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T-post Tom 01-15-2019 08:36 AM

Chiefs' living and dying with pass rush will get ultimate test from Tom Brady
 
Outside linebacker Justin Houston has played for some strong pass-rushing teams since joining the Kansas City Chiefs. He usually contributes to the effort in a big way, never more so than in 2014, when he had 22 sacks.

Houston said recently that he wasn’t sure how this year’s team compared. “That’s a tough one," Houston said. “I’ve been on a lot of great units."

Houston was certain of one thing, though.

“The best is yet to come," he said.

Houston has good reason to feel that way. The pass rush has helped carry the Chiefs to Sunday’s AFC Championship Game against the New England Patriots at Arrowhead Stadium.

The Chiefs tied for the NFL regular-season lead with 52 sacks. Lineman Chris Jones led the way with 15.5, followed by linebacker Dee Ford with 13. Houston had nine despite missing four games with an injury.

For much of the season, the pass rush was about all the Chiefs could consistently rely on from their defense. Their rushing defense was woeful and their pass coverage spotty.

The most obvious example of the pass rush winning a game for them came in December against the Baltimore Ravens. With the game tied 24-24 late in the fourth quarter, Houston sacked Baltimore’s Lamar Jackson, forced him to fumble and then recovered with the Chiefs in field goal range.

The Chiefs missed the kick, sending the game to overtime. But after taking a 27-24 lead, the Chiefs in effect closed it out with another Houston sack that pushed the Ravens into late-down and long-distance situations.

The rest of the defense has come around. The Chiefs allowed just one late touchdown and a defensive TD in their 31-13 win over the Indianapolis Colts in the divisional round, after giving up just a field goal in the final regular-season game against the Oakland Raiders.

The pass rush is still the basis of everything the Chiefs accomplish on defense. They sacked Andrew Luck three times on Saturday. Impressive, considering the Colts allowed a league-low 18 sacks this season.

“We don’t care who we are going against," Jones said. “We can go up against brick walls and we will find a way to beat them."

It’s not just about sacks. The Chiefs, for instance, deflected four passes against the Colts, three by Jones and one by Houston.

“[When] you start affecting [the quarterback's] spot, [when] he can’t get to his second or third read ... [when] he can’t step up ... there are a lot of things that affect the quarterback," outside linebackers coach Mike Smith said.

“The ball comes out quick these days, especially against us. It’s almost record time every time we play. They’re adding chips, keeping guys in. It affects an [opposing] offense. They’ve got to prepare every week for what we have."

Ford said, “Obviously, you want a sack but you’re not going to get a sack every play. You can’t rush with the mentality that ‘I want a sack every play’ because you could be hurting the defense. Getting pressure on the quarterback means disrupting the timing of his throws [when] he can’t step through on certain throws. That takes certain types of rushes and it takes you knowing how to do that every play.

“If the ball is going to come out quick, all we can do is disrupt that throw. That can lead to us getting off the field.’’

Getting off the field without allowing points is the goal on every defensive drive, the sooner the better because field position can be affected.

That’s where a strong rush comes in. The Chiefs generated a strong pass rush without blitzing a lot. They blitzed on about 12 percent of their plays in the regular season, which was the 10th-lowest rate in the league.

That approach could be helpful Sunday. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has historically had trouble facing defenses that can rush the passer successfully without blitzing.

The Chiefs blitzed even less against the Colts, on just five of the 53 snaps they defended.

“Everybody will tell you if you can do it with four people, that’s an even bigger advantage," defensive coordinator Bob Sutton said. “Obviously it gives you more people to cover with and you can do more things schematically."

The Chiefs had a strip sack against the Colts when Ford knocked the ball away from Luck. The Chiefs recovered. In their 43-40 regular-season loss to the Patriots, the Chiefs sacked Brady twice, but Brady threw for more than 300 yards. On Sunday, in what could be another high-scoring game, disrupting Brady and getting the ball back to Patrick Mahomes and the offense will be paramount.

“A pass rush can get you off the field," said Sutton, whose defense gave up 500 total yards to the Patriots in the Week 6 matchup. "Even when you’re not playing dominant defense and giving up a lot of yards, the key part is always getting the ball back or getting off the field. One or the other. The other thing we’ve done a great job of is stripping the ball. It’s not just sacks but the ability to take the ball away. That’s a challenging thing for an offense to deal with. Not only do you have to deal with pressure but also the possibility of losing the ball."



http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...from-tom-brady

2bikemike 01-15-2019 08:39 AM

Repost!:D

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=320429

T-post Tom 01-15-2019 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 14040125)

My bad. Edit done.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2019 08:51 AM

I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

2bikemike 01-15-2019 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 14040148)
My bad. Edit done.

No worries, I don't get the jump on many good stories very often.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-15-2019 08:53 AM

Our secondary has been flying around and hitting dudes the last two games... while defense has really, but the secondary is where the biggest difference is seen.

T-post Tom 01-15-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040160)
I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

Good points! Not missing Parker.

htismaqe 01-15-2019 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040160)
I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

Excellent post.

htismaqe 01-15-2019 08:56 AM

Guys, I'm going to go in a different direction with my thoughts on the article...

Did anybody notice who provided quotes? In particular, who was the first defensive coach quoted?

:hmmm:
:D

O.city 01-15-2019 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14040174)
Guys, I'm going to go in a different direction with my thoughts on the article...

Did anybody notice who provided quotes? In particular, who was the first defensive coach quoted?

:hmmm:
:D

Eh, I saw that but I'm not gonna read into it yet.

O.city 01-15-2019 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040160)
I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

I'm gonna hold off on it because we've been small sample sized before, but damn it Ward has been playing pretty well. How big would that be if he could really settle in and be that #2 guy? He's owed like 2 million dollars for the next 2 or 3 years.

Does he have the #1 type upside?

I don't think so, but he's played well.

RobertWeathers 01-15-2019 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14040185)
Eh, I saw that but I'm not gonna read into it yet.

Tom hasn't had success vs the blitz as he had in past years but you won't need it.

Thing is y'all have the pass rush out of your base which is a concern.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-15-2019 09:06 AM

Mike Smith basically telling everyone with his quotes that having these pass rushers is completely changing the way opposing offenses play (throwing it extremely quickly).

No way Andy lets Ford walk for nothing.

htismaqe 01-15-2019 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers (Post 14040195)
Tom hasn't had success vs the blitz as he had in past years but you won't need it.

Thing is y'all have the pass rush out of your base which is a concern.

Our 4 man front can generate a lot of pressure. Nnadi is coming on late in the season. He's a rookie but he's been taking a lot of doubles.

One of the big sacks on Saturday came out of a set with Ford lined up outside of Houston, on the same side. They didn't even have to blitz, the Colts just couldn't handle it.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2019 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14040211)
Our 4 man front can generate a lot of pressure. Nnadi is coming on late in the season. He's a rookie but he's been taking a lot of doubles.

One of the big sacks on Saturday came out of a set with Ford lined up outside of Houston, on the same side. They didn't even have to blitz, the Colts just couldn't handle it.

If you can get Houston isolated on a guard, the play is essentially over.

They had Houston inside and sent Hitchens on a loop, IIRC. That pulled protection that could've helped out inside on Houston away and he just mauled that poor bastard guard (maybe it was the C). That interior lineman didn't have anywhere near the quickness to stay in front of him and Houston's hand-fighting skills are second to none.

He just slapped the punch away and ran right past him. And Houston will do that to just about any guard in the league. There were some really nice schematic adjustments/wrinkles on Saturday.

It really was a command performance pretty much across the board.

carcosa 01-15-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040160)
I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

Hell, I'll just say it: yip

Direckshun 01-15-2019 09:38 AM

I don't much care what offensive line you trot out there.

Brady reads blitzes very well, and the Chiefs have the best 1-2-3 punch in football.

Send Houston/Ford/Jones and dare the Pats to block them. No offensive line can.

FringeNC 01-15-2019 09:44 AM

We definitely should take chances. Can Tom Brady really beat us over the top at his age in the bitter cold, dry, heavy air? Contest the short stuff.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2019 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 14040296)
I don't much care what offensive line you trot out there.

Brady reads blitzes very well, and the Chiefs have the best 1-2-3 punch in football.

Send Houston/Ford/Jones and dare the Pats to block them. No offensive line can.

Boy it would sure be nice if we could yeoman's work from the men in the middle using Suttons preferred 2-4-5 looks...

I mean that's just perfect for what the Patriots would like to do IF you can get Nnadi/Jones firm up the gut while Houston/Ford maintained the edges. With a healthy DoD alongside Ragland, that formation would be awfully tough for the Patriots to have their way with unless they just pounded it up the middle.

And I suspect that's exactly what they'd try. So it would come down to how Nnadi and Jones held their ground and if they could do enough for the guys behind them to rally to the ball.

The Franchise 01-15-2019 09:56 AM

Ward and Lucas have helped this defense immensely.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14040351)
Ward and Lucas have helped this defense immensely.

Think about that 3rd and 8ish throw to Ebron in the (IIRC) mid-2nd. The Chiefs were up 14 or 17 at that point and Luck hit Ebron about 2 yards short of the sticks. If it's Scandrick/Parker that's an easy first but Ward him him hard and stood him straight up while the rest of the D rallied to the ball and finished the tackle off to force the punt. It was one of those plays that we've seen other teams make this year and though "c'mon guys - why the hell can't we do that? That's just effort..."

Ward put his nose in there and stopped a much larger man just long enough to let the cavalry get there and gang-tackle instead of getting dragged past the marker. It was textbook and it doesn't happen with the old personnel on the field.

The Franchise 01-15-2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040383)
Think about that 3rd and 8ish throw to Ebron in the (IIRC) mid-2nd. The Chiefs were up 14 or 17 at that point and Luck hit Ebron about 2 yards short of the sticks. If it's Scandrick/Parker that's an easy first but Ward him him hard and stood him straight up while the rest of the D rallied to the ball and finished the tackle off to force the punt. It was one of those plays that we've seen other teams make this year and though "c'mon guys - why the hell can't we do that? That's just effort..."

Ward put his nose in there and stopped a much larger man just long enough to let the cavalry get there and gang-tackle instead of getting dragged past the marker. It was textbook and it doesn't happen with the old personnel on the field.

When Ebron caught that....I thought....”here we go”. But the defense attacked and stopped him. I was pleasantly surprised.

Chiefshrink 01-15-2019 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040160)
I think the 'live and die with the rush' thing is starting to get a little overplayed now that Ron Parker isn't out there blowing coverage every other snap and Ward is giving us genuinely solid play at CB2.

There were definite coverage pressures against the Colts. And Sutton had his DBs sitting back and then driving on those short routes to screw up the timing patterns as well.

If the Patriots want to try to dink and dunk all day, they might have some success there but I think we've made personnel and schematic adjustments (made possible by said personnel adjustments) that can keep that from beating us if that's all they do. Where we might get gashed is by a double move or two but that's where the increased recovery speed from Lucas comes in and the Patriots can be hurt by their lack of deep speed now that Gordon's gone.

And Jones - man I loved the way he played Saturday. He was smart and disciplined. Played within himself and kept his responsibility seemingly every play. Nnadi was fantastic and Bailey was steady. I think the front can be run-responsible as well.

Now sometimes a good RB just makes yards and Michel is showing the ability to do that. And sometimes a fantastic pass-catching back creates big-time problems, James White qualifies. There are still some matchups where we might just get physically beat, but I don't think this defense is automatically a 1-trick pony, especially not at home.

If the Pats want to try to go full Ravens and run the ball while leaning on their short passing game, I think we have some ability to deal with that better than most expect. We won't skunk them, but I think we can keep them in the low 20s.

Excellent analysis !!:clap:

Direckshun 01-15-2019 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14040351)
Ward and Lucas have helped this defense immensely.

I don't think any of us knew that when Veach made those moves at the start of the season that they'd help elevate our squad to legit Super Bowl favorite.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 01-15-2019 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 14041141)
I don't think any of us knew that when Veach made those moves at the start of the season that they'd help elevate our squad to legit Super Bowl favorite.

And people want Veach gone because Speaks sucks....

MMXcalibur 01-15-2019 01:32 PM

I'm reaaaaaaaaaaalllly hoping that Ward and Lucas pan out.

They've played very well since coming in. I know guys like to give Ward a hard time for his first game vs Seattle, but I thought Wilson was tossing perfect throws against predominantly excellent coverage (particularly on there last drive).

I would argue that Baltimore's win over the LA Chargers in Week 16 enabled this secondary resurgence over the past few games. If the Chargers beat the Ravens, Reid might be more pressured into starting the known shitty veterans (Scandrick, Parker) vs Seattle and we'd never know what we had in Ward or Lucas. (We also wouldn't have the #1 seed also.)

It's still extremely early and all of this can still go to crap, but I feel better about our defense (especially at home) then I have at any other point this season.

htismaqe 01-15-2019 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14041207)
And people want Veach gone because Speaks sucks....

Hey, Speaks actually looked decent against Indy. You take that back!

staylor26 01-15-2019 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 14041229)
I'm reaaaaaaaaaaalllly hoping that Ward and Lucas pan out.

They've played very well since coming in. I know guys like to give Ward a hard time for his first game vs Seattle, but I thought Wilson was tossing perfect throws against predominantly excellent coverage (particularly on there last drive).

I would argue that Baltimore's win over the LA Chargers in Week 16 enabled this secondary resurgence over the past few games. If the Chargers beat the Ravens, Reid might be more pressured into starting the known shitty veterans (Scandrick, Parker) vs Seattle and we'd never know what we had in Ward or Lucas. (We also wouldn't have the #1 seed also.)

It's still extremely early and all of this can still go to crap, but I feel better about our defense (especially at home) then I have at any other point this season.

Ward knew he was going to start at the beginning of the week.

Aspengc8 01-15-2019 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040329)
Boy it would sure be nice if we could yeoman's work from the men in the middle using Suttons preferred 2-4-5 looks...

I mean that's just perfect for what the Patriots would like to do IF you can get Nnadi/Jones firm up the gut while Houston/Ford maintained the edges. With a healthy DoD alongside Ragland, that formation would be awfully tough for the Patriots to have their way with unless they just pounded it up the middle.

And I suspect that's exactly what they'd try. So it would come down to how Nnadi and Jones held their ground and if they could do enough for the guys behind them to rally to the ball.

Chiefs have been playing some really good 1 high physical man with a safety in the box now that parker/scandrick are not on the field as much. They will need to do that since NE will definitely try to run the ball out of both 21 and 31 personnel. If they can supply a 4 man pass rush and play tight man, it will be a long day for Brady. If Berry is good to go, having him in the box as a secure tackler would be huge for the run game. Trying to stop the run while playing a 2 high look is a death sentence. Your asking your dline to two-gap at that point.

htismaqe 01-15-2019 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 14041258)
Chiefs have been playing some really good 1 high physical man with a safety in the box now that parker/scandrick are not on the field as much. They will need to do that since NE will definitely try to run the ball out of both 21 and 31 personnel. If they can supply a 4 man pass rush and play tight man, it will be a long day for Brady. If Berry is good to go, having him in the box as a secure tackler would be huge for the run game. Trying to stop the run while playing a 2 high look is a death sentence. Your asking your dline to two-gap at that point.

Chris Jones is playing on another level right now. I just get this feeling that he's going to be disruptive enough that they won't have to rush more than 4.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 01-15-2019 01:59 PM

If Berry is back I’d want Sorenson as a linebacker. He needs to get up there and stop the run. Drop the hammer Dirty Dan!!

Simply Red 01-15-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 14040351)
Ward and Lucas have helped this defense immensely.

Ward is going to be very above average once he blossoms

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! 01-15-2019 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 14041377)
Ward is going to be very above average once he blossoms

And we have him for 2 years!!

htismaqe 01-15-2019 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14041337)
If Berry is back I’d want Sorenson as a linebacker. He needs to get up there and stop the run. Drop the hammer Dirty Dan!!

The opposite is actually a better scenario. Plays to their strengths better.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2019 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14041455)
The opposite is actually a better scenario. Plays to their strengths better.

I still think folks have been mis-identifying Sorensen's strengths for as long as he's been here.

He's a well built white dude but he's not actually all that good in run support. Moreover, he's damn athletic. He's not John Lynch out there; he's more of a Roy Williams type. Roy was never as good as I thought he'd be because he just wasn't all that sound. But holy hell was he athletic and aggressive. He wanted to smoke folks, he wanted to go looking to lay lumber where he could but he was oft times not where he needed to be because his aggression.

Sorensen is a lot like that. People want to act like he's this stout run-support box safety and he just isn't. Or that he's a lumbering oaf in coverage and that's not right either. What he is to my eyes is an old school strong safety who is a little better in coverage than the run but not comfortable in space enough to be where he SHOULD be athletically and that's a free safety.

His tackling is often overestimated and his range/athleticism is often underestimated. He's a weird cat who can play a handful of positions but not any of them terribly well, IMO.

Dunerdr 01-15-2019 03:05 PM

can we just stop to imagine what the sack numbers would look like if we had competent coverage more often early in the year?

Toad 01-15-2019 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14040308)
We definitely should take chances. Can Tom Brady really beat us over the top at his age in the bitter cold, dry, heavy air? Contest the short stuff.

By gawd someone needs to be constantly checking the pressure on the balls
#deflategate

KChiefs1 01-19-2019 02:20 PM

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milkman 01-19-2019 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14040255)
If you can get Houston isolated on a guard, the play is essentially over.

They had Houston inside and sent Hitchens on a loop, IIRC. That pulled protection that could've helped out inside on Houston away and he just mauled that poor bastard guard (maybe it was the C). That interior lineman didn't have anywhere near the quickness to stay in front of him and Houston's hand-fighting skills are second to none.

He just slapped the punch away and ran right past him. And Houston will do that to just about any guard in the league. There were some really nice schematic adjustments/wrinkles on Saturday.

It really was a command performance pretty much across the board.

If they can generate some pressure on the interior with any combination of Jones, Nnadi, Ford and Houston, they can really disrupt what the Pats want to do on offense.

I expect that the blitz % will be the lowest we've seen in any game this season.

milkman 01-19-2019 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 14041229)
I'm reaaaaaaaaaaalllly hoping that Ward and Lucas pan out.

They've played very well since coming in. I know guys like to give Ward a hard time for his first game vs Seattle, but I thought Wilson was tossing perfect throws against predominantly excellent coverage (particularly on there last drive).

I would argue that Baltimore's win over the LA Chargers in Week 16 enabled this secondary resurgence over the past few games. If the Chargers beat the Ravens, Reid might be more pressured into starting the known shitty veterans (Scandrick, Parker) vs Seattle and we'd never know what we had in Ward or Lucas. (We also wouldn't have the #1 seed also.)

It's still extremely early and all of this can still go to crap, but I feel better















about our defense (especially at home) then I have at any other point this season.

I completely agree with you on that Seattle game.

htismaqe 01-19-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 14052501)
If they can generate some pressure on the interior with any combination of Jones, Nnadi, Ford and Houston, they can really disrupt what the Pats want to do on offense.

I expect that the blitz % will be the lowest we've seen in any game this season.

Your expectation is likely to be reality.

DJ outlined how Sutton works against the Patriots. There's going to be a lot of 3 and 4-man rushes, which people hate, but that's how you defend New England.

In the past, those fronts looked terrible because we couldn't get pressure. Now with Nnadi improving, Houston playing lights out, and Chris Jones looking like he came from another planet, they can get pressure out of those fronts.

milkman 01-19-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14052537)
Your expectation is likely to be reality.

DJ outlined how Sutton works against the Patriots. There's going to be a lot of 3 and 4-man rushes, which people hate, but that's how you defend New England.

In the past, those fronts looked terrible because we couldn't get pressure. Now with Nnadi improving, Houston playing lights out, and Chris Jones looking like he came from another planet, they can get pressure out of those fronts.

What I've hated about Sutton's scheme in the past against Brady is the soft coverage in the secondary.

I'm hoping that the emergence of Ward and Lucas. and the return of Berry has them tighter on the LOS so they can affect the timing of routes.

htismaqe 01-19-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 14052559)
What I've hated about Sutton's scheme in the past against Brady is the soft coverage in the secondary.

I'm hoping that the emergence of Ward and Lucas. and the return of Berry has them tighter on the LOS so they can affect the timing of routes.

Well until this year, his scheme worked pretty well, most likely due to the present of said Eric Berry.

I think a lot of the problems this season were compensation for lack of talent on the backend. Sutton's biggest problem was not biting the bullet and getting the young guys in earlier.

But hey, they're in the AFC Championship game. It's all hindsight at this point.


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