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Ebolapox 04-25-2018 11:19 AM

Go on record with the 2018 QB prospects
 
We're a day away from the draft and we still don't know who is even going #1. This year's crop of QB's is clearly inferior to last year's crop. Thank GOD we got Mahomes when we did!

That being said, it's time to go on record with YOUR predictions on this class. Please rank using these 3 options;

1. Bust
2. Wins a playoff game
3. With his team 10 years from now.

Here's mine:

Josh Allen - (3) He's Carson Wentz' little brother. Big guy with a big arm that comes from a tough weather environment. Would be Cleveland's best pick IMO. IF they sit him a year like Mahomes, he could be Cleveland's savior.

Josh Rosen - (2) Has the potential to be an Aaron Rodgers. Can come in right now and win. Has the brain of Aaron too. I see some team getting a gritty Kirk Cousins kinda guy. That said, he doesn't win a playoff game until his 2nd team.

Baker Mayfield - (2) Depending on the team he goes to, can win a playoff game quickly in his career. I see Mahomes in this guy with a winner mentality. Problem is, these windows in the NFL are tighter than college. Seems like all of his highlights has no defenders within 5 yards.

Sam Darnold - (1) Bust. I like the kid a lot and was even more impressed with his decision to not drink or do drugs early in life. He's driven and mature. That being said, I just have a gut feeling he's another Matt Leinert.

Lamar Jackson - (1) Bust. This guy is even more of an enigma than Mayfield. Another love/hate kinda guy. I have friends that are Louisville fans and watched him quite a bit. I never saw this guy look at more than one receiver before taking off and running. That doesn't fly in the NFL. This and the 13 on the Wunderlic says he's another Vince Young.

:)

Ebolapox 04-25-2018 11:23 AM

my actual ratings:

Josh allen: 1-bust. Not accurate enough
Josh rosen: 2-if his head is on straight, he's got a chance to carve himself out a decent career
baker mayfield-1.5- he's slightly better than bust, but he'll have an unremarkable to kyle-bollerish career
sam darnold-2.5- he'll have a decent to great career
lamar jackson-1.75- he'll have a great career at WR at the very least, maybe as much as a 2.25 as a randall cunningham-type qb

KChiefs1 04-25-2018 11:33 AM

Go on record with the 2018 QB prospects
 
Here's mine:

Josh Rosen - (2)
Baker Mayfield - (2)


Josh Allen - (1) Bust
Sam Darnold - (1) Bust




Lamar Jackson - (1) Bust



That’s the order I’d rank them too.

Frosty 04-25-2018 11:39 AM

If Rosen stays healthy, he will be the best of this bunch by far. Darnold will be the next in the line of USC busts - too many turnovers and too few starts. The rest are meh.

Bewbies 04-25-2018 11:40 AM

I like Rosen the best.

Mayfield and Allen look like busts to me. Darnold could go either way. I hope Jackson is a stud. Doubtful.

OKchiefs 04-25-2018 11:43 AM

Josh Allen is a bust, Jake Locker v2.0

Jackson won't last at QB. He'll either switch to WR or be a career backup.

BryanBusby 04-25-2018 11:45 AM

Too early to say. Would need to see where they all land.

Whoever Buffalo takes probably has the worst chance, though.

jjchieffan 04-25-2018 12:02 PM

I'm predicting that whoever the Donks take will bust.

pugsnotdrugs19 04-25-2018 12:12 PM

1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Mayfield (Probably a bust but in the right spot maybe not. Would want him to sit and be humbled)
4. Allen (Not a fan)
5. Jackson (unless he goes to a place like NE who will make it work at all costs)

BossChief 04-25-2018 12:15 PM

Rosen is Bradford
Darnold is Ryan
Allen is Lynch
Mayfield is Rivers

BryanBusby 04-25-2018 12:22 PM

I really do hope Lamar Jackson makes it, so a bunch of analysts have to eat shit. As long as its with not an AFC West team.

JakeF 04-25-2018 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 13530483)
Mayfield is Rivers

What? :eek:

KCCHIEFS27 04-25-2018 12:31 PM

Jackson will be the best out of all of them.

RunKC 04-25-2018 12:32 PM

Need to see where they land, but Rosen is easily the best talent, unfortunately he is a shit head who is made of glass.

Baker Mayfield is the most overrated. It’s not hard to look good with 1st rd caliber players and excellent coaching all around you.

JakeF 04-25-2018 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 13530502)
Jackson will be the best out of all of them.

His style is the biggest longshot out of the group. Even the original Mike Vick was never a complete QB. You think Jackson is better than Vick?

Jackson is less accurate than Allen.

Buehler445 04-25-2018 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13530504)
Need to see where they land, but Rosen is easily the best talent, unfortunately he is a shit head who is made of glass.

Baker Mayfield is the most overrated. It’s not hard to look good with 1st rd caliber players and excellent coaching all around you.

Yeah. Most of it depends on where they land.

Rosen Darnold and Mayfield can all succeed in the right place but will most likely bust hard if they are put in the wrong spot.

Mayfield may be able to overcome some stuff because that man hates losing but he needs to get the **** out of his own way before anything like that can happen.

Jackson has a long way to go.

BryanBusby 04-25-2018 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13530516)
Jackson is less accurate than Allen.

Wrong.

Willie Lanier 04-25-2018 12:48 PM

Rosen is the only QB I would want if I was a team in need of a QB...

The rest are a steaming pile of meh

BryanBusby 04-25-2018 12:50 PM

With Andy Reid, Lamar Jackson would be my top choice if we were in the market this year.

I think Andy could make him elite.

Willie Lanier 04-25-2018 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13530493)
What? :eek:

Agreed

What?!?

How on earth do you logically compare Baker Mayfield to Phillip Rivers?

O.city 04-25-2018 12:52 PM

Why is Rosen such a shithead?

Willie Lanier 04-25-2018 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13530538)
Why is Rosen such a shithead?

Because he's entitled California trash, doesn't mean he cant grow the **** up

Willie Lanier 04-25-2018 12:56 PM

Rosen is by far the best qb in this class

ToxSocks 04-25-2018 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 13530540)
Because he's entitled California trash, doesn't mean he cant grow the **** up

Very few QB's aren't entitled.

Pat Mahomes grew up the son of an MLB player. You think he didn't grow up entitled?

Willie Lanier 04-25-2018 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13530549)
Very few QB's aren't entitled.

Pat Mahomes grew up the son of an MLB player. You think he didn't grow up entitled?

I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or not; I'm saying Rosen is the only QB I personally like in thise draft, and the dentist guy asked why is rosen such a prick, to which I retorted "he's a spoiled cali kid, but THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T GROW UP AND BE A REALLY GOOD QB"

tyton75 04-25-2018 01:23 PM

Darnold - career like Flaco
Rosen - will look amazing and then get hurt all the time
Allen- Cutler/Jeff George
Mayfield - Josh McCown

Best22 04-25-2018 01:45 PM

I think they're all average at best. Mayfield may be good, though

Here's my 3 round Chiefs draft mock

54: Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado
78: Deshon Elliot, S, Texas
86: Dante Pettis, WR, Washington

That gives us two new defensive backs, plus a slot receiver

Kiimo 04-25-2018 02:35 PM

Rosen isn't entitled at all. If you're imagining Matt Leinart you need to think more Aaron Rodgers. He's arrogant and condescending but not smug and spoiled. There's a difference.

JakeF 04-25-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 13530575)
Darnold - career like Flaco
Rosen - will look amazing and then get hurt all the time
Allen- Cutler/Jeff George
Mayfield - Josh McCown

Allen is more mobile than either Cutler or George and mobility was a pretty big issue for both. I also haven't heard anything about Allen being an idiot or annoying like Cutler. I don't see it.

Accuracy is the dealbreaker for Allen.

Best22 04-25-2018 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13530549)
Very few QB's aren't entitled.

Pat Mahomes grew up the son of an MLB player. You think he didn't grow up entitled?

Everyone in America is "entitled" to some extent

It's just a matter of how much. Mahomes is cocky but he doesn't "rub people the wrong way" like Rosen does

Chris Meck 04-25-2018 03:10 PM

Rosen I think can be a top ten guy if he lands in the right place. I know you will all think I'm nuts, but I think Mayfield will be the franchise guy of the bunch IF he lands in a reasonable environment. I actually kind of want him to land in Denver because I love it when the Chiefs, Raiders, and Broncos are all competitive. Football is just more fun. So go ahead-call me an idiot, and then in three years, somebody come and look this post up. :)

rico 04-25-2018 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 13530789)
Rosen I think can be a top ten guy if he lands in the right place. I know you will all think I'm nuts, but I think Mayfield will be the franchise guy of the bunch IF he lands in a reasonable environment. I actually kind of want him to land in Denver because I love it when the Chiefs, Raiders, and Broncos are all competitive. Football is just more fun. So go ahead-call me an idiot, and then in three years, somebody come and look this post up. :)

I kind of feel the same way about Mayfield that Ryan Leaf does. Leaf said that Mayfield reminds him of himself in many ways. He said the determining factor will be how he handles failure and media being on him in case he does fail. The potential is there.

ILChief 04-25-2018 06:08 PM

Allen - bust
Rosen best of the bunch
Darnold - good but not great
Mayfield - bust

King_Chief_Fan 04-25-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 13531086)
Allen - bust
Rosen best of the bunch
Darnold - good but not great
Mayfield - bust

This

rico 04-25-2018 06:33 PM

Rosen: 3
Allen: 1
Mayfield: 2
Darnold: 2
Jackson: 1

rico 04-25-2018 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13530723)
Rosen isn't entitled at all. If you're imagining Matt Leinart you need to think more Aaron Rodgers. He's arrogant and condescending but not smug and spoiled. There's a difference.

This... he just seems very, very opinionated and vocal.

Chiefs=Champions 04-25-2018 06:40 PM

Rosen is far and away the best.
Mayfield will be an average starter.
Darnold will bust.
Allen will bust.

Chris Meck 04-25-2018 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico (Post 13530808)
I kind of feel the same way about Mayfield that Ryan Leaf does. Leaf said that Mayfield reminds him of himself in many ways. He said the determining factor will be how he handles failure and media being on him in case he does fail. The potential is there.

The difference, I think, is that he's coming out with a Tom Brady-esque chip on his shoulder. Nobody's putting him on the pedestal along with all the other QB's in this draft class. Most of them (probably 3) will go first. And from what I've seen of him and heard from him, he seems like a 'well **** you, I'll ****ing show you I belong' type of guy.

Which is good for a QB. I don't know, it's just a gut feeling that THAT kid has IT.

Red Dawg 04-25-2018 06:46 PM

What does this have to do with Mahomes?

Then why talk about it?

RealSNR 04-25-2018 06:47 PM

Allen might do okay with the right coach.

If some chode like Vance Joseph takes him, then ****ing forget it.

Chiefshrink 04-25-2018 07:05 PM

Darnold - is your blue collar over achiever in college but he will be Andy Dalton II

Allen - is a more athletic Paxton Lynch and will struggle with accuracy and the speed of the game not to mention reading defenses. He is probably the most raw out of all the QBs.

Rosen - is too Cutlarian/Rob Johnson for me and has very little fire in the belly to win. His numbers never improved throughout his college career but oh he has such a natural easy throwing motion.:rolleyes:

Mayfield - could be the next Russell Wilson but I just don't think a team is going to spend a top 4 pick overall on a 6' QB. It has never happened. On top of running a high school spread offense where all the WRs are wide open and the fact he is self-promoting attention whore doesn't help him either. But it does seem he has a fire in the belly but do GMs trust that in the first 5 picks?

Jackson - a taller thinner Vick that has accuracy issues as well.

My prediction order for the QBs in this year's draft.

Darnold will go first.
Allen will go second.

Rosen and Mayfield fall to some degree with Mayfield possibly falling to the 2nd just like Brees did because of height issues.

Rosen will go mid-first to late first because of his "pretentiousness and concussion issues" and fire in the belly issues IMHO.

Jackson will go in the 2nd and would probably go in the first IF he were open to being a WR.

BryanBusby 04-25-2018 07:57 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RT if you think you are Sexy!;)</p>&mdash; Josh Allen (@JoshAllenQB) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshAllenQB/status/103286371669655554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2011</a></blockquote>
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JD10367 04-25-2018 08:00 PM

The Patriots will pick Mason Rudolph or Kyle Lauletta, and that guy will end up being the best QB in this draft.

Buns 04-25-2018 08:20 PM

Loving that no one used OP's dumb grading scale. Keep up the good work, gents!

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 04-25-2018 08:22 PM

Bust

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-25-2018 08:51 PM

1) Shit.
2) Garbage.
3) Trash.
4) Inferior.
6) Perfect for Denver.

BossChief 04-25-2018 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 13531233)
The Patriots will pick Mason Rudolph or Kyle Lauletta, and that guy will end up being the best QB in this draft.

Speaking of entitled.

Chief Northman 04-25-2018 09:42 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Aspiring agents:<br><br>The FIRST thing you do is lock down your newly signed clients&#39; social media accounts, delete them completely and start new ones.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/989328701081964545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen’s old tweets are Geronimo Allison-level of bad <a href="https://t.co/FaLUxYR3Kg">pic.twitter.com/FaLUxYR3Kg</a></p>&mdash; Luke (BUCKS IN 6) (@theRealLT_) <a href="https://twitter.com/theRealLT_/status/989313817573298176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Buehler445 04-25-2018 10:02 PM

ZOMG ROFL

TimBone 04-25-2018 10:27 PM

I know Darnold will bust, and probably Mayfield as well.

TimBone 04-25-2018 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13531348)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Aspiring agents:<br><br>The FIRST thing you do is lock down your newly signed clients&#39; social media accounts, delete them completely and start new ones.</p>— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/989328701081964545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen’s old tweets are Geronimo Allison-level of bad <a href="https://t.co/FaLUxYR3Kg">pic.twitter.com/FaLUxYR3Kg</a></p>— Luke (BUCKS IN 6) (@theRealLT_) <a href="https://twitter.com/theRealLT_/status/989313817573298176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Meh...he was probably 14-16 when he made those tweets. No ****s given.

rico 04-25-2018 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13531348)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Aspiring agents:<br><br>The FIRST thing you do is lock down your newly signed clients&#39; social media accounts, delete them completely and start new ones.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/989328701081964545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh Allen’s old tweets are Geronimo Allison-level of bad <a href="https://t.co/FaLUxYR3Kg">pic.twitter.com/FaLUxYR3Kg</a></p>&mdash; Luke (BUCKS IN 6) (@theRealLT_) <a href="https://twitter.com/theRealLT_/status/989313817573298176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Errrmahgerd!!! Jersh Arlen’s a hermapherrrb!!!!!!

Bewbies 04-26-2018 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13531165)
Rosen - is too Cutlarian/Rob Johnson for me and has very little fire in the belly to win. His numbers never improved throughout his college career but oh he has such a natural easy throwing motion.:rolleyes:

Has no fire in his belly to win.

I had no idea you were friends with this guy and knew him personally. Interesting.

jjchieffan 04-26-2018 09:37 AM

I'm thinking that people are going to be scratching their heads in a few years about this draft class and wondering how everyone could have been so wrong. This group of quarterbacks is being overhyped as the best class since Elway, Marino, and Kelly. But I don't think that there will be a franchise quarterback in the bunch. I think that at least 2 of them will be total busts. I think that Darnold is another USC quarterback that looks better than he is because of all the talent around him. When was the last time a USC quarterback ever lived up to expectations? Mayfield may have the same issue. He's not going to have those wide open windows in the NFL. They said the same thing about Bradford, but his issue in the NFL ended up being hurt all the time. If he could have stayed healthy, he would have been fine. So maybe Mayfield has a chance. Allen will but. If you can't hit 60% in college, it's probably not getting any better in college. Rosen has the talent. But not too sure that the desire is there. If he grows up, he can be good. But he seems more likely to flake out than anything.

wazu 04-26-2018 09:52 AM

If my team were drafting a QB at top of the draft, there are three picks I’d be excited about in the following order:

1. Baker Mayfield
2. Sam Darnold
3. Josh Rosen

OKchiefs 04-26-2018 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 13531233)
The Patriots will pick Mason Rudolph or Kyle Lauletta, and that guy will end up being the best QB in this draft.

It will be glorious here in a few years when you ****s are never heard from again.

Chris Meck 04-26-2018 11:05 AM

Man. y'all remember when we were excited about Tyler Bray? ROFL

Pasta Little Brioni 04-26-2018 11:09 AM

Fire in his belly to win ROFL What a butt tucking moron

SAUTO 04-26-2018 11:49 AM

The ol butt tuckers

Pasta Little Brioni 04-26-2018 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13532068)
The ol butt tuckers

Store Brand Dane!

Buehler445 04-26-2018 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13532086)
Store Brand Dane!

Ok. This shit made me laugh hard.

MahiMike 04-26-2018 02:07 PM

I'm in a coma from watching so much analysis. You can bet the "experts" will all be wrong. Watch Lamar Jackson be the 1st guy taken tonight.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-26-2018 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rico (Post 13531418)
Errrmahgerd!!! Jersh Arlen’s a hermapherrrb!!!!!!

Mayfield and Allen are headed to Leaf country.

KChiefs1 04-27-2018 10:11 PM

I kinda hope the Chiefs draft Luke Falk tomorrow. Good value.

Rausch 04-28-2018 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13536457)
I kinda hope the Chiefs draft Luke Falk tomorrow. Good value.

Would like: DeShon Elliott or Marcus Allen ( :) ) at S.
Tarvarus McFadden or Holton Hill at CB.
Dalton Schultz or Jordan Thomas at TE.
My preferences at T/G are all gone...

ct 04-28-2018 11:34 AM

chiefs 1st round pick will be invisible, never hear from him again.


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