Chiefs having internal meetings about changes to defensive coaching staff
 

Yes this absolutely deserves its own thread

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From “The Aftermath” on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a>: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are having internal discussions today about whether to make changes to their defensive coaching staff, up to and including coordinator Bob Sutton. Nothing decided yet but keep an eye on this one. <a href="https://t.co/SzZcy1AL8p">pic.twitter.com/SzZcy1AL8p</a></p>&mdash; Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1087470495312822272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tomorrow: Bob Sutton to hold press conference Thursday.

Check Bob Sutton thread..

Totally feels like they're gonna change a bunch of other coaches but keep Sutton...I hope I'm wrong...

Saw breaking news on ESPN. yet alas.....

The fact that this isn't even decided yet is disturbing.

"What should we do?"

"Order a pizza!"

Like I said in the Sutton thread, no discussion is necessary. Time to take him out back and shoot him.

Bring me a guy who can and will challenge Reid at all times. That’s probably wishful thinking, though.

It is decided.

I've never known Marty Mac to be wrong.

This is my fear as well

They’re slow playing it a little bit but I’d imagine this decision has already been made

They can't ignore this shit. They just can't. They'll find a way to let Bob bow out gracefully. Hopefully they have someone in mind to replace him.

That would be bullshit. He's the constant. Damn media needs to beat the drum.

JFC stop with this crap. If he was retiring they wouldn’t be having talks it would just happen

If Sutton is back next year then what is the point of watching? We all know how it will end with him on the sidelines.

Bob must go or Andy will have officially lost me.

This is kinda what I figure.

They’ll let him retire or resign or something

I think it's probably more a question of... do they want to replace him with an internal candidate or go out and hold a public search?

I don’t think they are deciding if Sutton will stay. I think these meetings are more about who are they going to get to replace him.

PR hit is too big. 2 years of the KC Star calling for his head, Romo knowing basic plays Sutton doesn’t.

This is happening.

What?

This is kind of where I'm at too. I'll watch on TV but not spending money to go and watch.

2 straight years or having one of the worst defenses in the league? Yeah he ain’t coming back

Would an internal candidate be any better than Bob?

It has to be an outside guy right? I just wish we could've hired Todd Bowles before he went to the Bucs.

Sutton should get axed.

You guys remember when....can't remember his name, that Redskins Corner who blasted the DC?

His complaint was that their man-coverage scheme was simply to easy for QB's to read and adjust to.

That stuck out to me.

And when you think back to all the plays QB's have made against this D, finding isolated corners etc, it became all too clear to me.

Couple with with the remarks made last night as to how the Pats planned for the Chiefs D....

It's pretty clear that the scheme we're running, a mostly Man-coverage scheme, is way too ****ing easy for these Qb's to read, diagnose and adjust to.

Probably read my banner thread....

Tony Romo was calling the Patriots plays with almost 100% accuracy before the snap.

It’s a scheme that works when you’ve got the talent for it. It’s just hard to continually have that much talent in the secondary

We need an outside hire and to clean house. Brent Venables would be my first choice.

I agree that this is worthy of its own thread.

If you do have to take him out back and shoot him, just call a defensive team meeting and tell the players he went to live on a farm....

Cue the Ron Paul gif.

It's Happening!

Jesus Christ.

I just got back home, haven't watched the replay yet.

Going by Reid’s history, Andy Heck for DC and new OL coach. Two birds with one stone.

This is all for show, they know what they are going to do. the fact they mentioned Romo's comments about our defense is pretty damning.

I don't know. There were some rumblings that a couple of the assistants were more involved with the gameplanning toward the end of the season.

I'm not saying they'd be better than Sutton but it's possible. You could have someone who is a smart young coach but they're not the one calling the shots.

Just leave his ass in the parking lot with all the grills and tents that were left behind last night.

Drove by this morning, and it looked like a ****ing landfill.

Underrated post, thumbs up.

ROFL

Do you plan to? I'd burn the DVR.

I agree with you agreeing. And until we hear Sutton is fired this place might as well be "Bob Sutton Planet". Any significant news, reports, or rumors should warrant a new thread.

It kind of freaks me out. It says that basically most or all NFL teams do the same thing, in which case why even bother with play calls? Just have the quarterback go with the rules that the defensive coverage dictates.

Fully expect to hear a press conference about his retirement

Public backlash is a real motivator.

I don't know how many cars were left but there were tow trucks lining up by the Dennys near Adams Mark.

I mean, that’s probably what he’ll end up doing regardless LMAO

Ford, Jones, Houston are no scrubs and should elevate a defense atleast upto mid tier. I fail to believe this is a personnel problem but definitely lackluster coaching.

Ward, Sorensen, Bailey, Fuller are ok too. **** Sutton for costing us this season in a crucial championship window.

Nice name change.

The screeches are deafening. Hold the presses for Rona Barrett!!

Rona ... chill, baby. They hold these meeting every single year.

FAX

I saw at least 7 in lane that wouldnt start or they couldn't find keys for

Why would you punish yourself thus?

I probably won't watch the recording of the game ever.

Staying this way until we participate in a SB.

That's exactly what Brady does. It's why he was making audibles at the line almost every play.

The Patriots are great but they're just like robots. They go out there and look at where your weakness is and attack it until you adjust for it. Then when you do that, they look for the next weakness that opened up because of it. Then they exploit that.

It's why they win every year even though they may not have the most talented teams. They don't have a specific "style" of play, they just exploit whatever you're doing.

But that IS the issue. It's totally talent dependent. Because the scheme is so simplistic for a QB to read, the talent has to be substantial because an offense can scheme to beat it easily enough.

"internal meetings"

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Mahomes is too important to Andy and Clark. Nothing will get in their way of getting to the Super Bowl. Bob Sutton is an obstacle. In my view, Sutton will leave soon.

I watched the second half today to see what I may have missed being at the game, honestly I almost felt better about a few things and more irritated at the defense.

Jesus tap dancing Christ Mahomes got his ass beat to a pulp and still brought us back from the dead.

All those 3rd down conversions on our defense though, yeesh.

It's the scheme guys.

It's not the players' fault that Bob refused to blitz when we couldn't get any pressure.

It's not the players' fault that Bob continually drops our best pass rushers into coverage on 3rd downs.

It's not the players' fault that Bob had us playing double high safeties on the final few drives of the game, even though the Patriots have no real deep threats, leaving the middle of the field wide open, over and over again.

Bob IS the problem and he must go.

So, who do ya’ll think we’d be eyeing if we do decide to replace Buttons? I’d hope we go for an outside hire, maybe Kris Richard? He’s still with Dallas, right!

This hardly matters. And it doesn't show that Sutton didn't know what the Pats would do either.

I'm not trying to defend Sutton here, but just trying to stay grounded and objective.

There was no secret on either side what both teams were going to do.

As fans, i feel like most of us here knew EXACTLY how each team would play each other. It was ALWAYS going to come down to winning the individual matchups.

As Tony said to start the broadcast, the Patriots knew exactly what the Chiefs were going to run because they do the same damn thing every time they play.

And as Fans, did any one of you see the Patriots do ANYTHING that we haven't seen them do?

This game went down, schematically EXACTLY as i thought it would, EXACTLY the way i thought it SHOULD for us to have a chance. And i KNOW i'm not the only one who knew this because we've had these discussions here.

So no, i don't buy this idea that Sutton didn't know what the Pats were doing. It comes down to winning the matchups within the scheme we planned on using.

And that didn't happen.

Pretty sure he's getting the Dolphins' HC gig.

Sutton is gone. It’s happening. Let’s not kid ourselves. Would be cool to confine this to one cluster****ed megathread.

You’re thinking of Brian flores from the Pats

That's when a DC should MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

If it's not working (and it obviously wasn't) then you adjust.

We didn't.

You're right....get them confused.

In that case, yeah I'd take him.

Spagnuolo learned under Philadelphia coach Jim Johnson, and shares the same aggressive, blitz-heavy approach as his mentor. (He did not incorporate this philosophy during his time in New Orleans however). Spagnuolo uses a 4–3 base defense with a heavy emphasis on multiple blitz packages, including corner and safety blitzes. While defensive coordinator of the New York Giants, he often used a smaller defensive line, with three or even four defensive ends to further pressure the quarterback.

This philosophy proved successful, with the Giants leading the NFL in sacks in 2007. In Super Bowl XLII, Spagnuolo's defense sacked Tom Brady five times, which was the most he had been sacked in any game that season.

The biggest surprise wasn't how the Chiefs D played the Pats O schematically, or how the Pats O played the Chiefs D schematically.

That was the most predictable part of this game.

What we didn't foresee (or at least i didn't) was the Chiefs Offense failing to do ANYTHING against these Man-coverage/pressure looks that the Pats D threw at them.

THAT, IMO, was the biggest surprise last night.

That’s who I want

Tony Romo should be our next D Coordinator.

Sutton will be gone, but the damage has been done. Hard to get too excited about it. Dorsey did us no favors with his D drafting / contracts either.

To what? I firmly believe that the scheme we ran was the correct scheme.

It's why we wanted the Patriots all week.

But you have to win the matchups. You're not going to sit back in a zone against Brady.

If he’s brought back, I predict a loss in next seasons AFC championship game to the Browns

I share that opinion, Mr. Detoxing.

It was all very predictable from a schematic perspective. The shockingly horrific part was how effective the Cheaters were at dealing with Tyreek and Kelce. That was unexpected.

Honestly, it makes me wonder why. Talent-wise, it shouldn't have gone down like that. Of course, the o-line looked like 4 grannies and a plegic which caused problems for Mahomes, but our best receivers were nullified.

That's not supposed to happen.

FAX

That's play calling, not scheme.

Our scheme has limitations. It's predictable. It's easy for QB's to diagnose.

But it's the best of two evils against the Pats. The Chiefs just didn't win their matchups. And yeah, i agree that there was some spotty defensive play calling at times.

What is their to discuss? I did notice in Reid's PC he mentioned we led the league in sacks which means he will keep his son around. They need to gut the rest of the staff.

Then it needs to be changed

Or they need to bring in the talent to run it effectively. Which basically means a star-studded backfield.

He kind of scares the hell out of me because for as experienced and smart of a DC he is, his defenses always seem to be meh.... Scares me also that nobody's knocked on his door for a full year. But his scheme is better. It's more modern than what we have. I'm still intrigued by Mike Smith as an internal guy but hate that he's primarily tied to Sutton's scheme. What if the Chiefs named Mike Smith as DC and hired Spags as basically co-coordinator & consultant.

#bringgutherback

Emmett Thomas and the guy who played in GB can stay.

why our DB's suck ass?


If it was me I would try to get Kris Richard if possible. He is not listed as D-coordinator with the Cowboys so maybe he could come here as a promotion.

Not a promotion in the eyes of the NFL

Emmett Thomas is 75. Harris seems to be highly regarded... but I also don't love how confused our ILBs look all the time. I don't have an issue keeping Britt Reid. Mike Smith should definitely stay. Harris... if the Chiefs think he'll do better with better scheme & talent, open to it. Have to think most others are on the bubble.