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KChiefs1 06-22-2019 10:49 AM

Chiefs 53 Man Roster Prediction
 
https://theathletic.com/1040647/2019...mains-unclear/

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Before Andy Reid began his vacation in California this week, Kansas City Chiefs head coach made an amusing yet literal request to his players: Please don’t report to training camp next month on crutches.

The Chiefs finished their offseason program last week without any significant injuries. Reid has enjoyed tinkering with his offensive playbook and watching his new defense, led by new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. The biggest hope for Reid is that none of his players need crutches or have to removed from the practice field on a cart during camp, which begins July 24 at Missouri Western State University in St. Joseph, Mo.

The projected roster below assumes player is healthy and in top shape. An NFL season, however, is loaded with variables and the unexpected. In order to reach the Super Bowl, the Chiefs will need contributions from veteran backups and production from young, unproven players. The Chiefs were the biggest surprise of last year, as quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the NFL’s reigning MVP, led the team to the AFC Championship game. Reid wants his reconstructed defense to be another surprise this season.

After 12 practices, six of which were open to reporters, the Chiefs do appear to be a more balanced team. Reid and general manager Brett Veach will have difficult decisions to make at various positions, including wide receiver, linebacker and along the defensive line.

The three minicamp practices last week gave reporters the best indication of what the Chiefs’ depth chart looks like. From notes, observations and Reid’s preference in past seasons, here’s our early projection of the Chiefs’ 53-man roster.

Quarterbacks: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne

Analysis: The quarterbacks’ room shouldn’t change from last year. Mahomes has been supported by Henne, who also understands the offense better in his second season with the Chiefs. Offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, quarterbacks assistant Mike Kafka and Reid will continue to brainstorm on how Mahomes can stay ahead of opposing defenses. Henne, an 11-year veteran, is a suitable backup who can smoothly operate the Chiefs’ offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Chase Litton is entering his second season with the Chiefs after performing well last year in the preseason. If Litton continues to develop in camp, he’ll likely stay with the Chiefs and win the third-string battle over undrafted free agent Kyle Shurmur.

Running backs: Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson

Analysis: This is an interesting group. All four players are capable of being additional receivers in Reid’s offense and Damien Williams appears to be ready for his role as the Chiefs’ primary ball carrier.

Hyde should be most effective in short-yardage situations and on swing passes out of the backfield. Last season, Darrel Williams performed well in his six games, showing toughness in space. The most unpredictable player at the position is Thompson, who could be used in screen passes, on special teams or as a gadget player for Reid. Thompson has enough speed that he should see the ball in space at least a few times this season. The Chiefs don’t need their running backs to be spectacular. The goal for this group should be consistency in keeping opposing defenses balanced.

Fullback: Anthony Sherman

Analysis: As one of the best fullbacks in the league, Sherman will continue to do a little bit of everything. Sherman will block for Mahomes and Williams, catch critical passes and be a plus on special teams. Another Pro Bowl appearance seems reasonable.

Tight ends: Travis Kelce, Deon Yelder, John Lovett

Analysis: Kelce, who missed the offseason practices to rest his surgically repaired ankle, should be fully healthy in time for camp. He is Mahomes’ favorite target, and that shouldn’t change this season, particularly on third down. The real intrigue in camp is who will play with Kelce as Reid’s second and third tight ends. The reason for two backups here is simple: Reid wants to run plays with two tight ends, and both Yelder and Lovett have the most potential. Yelder, the more traditional tight end who excels at blocking, spent most of last season on the Chiefs’ practice squad. The preseason is going to be critical for him. As for Lovett, he’s one of the best athletes on the roster. He made impressive catches during the open offseason practices and spent plenty of snaps with the projected starters with Kelce and Yelder out with injuries.

Practice-squad consideration: Nick Keizer is another young, solid option in case of an injury. Keizer spent last season on the Baltimore Ravens’ practice squad.

Receivers: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, Byron Pringle, Gehrig Dieter

Analysis: After the NFL Draft, Hill was not on our projected depth chart ahead of the team’s organized practices. Although he’s indefinitely suspended by the Chiefs, Hill could rejoin the team in camp since he’s no longer under criminal investigation from the Johnson County (Kan.) District Attorney’s office. The Chiefs believe Hill could receive a suspension from the NFL as soon as next month for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy.

Beyond Hill’s potential return, the rest of the position is a steady group. Watkins was a star during the offseason program, and Robinson has received greater responsibility within the offense. Pringle and Dieter are players who can contribute on offense and special teams. Hardman, the speedy rookie, should have an increased role as the season progresses and he better understands the offense.

Practice-squad consideration: Cody Thompson, an undrafted rookie from Toledo, was the second-most consistent receiver in the offseason practices behind Watkins. Thompson caught almost every ball thrown to him during the open practices and his route running, especially in the slot, was impressive. If Hill is suspended, Thompson could start the season on the Chiefs’ 53-man roster if he performs well in the preseason.

Offensive linemen: Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Andrew Wylie, Cam Erving, Kahlil McKenzie, Jimmy Murray, Nick Allegretti

Analysis: The Chiefs’ starting lineup appears set with a healthy Duverney-Tardif and an emerging Wylie as the projected guards next to Reiter as the center. Schwartz and Fisher are quality tackles. But one reason the Chiefs have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL is because of their depth and versatility. Erving, who spent much of last season as the starting left guard, appears ready for a new role as the swingman tackle. McKenzie learned the guard position last year as a rookie and should get plenty of snaps in the preseason. Murray and Allegretti are athletic enough to play both the center and guard positions.

Practice-squad consideration: Tackle Ryan Hunter should be given another year to learn from Schwartz, Fisher and assistant coach Andy Heck.

Defensive linemen: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, Derrick Nnadi, Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams

Analysis: Spagnuolo is going to place a lot of his faith in these players. The trio of pass rushers in Clark, Jones and Okafor is a quality group that should put consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. Jones, who is seeking a sizable contract extension, is expected to return to the team early in camp after missing all of the offseason practices. The two wild cards are former second-round picks Speaks and Kpassagnon. Spagnuolo wants the two players to play both on the edge and in the interior based on the matchups against the opposing offensive line. Speaks and Kpassagnon haven’t done that since their college careers. Nnadi, Saunders and Williams are all capable defensive tackles who can rotate and be stout in Spagnuolo’s 4-3 defense.

Practice-squad consideration: The Chiefs are very high on Tim Ward, an undrafted rookie defensive end who missed all of the offseason practices because of a knee injury.

Linebackers: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Dorian O’Daniel, Ben Niemann

Analysis: The position appears to still be fluid for Spagnuolo, as Hitchens is the lone unquestioned starter. Ragland, Wilson and Lee could all be starters at some point this season with O’Daniel as a situational option. One of the most fascinating parts of camp will be how often the Chiefs run snaps with three linebackers. The change in scheme appears to benefit Ragland the most, who could play in the middle or as the strong-side ‘backer. The winner of these position battles will likely be the players who can sprint sideline to sideline and be effective in pass coverage. Niemann is the perfect role player who is disciplined and strong on special teams. O’Daniel is also a plus option on special teams.

Practice-squad considerations: Darius Harris, an undrafted rookie, has potential. Raymond Davison should get another year to develop after being on the Chiefs’s practice squad last season.

Cornerbacks: Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Keith Reaser, Tremon Smith

Analysis: Something unforeseen would have to happen in camp or the preseason for this position to change. Fuller, Breeland and Ward are the Chiefs’ primary options. Reaser is a reasonable option in dime coverage if he can stay healthy, which has been his biggest issue in the NFL. Spagnuolo likely will leave Fuller in the slot position and the burden will increase for Ward, who blossomed late last season as a rookie. Smith, a second-year player, is the projected winner of the final spot on the roster since he was excellent as the team’s kickoff returner last season.

Practice-squad considerations: Rookies Rashad Fenton and Mark Fields will need to perform better than expected in the preseason, both on defense and special teams, for them to make the roster. If they prove competent, both players should spend the season learning Spagnuolo’s system.

Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Daniel Sorensen, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts

Analysis: The order of this position is set entering training camp with Mathieu and Thornhill as the starters. Sorensen, Lucas and Watts are all capable backups who can make contributions on special teams. Spagnuolo just needs this group to stay healthy.

Specialists: Harrison Butker (kicker), Dustin Colquitt (punter), James Winchester (long snapper)

Analysis: All three players rank among the best at their position in the NFL with coordinator Dave Toub as their guru.

Practice-squad considerations: Undrafted rookie punter Jack Fox has a big and consistent leg; he’ll continue to develop under Colquitt and Toub.

rabblerouser 06-22-2019 11:02 AM

Actual improvement in talent across the board from last year.

oldman 06-22-2019 11:11 AM

I don't see any major surprises there. I would like to see someone new beat out Ragland. I'm glad to see Lovett as a projected TE. He may be a little undersized, but I can almost see the wheels turning in Andy's mind. I'd still like to see another CB.

Chiefshrink 06-22-2019 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14317739)
I don't see any major surprises there. I would like to see someone new beat out Ragland. I'm glad to see Lovett as a projected TE. He may be a little undersized, but I can almost see the wheels turning in Andy's mind. I'd still like to see another CB.

Agreed. Not a Ragland fan at all. Just no instincts and is too slow but to the OP's point maybe he might play better in a 4-3. Who knows but I am not holding my breath either.

Chief Roundup 06-22-2019 11:42 AM

Quarterbacks: Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne
Running backs: Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson
Fullback: Anthony Sherman
Tight ends: Travis Kelce, Deon Yelder, John Lovett
Receivers: Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Demarcus Robinson, Mecole Hardman, Byron Pringle, Gehrig Dieter
Offensive linemen: Mitchell Schwartz, Eric Fisher, Austin Reiter, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Andrew Wylie, Cam Erving, Kahlil McKenzie, Jimmy Murray, Nick Allegretti
Defensive linemen: Frank Clark, Chris Jones, Alex Okafor, Emmanuel Ogbah, Derrick Nnadi, Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Khalen Saunders, Xavier Williams
Linebackers: Anthony Hitchens, Reggie Ragland, Damien Wilson, Darron Lee, Dorian O’Daniel, Ben Niemann
Cornerbacks: Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward, Keith Reaser, Tremon Smith
Safeties: Tyrann Mathieu, Juan Thornhill, Daniel Sorensen, Jordan Lucas, Armani Watts
Specialists: Harrison Butker (kicker), Dustin Colquitt (punter), James Winchester (long snapper)

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-22-2019 12:02 PM

Looks like Fenton was a waste of a 6th rd pick. Could have just drafted a fatty for more line depth there.

Halfcan 06-22-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 14317739)
I don't see any major surprises there. I would like to see someone new beat out Ragland. I'm glad to see Lovett as a projected TE. He may be a little undersized, but I can almost see the wheels turning in Andy's mind. I'd still like to see another CB.

I thought the Ragland deal was a dumb trade from the beginning. He is the slowest player on the team...well not literally, but he did get chased down last year by an O line after having a 10-yard head start. :rolleyes: His knee swells up just taking the plane ride to the game.

I am surprised Sorensen and Ragland are still here. They were weak links last year.

I am looking forward to seeing how this O line gels. I hope they can protect Mahomes better than last year.

Halfcan 06-22-2019 03:08 PM

This thread faded faster than the Bronko's Playoff hopes after the first preseason game.

"Oh well, maybe next year, Floco will be gone and Lock will be beasting!"

kccrow 06-22-2019 05:38 PM

The WR position is one that will need to shake out. Alot of pieces there that all seem reasonable to make the team. I don't think Deiter or Robinson are locks by any means.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Reid kept only 3 RBs or 2 TEs, as he has several times in the past, if there's a player he wants to keep at another position (like WR).

Easy 6 06-22-2019 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14317809)
Looks like Fenton was a waste of a 6th rd pick. Could have just drafted a fatty for more line depth there.

I'd agree with that, seems like we could've gotten better value along the line

carcosa 06-22-2019 05:56 PM

Mahomes

Halfcan 06-22-2019 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14317809)
Looks like Fenton was a waste of a 6th rd pick. Could have just drafted a fatty for more line depth there.

Who?

The dude has faded into obscurity and camp has not even started.

KChiefs1 06-22-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 14318215)
Mahomes


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rtmike 06-23-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 14318189)
The WR position is one that will need to shake out. Alot of pieces there that all seem reasonable to make the team. I don't think Deiter or Robinson are locks by any means.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Reid kept only 3 RBs or 2 TEs, as he has several times in the past, if there's a player he wants to keep at another position (like WR).


I’m of the opinion that the WR group is spot on.
Robinson and Deiters play continues to improve and imo are locks, lol. Amazing how differently we all see things, lol.

KChiefs1 06-27-2019 06:48 AM

Locked On Chiefs:

https://youtu.be/jj7ibMBH6HU

KChiefs1 07-24-2019 02:44 PM

Anyone have thoughts on Bell at TE?

loochy 07-24-2019 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14317812)
I thought the Ragland deal was a dumb trade from the beginning. He is the slowest player on the team...well not literally, but he did get chased down last year by an O line after having a 10-yard head start. :rolleyes: His knee swells up just taking the plane ride to the game.

I am surprised Sorensen and Ragland are still here. They were weak links last year.

I am looking forward to seeing how this O line gels. I hope they can protect Mahomes better than last year.

Sorenson is just fine as a backup

KChiefs1 08-12-2019 01:20 PM

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Hoover 08-12-2019 01:54 PM

I don't think we will be able to sneak Kahill McKenzie onto the practice squad.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-12-2019 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14391623)

That looks like a good roster. I agree with Hoover that Mckenzie will have to make the 53 or he's gone. Also think Fenton will go to the PS.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-12-2019 02:22 PM

I'm wondering if Tremon Smith might end up getting traded for a 6th or something.

Mecca 08-12-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14391623)

That is Kent Swansons roster and I don't really like it...5 LB's isn't enough 11 DB's?

10 OL?

Andoverer 08-12-2019 02:33 PM

Shurmur over Litton? I thought Litton played well

O.city 08-12-2019 02:33 PM

I'd keep Mckenzie over Hunter and Murray. There's no reason to keep a backup for each spot on the OL. You need a backup g and a backup T. Keep 8 there.

Then I'd say Tremon Smith has no spot anymore, wouldn't mess with PS. Shurmer can go elsewhere and keep Litton.

Hyde wouldn't have a spot on my roster, but whatever.

Defensively Attachou keeps playing like he did the other night he'll make it. they don't have another SLB other than Wilson and I don't think Harris is it.

Mecca 08-12-2019 02:36 PM

I could buy Cody Thompson making the team but he has to beat out Kemp and Smith for that when he likely could easily be placed on the PS.

He just has way to many OL on there and not enough LB's.

RealSNR 08-12-2019 02:40 PM

That one dude and Trent Green tried to play off this "Litton is a strong armed gunslinger and Shurmur is a safe smart manager" thing, but Litton isn't exactly some dumbass with the IQ of Tyler Bray. He has a lot more to work with, and to be honest, with the way Andy Reid can coach QBs, if (God forbid) we ever did have to rely on our 3rd string, I'd be more comfortable with Litton executing the offense than Shurmur.

Obviously I trust Reid 100%, but for my money, I think Litton is the better QB, and I think they'll go with him over Shurmur.

Mecca 08-12-2019 02:42 PM

Shurmers dad coached with Reid forever...won't be at all surprised if he gets the knod and they view him as Mahomes "Todd Collins" where he is the cheap backup for like 10 years.

Cause face it this is Henne's last year.

O.city 08-12-2019 02:48 PM

Cody Thompson looked really natural as a WR Saturday. That dude may end up sneaking on the roster.

Tribal Warfare 08-12-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14391716)
I could buy Cody Thompson making the team but he has to beat out Kemp and Smith for that when he likely could easily be placed on the PS.

He just has way to many OL on there and not enough LB's.

Pringle too because of his ST value

Mecca 08-12-2019 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 14391755)
Pringle too because of his ST value

I think Pringle is basically a lock to make the team.

RealSNR 08-12-2019 02:51 PM

Jimmy Murray still has a decent shot at the team. He looked REALLY good with the 2nd team at C, and he might be able to sneak on as the backup. The key is obviously whether or not he's going to be versatile enough to play multiple positions at a high level, not just C. So in the end, I'm not going to be surprised if the Chiefs view Allegretti's play at C to be good enough for a backup.

No clue about McKenzie. I didn't see anything atrocious from when he played RG on Saturday. Don't know how the coaches see him or how far along the expected progression he really is.

Tribal Warfare 08-12-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14391756)
I think Pringle is basically a lock to make the team.

At 1st I thought it was local homer hype then saw actual efficiency out of the K-State Cat.

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KChiefs1 08-12-2019 05:53 PM

Today’s depth chart.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d2184e29a0.jpg

Chief Roundup 08-12-2019 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14392006)

From 3 days ago.....

Chiefshrink 08-12-2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14362516)
Anyone have thoughts on Bell at TE?

Looks like he can ball a bit. Need to see more from him to really make an accurate assessment.

arrowheadnation 08-12-2019 07:18 PM

Hopefully it includes starters at CB and LB that aren't even on the team yet.

Wilson8 08-13-2019 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14362516)
Anyone have thoughts on Bell at TE?

In Saturday's game, Bell had 2 nice catches for 37 total yards. The one that he dropped was thrown behind him and he was unable to reach back and catch it.

He also had some nice blocks that helped in scoring touchdowns. On Hardman's TD, both Bell and Yelder made blocks that cleared a path for Mecole.

Bell also had a block on Hyde's TD run.

On the Mahomes 36 yard pass to Travis Kelce, Blake Bell missed his block that allowed the defender to deck Mahomes after Patrick threw the ball.

Chiefs need to see more of Blake Bell and Deon Yelder, both as blockers and receivers, before deciding on the 2nd TE.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08-13-2019 02:24 AM

Wait that was Bell who let our QB God get hit ������!!! Yelder is now my new fav for #2 TE

Wilson8 08-13-2019 08:58 AM

That was Bell that did not block very well. Maybe he was supposed to chip and release, but it looked more like he just missed.

I thought it was actually a cheap shot by the defender. Patrick had clearly released the ball and the defender did not just run into him but gave him a two hand shove.

KChiefs1 08-16-2019 07:34 AM

WR:

Hill
Watkins
Hardman
Robinson
Kemp
Pringle

PS:
Thompson
Dieter
Davis

RealSNR 08-16-2019 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14396260)
WR:

Hill
Watkins
Hardman
Robinson
Kemp
Pringle

PS:
Thompson
Dieter
Davis


Lol. No. The chiefs aren’t keeping 3 WRs on the practice squad. And why would you waste a spot on Dieter when he can easily be IR’d?

thabear04 08-16-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14396260)
WR:

Hill
Watkins
Hardman
Robinson
Kemp
Pringle

PS:
Thompson
Dieter
Davis

Not sure if Gehrig Dieter could be on the PS he into his 3rd year. It’s either cut or be on IR.

WhawhaWhat 08-16-2019 08:17 AM

Nate Taylor projected roster as of 8/15/2019.

https://i.imgur.com/NNA8dyG.png

Renegade 08-16-2019 08:23 AM

I am counting 54. Is that because Clairborne is still on the active roster until the season starts?

WhawhaWhat 08-16-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 14396314)
I am counting 54. Is that because Clairborne is still on the active roster until the season starts?

Yeah he actually has an * next to his name on the depth chart because of the suspension but I forgot to put it in there.

FloridaMan88 08-16-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14396268)
Lol. No. The chiefs aren’t keeping 3 WRs on the practice squad. And why would you waste a spot on Dieter when he can easily be IR’d?

Put Dieter on the non football roster payroll as Mahomes' personal assistant.

KCrockaholic 08-16-2019 10:38 AM

I think Darron Lee needs to be a starter. He has a chance.

jjchieffan 08-18-2019 12:06 AM

Any changes to your rosters after game 2? Assuming that Kemp goes on IR, there's one change. Deiter hasn't made his case for that spot, but Thompson has. I think that he may be the one to take that last WR spot. How about CB? Reaser being hurt and Smith moving to RB has left some room for someone to step into that last spot. Fenton hasn't shown that he deserves it. It comes down to Fields, Miller, and Wade. I think that Wade is out. Could they keep both Fields and Miller? If just one, which one. I expect them to keep 10 DBs. Breeland, Fuller, Ward, Mathieu, Thornhill, Watts, Sorenson, Lucas, Fields and Miller make 10. Of course Claiborne will be roster exempt for the first 4 weeks, so one of them gets cut when he comes back. Which one?

RealSNR 08-18-2019 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14399382)
Any changes to your rosters after game 2? Assuming that Kemp goes on IR, there's one change. Deiter hasn't made his case for that spot, but Thompson has. I think that he may be the one to take that last WR spot. How about CB? Reaser being hurt and Smith moving to RB has left some room for someone to step into that last spot. Fenton hasn't shown that he deserves it. It comes down to Fields, Miller, and Wade. I think that Wade is out. Could they keep both Fields and Miller? If just one, which one. I expect them to keep 10 DBs. Breeland, Fuller, Ward, Mathieu, Thornhill, Watts, Sorenson, Lucas, Fields and Miller make 10. Of course Claiborne will be roster exempt for the first 4 weeks, so one of them gets cut when he comes back. Which one?

I think Herb Miller is completely out of it and was out of it from day one. He's just too slow. I don't think the Chiefs are even going to give him a look at the practice squad.

He reminds me of Arrion Springs last year. With our shitty depth, Springs was a bright kid who picked things up pretty damn quickly and was already directing coverages and being a leader when he was on the field in practices and preseason. He took perfect angles, got his nose dirty, and really seemed like a great player to have around at least on special teams. Only one problem, though. Slow as molasses. If he didn't keep the receiver in front of him in his zone responsibility and even slightly got behind, he would've gotten burned whenever he was on the field. And Herb Miller has that same problem, too.

You hate to completely turn down any player who had what Springs had between the ears, but you're also not helping your roster much by keeping him around.

KChiefs1 08-18-2019 08:23 AM

I expect Veach to grab a CB either from a trade or waiver wire & depending on how bad Yelder is hurt maybe a TE too.

KChiefs1 08-21-2019 07:54 AM

Nate Taylor’s latest roster projections.

https://theathletic.com/1151199/2019...e-depth-chart/

tyreekthefreak 08-21-2019 08:02 AM

Can you copy and paste so everyone can read it without buying a subscription, please?

oldman 08-21-2019 08:03 AM

Can you copy and paste it? I'm not signing up for any pay site, even with a "free" trial.

KChiefs1 08-21-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 14403377)
Can you copy and paste so everyone can read it without buying a subscription, please?



I’m on my phone & it’s not letting me copy it. Maybe someone else can. Sorry.

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:12 AM

There's only maybe 4-5 in flux spots so that's really all that needs to be discussed like last week he had Hyde being cut and Tremon Smith making it.

WhawhaWhat 08-21-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 14403371)
Nate Taylor’s latest roster projections.

https://theathletic.com/1151199/2019...e-depth-chart/

https://i.imgur.com/oQJOvjh.png

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:16 AM

Yea I pretty seriously disagree with that roster, they didn't sign Jeff Allen for him not to make the team.

I also don't think the Chiefs are very high on Cody Thompson, Pringle offers something on specials.

O.city 08-21-2019 08:18 AM

If Taylor is writing it, i'm guessing he's heard something from someone.

WhawhaWhat 08-21-2019 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14403398)
Yea I pretty seriously disagree with that roster, they didn't sign Jeff Allen for him not to make the team.

I also don't think the Chiefs are very high on Cody Thompson, Pringle offers something on specials.

Jeff Allen is there I just didn't update it. I updated the image.

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:22 AM

The Yelder one depends on how seriously injured he is, if he is, they may have to just roll with 2 TE's for awhile unless they want to keep Lovett that his injury will be done soon and they can get something out of him. I don't see Keizer as a roster member.

This Tremon Smith thing is getting weird, do we need all these returners just because or do they really think he can do something on offense?

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 14403404)
Jeff Allen is there I just didn't update it. I updated the image.

Ah I see that, looking at this roster, I would be stunned if there wasn't a trade or waiver pickup after preseason.

RunKC 08-21-2019 08:43 AM

Taylor still has Tremon over Hyde LMAO

Interesting that he also has Cody Thompson over Byron Pringle

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14403449)
Taylor still has Tremon over Hyde LMAO

Interesting that he also has Cody Thompson over Byron Pringle

It's hard for me to buy into those, even if you dig Thompson, he is always going to be a slot dude where Pringle can at least lineup outside and do some returning.

The Franchise 08-21-2019 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14403398)
Yea I pretty seriously disagree with that roster, they didn't sign Jeff Allen for him not to make the team.

I also don't think the Chiefs are very high on Cody Thompson, Pringle offers something on specials.

Has Pringle shown anything as a WR this preseason yet?

Mecca 08-21-2019 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14403472)
Has Pringle shown anything as a WR this preseason yet?

Not really but it's also much easier to get open from the slot than on the boundary.

In a lot of ways I don't think there is much separation other than Pringle is a bit more versatile in where he can lineup.

Rain Man 08-21-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14403472)
Has Pringle shown anything as a WR this preseason yet?

I've only seen the first two preseason games, but I haven't seen Pringle get separation at all.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 08-21-2019 09:23 AM

But I was told Pringle would be a stud

WhawhaWhat 08-21-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14403497)
But I was told Pringle would be a stud

Just wait until he hits the XFL.

O.city 08-21-2019 09:36 AM

It does make sense that a slot guy in the preseason is gonna look better than an outside guy, especially ones that are playing with the 3 and 4 QB's. They aren't gonna be the most confident in throwing those outside routes that Andy's offense asks them to run.

Mecca 08-21-2019 09:40 AM

Also as much as people don't think about this, Pringle being here for a year over Thompson probably helps him.

oldman 08-21-2019 09:44 AM

I just don't see T. Smith making this team, especially now that DAT is back. Add Pringle in the mix and there's just no room for a KR specialist. I think both Ragland and X. Williams are surprise cuts with Hamilton taking the job from Williams and anyone else kicking Ragland to the curb. Cody Thompson hasn't shown me much, either.

DJ's left nut 08-21-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14403507)
It does make sense that a slot guy in the preseason is gonna look better than an outside guy, especially ones that are playing with the 3 and 4 QB's. They aren't gonna be the most confident in throwing those outside routes that Andy's offense asks them to run.

By the same measure, the outside guys are more set in this offense than the slot guys (Hill and Watkins with Hardman next man up if either goes down for a significant period).

If Thompson is getting more run in the slot, he's presumably looking better in the slot than Pringle.

If I could only keep the guy who profiles a little better as the Y receiver in this offense or the guy who profiles a little better as the X (noting that neither can play the Z), I'm gonna take the Y.

And I'd have kept Kemp over both of them, reviled though he may be.

DJ's left nut 08-21-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14403512)
Also as much as people don't think about this, Pringle being here for a year over Thompson probably helps him.

If so, you'd think he'd be being utilized just as much in the slot.

I mean if Pringle's experience in the system makes him more versatile, why's he only really getting run in the X spot? In terms of grasp of the offense, I've not seen anything to suggest Pringle is ahead of Thompson.

O.city 08-21-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14403522)
By the same measure, the outside guys are more set in this offense than the slot guys (Hill and Watkins with Hardman next man up if either goes down for a significant period).

If Thompson is getting more run in the slot, he's presumably looking better in the slot than Pringle.

If I could only keep the guy who profiles a little better as the Y receiver in this offense or the guy who profiles a little better as the X (noting that neither can play the Z), I'm gonna take the Y.

And I'd have kept Kemp over both of them, reviled though he may be.

Pretty much.

Always looking forward though and developing, if you think Pringle can develop into a legit outside guy, that's probably worth more value than a slot guy.

O.city 08-21-2019 09:47 AM

Has Pringle been in the slot any? I haven't really paid attention to that.

oldman 08-21-2019 09:51 AM

Do we have to designate IR players before or after the cuts? What about IR-Return? You might see Lovett on that list instead of trying to sneak him through waivers.

Mecca 08-21-2019 09:54 AM

For Ragland or DOD to get cut and I think DOD could, there would have to be a LB trade because we have very poor depth there.

The only real sign I guess between the receivers is Pringle goes in earlier and leaves and then Thompson plays with the real scrubs at the end.

DJ's left nut 08-21-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14403525)
Pretty much.

Always looking forward though and developing, if you think Pringle can develop into a legit outside guy, that's probably worth more value than a slot guy.

Conventional wisdom says that's the case. I'm not sure that means dick anymore; the slot guy is arguably more important in any motion offense than the #2 Wide (our X).

And what have you seen from Pringle to suggest he can 'develop into a legit outside guy'? I don't mean someone you use in a pinch, but an actual starting caliber WR you're going to use over Hardman at the X. Because that's what you're talking about here long-term.

I don't think he managed to distinguish himself from Kemp and if he did it was in a negative fashion. Would you have said "well we need to keep Kemp to see if he can develop into a legit outside guy..."

Kemp is YOUNGER than Byron Pringle, gents. By a fair amount - almost 2 years. Pringle will turn 26 in November; he's Sammy Watkins' age.

Mayhaps we should stop talking about all the untapped potential of the overaged WR 'prospect' who's done little to showcase himself. If he can help you right now, so be it. If he's more useful to the 2019 Chiefs than Thompson - keep him. But you don't go looking down the road on guys like this; there's an infinitely greater chance that he's Fred Williams than Victor Cruz.

O.city 08-21-2019 09:59 AM

I haven't seen anything with him, just saying if they have. I'd keep Thompson and would have kept Kemp just so I could have had something to argue with staylor about during down times of the season.

RunKC 08-21-2019 09:59 AM

I think Andy wants to take a more methodical approach at times. Pat even mentioned going deep too often and missing easy plays.

Have to think Andy reviewed the tape and saw that there were tons of opportunities in the intermediate area (10-15 yards) due to teams putting 3 safeties on the field to limit the big play.

Cody Thompson is a nice slot option, and that’s all we need from him right now. Thompson brings above average lateral speed and excellent route running to the table. We didn’t have that from Robinson, Conley, Kemp, Dieter or Benjamin last year.

Tom Brady does that all the time. He kills teams in the intermediate. Pat doing that will make him even more dangerous


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