any move that adds good young contractually controlled talent.

The reality is that we're going to be picking near the end of every round for the forseeable future. One way in which we can re-stock quality talent is in trades for guys like Fitzpatrick. He's a better player than anyone we're going to get at say, pick #64.

In terms of long-term cap health, moves like this are a good idea for a team that's going to be competitive for the long haul; and if you've got Patrick Mahomes, we should be in the hunt every year.

Whether they fit a glaring immediate hole or not, you seriously consider a move like this.

Apparently his best role (at least last year) is slot QB. So you bounce Fuller outside (where he graded out well last year), let him walk in 2020, and hopefully get a 2021 3rd compensatory pick.

https://deadspin.com/minkah-fitzpatr...ami-1838091409

why should we be worried about our secondary?

i mean cmon guys we held the great Gardner Minshew to only 275 yrds and 2 TDS and a mere 88% completion ratio. .
and he only averaged 11 yrds per throw . .


Mahomes:
75.8% 378yrds 11.5 per throw 3TDS

https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/w...M-1024x731.png

Why not?

He’s a potential top notch corner. Odds are we never get that at 30-32.

Plus he helps this year immensely I’d say.

If he can be a top notch outside corner, maybe

I dunno if he can be

Considering we are a year removed from him being a top 15 pick and performing well as a rookie, it's not a bad idea.

They didn’t free up all that cap space to sit on it. They’re going to make a move.

And Albright said they would probably settle for a 2nd.

If he can be a net positive for the defense you absolutely make the trade, especially considering the control you would have over him and that contract.

If you’re the fins and shopping M. Fitzpatrick, would you take Ragland and our second 2nd rounder?

well, I would argue that the #32 pick and the #50ish pick...isn't really all that different in terms of talent. If Spagnuolo likes the kid and thinks he fits, make the deal. If he does, it allows you future cap flexibility in a couple of spots (Fuller/HB) and adds young talent.

I wouldn't think of him as a 3rd safety. I think positional flexibility is the idea here in this scheme. Think of him as a hybrid defensive back and probably like the second or third best player in the secondary.

Fitzpatrick makes the most sense from the perspective of wanting to pay Mahomes and Jones soon. That’s harder if you go with PP.

Idk I think it’s a Veach move all day long.

I'd probably do it for the 2, we have basically nothing under contract next year back there and if we got a guy at the back of the 2nd that could do what Fitzpatrick does at his level we'd all be going nuts about how we stole him.

this would be such a great trade for us regardless what pick we give up. Him and Thornhill both are interchangeable you could do so many different looks with the safeties we have and bringing this guy in

I think so too. Our all-world QB is 24 years old. We're going to be in this SB hunt every season for the next decade plus if we play our cards right.

**** winning one ****ing SB, I want SEVEN. However many ends up being one more than the Bradys.

The way you do that is not high priced free agents. It's cheap, controllable talent.

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

I agree, and creating confusion with multiple looks is a big part of this scheme I think. We're not seeing it yet, but by all accounts that's the plan.