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Ok, I'm in the market for an AK. Don't bother with the AR vs AK thing, cuz I'm eventually going to have both. I don't want to break the bank, and I'm confused by all the different designations such as SKS, SRA, PAP, O-PAP, etc. all for guns that are all 7.62/39mm guns. Any help would be great for a gun that fits in a budget under $700.

Let er rip

Since Obama signed the sanctions against Russia the price of AK's have gone up, I do believe

Who needs a gun when you've got a headlock?

Just remember that any day that you don't have to use your AK is what you got to say is a good day.

Just personal opinion but avoid Chinese made if possible, they have pinned barrels that I am not a fan of.

Are you just wanting a 7.62 or are you not wanting to flip the $ for an AR?

Why would the Liberty strangler need an AK?

And there is a gun thread for this stuff.

WTF made you the thread Nazi?

You did.

LOL at the headlock shit. Love the memory on CP for sure. I want an AK because I want an AK. I like the reliability over the AR, and accuracy isn't an issue as I'm not hunting deer at 200 yards with it.

I ain't got that kind of money, bro.....

Yeah, but people are smaller

Have you looked into the Mini-14? .223 caliber, same as an AR so when you do get an AR you don't have to buy different ammo. Also they are reliable as it gets, can sling the shittiest ammo through them and they go and go. Not the most accurate but then again the AK isn't either. They do make a Mini-14 in 7.62 as well

I have a couple of sks. It's the forerunner to the ak, uses the same ammo. The sks has some limitations that were addressed by the ak, but I haven't had any trouble with them at all. All of those guns were made to get wet and dirty and still function under severe duty.

All you need is a double-barreled shotgun. Shoot that thing up in the air...

Look for a WASR-10, Romanian will do. The wood sucks on them but you can change the furniture out fairly cheap. The internals are pretty solid.

Oh shut up.

And I'll second the Romanian WASR-10

AK's suck ass. Buy a real gun. You can get s&w mp15's for like 600 bucks

I have a super early Chinese SKS make at the famous Factory 26. Paid $300 for it and it is phenomenal. I've got over 2k rounds through it with absolutely no issues.

LOVE that gun.

Mini 14 is my favorite rifle. The 7.62 is the Mini 30

Under 700....

I was in the market for an AK about a year ago but just couldn't bring myself to drop the cash for something I was only going to use a hand full of times. One name that kept popping up on the gun forums I was looking for information was Arsenal.</br></br>Check 'em out: http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/Rifles/

you could always consider a Mini-30 as an AK alternate as well. Love mine. Have that and a mini-14, both are reliable guns.

Some pretty good advice here. I like Mini 14/Mini 30s, YMMV - the 14 shoots the .223 (same as the AR) the Mini 30 shoots the Russian short round, same as the AK/SKS.

If you're really interested in an AK, the folks @ Arsenal are worth your time. Not the cheapest but a good product. I'd stay away from anything imported via Century Arms - way too many bad reports keep popping up.

The SKS was adopted before the AK hit the scene in Rooshia, but not by much. The Russians adopted the AK 47 for their front line combat troops and gave the SKS guns to cops, 'frontier hunters' and so on. Russia soon gave the equipment to make the SKS guns away to allies like Yugoslavia, China, etc...the Russian SKS is worth looking for over some of the others - the Chinese models are 'rode hard and put up wet', the Yugos didn't have access to chrome and their barrels wear out/wore out sooner. For my purposes the SKS was a nicer hunting rifle - good for deer-sized game. I had a clean Yugo SKS I just sold off a few weeks ago. I'll try to wave and point around here when I have stuff to sell, the stuff I sold went so fast I didn't get to use all my marketing whammy. Which probably means I didn't price it high enough. But here's a tip for you kids - buy guns cheap when gun loving Republicans are in charge, sell guns when Democrats are making noises about taking away your guns. I picked up some tidy profit following that plan, and I'm not done yet.

Here's a place that sells a lot of these kinds of guns, should give you a chance to price stuff before you hit a gun show/gun store. I've bought guns from them before and was happy w/their service & product. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/

I've got a Norinco SKS that I love to shoot. That is one of the most fun guns you can buy. Steel cased 7.62x39 is still pretty cheap too.

http://i63.tinypic.com/sqtw5j.jpg

The rifle on the bottom is my brush rifle that I've used for most of my deer hunting.
All told I've got less than $250 into it but I also started with a pre-Clinton ban Norinco SKS that I paid $60 for.

Wish you had posted this a month ago.


I just sold three of them. All under 500 bucks.

One had a stain on the stock and I sold it for 300.


Just had way too many.

Get a Verp or a Tula.

Better yet. Before you buy an AK at least go handle a Ruger mini 30. Shoots the same round as the AK.

And you didn't say anything about this predicament to your CP brothers?
We see how you are.

A WASR-10 will be your best value. I'd say it is the standard in the AK community.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0

The N-Pap's are a good choice, too. Just know that it won't take certain aftermarket parts. For example, if you ever want to change out the furniture, you'll need Yugo-specific handguards and stock.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/comp....html?Itemid=0


I happen to have one of each, although my N-Pap is the underfolder variant. I bought the WASR over a year ago (when they were over $100 cheaper) and haven't even shot it yet. Didn't find anything wrong with it during the initial inspection and cleaning. I have shot the N-Pap, and its good to go. Very accurate for an AK, but takes some getting used to shooting an underfolder.


And as people have already said, you should also consider an SKS. They are usually cheaper than an AK, fire the same ammo, and operate in similar manner. I actually prefer the SKS, which is why I have 4 of them! I've found them to be a bit more accurate, and much smoother shooting. Not as much felt recoil in my opinion. A functioning SKS in good condition with the original parts seems to be going for $300 - $350.

Sorry brother. I have a guy who will buy everything anyone wants tho sell on a usual basis ( he will get on tradio and ask for guns and ammo everyday)


If I had known someone was looking I would have talked business lol. I don't like just throwing it out there sometimes lol.

Sorry radar next time I'll pm you lol

I have both I would pick up the ak first over the ar if I had time to pick unless they were 100 yards plus from me.... go to youtube and search for a user called hickok45.... he will tell you anything and everything about any gun you can think of and demo it

Hicocks vids are great. The seem fair and impartial.
Nutnfancy's vids are not bad, though he goes a little overboard in a lot of reviews.

AR is a girl gun compared to the force of the AK

Also +1 on the WASR

If anyone doesn't know the belt loop trick ask me and I'll lay it out

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...39+UNDERFOLDER


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...x39mm+16.25%22

2nd one is WASR for $611

If you want something that looks similar to an AK but is a little different, try a VZ2008 (VZ58). I got mine from Palmetto State Armory for $400 with a cleaning kit and 3 mags.

https://youtu.be/WIRN_XKMyhI

https://youtu.be/4TexeQ0QPFU

I'd vouch for this. The Czech weapons are generally superior to the Russian versions.

'Murica.

Love my SKS bought in '93 for $70. I threw a folding stock on mine though when I bubba'd it. It's a very accurate gun.

Although the innards aren't interchangeable with AKs, are they?

The parts are NOT interchangeable.

Nope. Watch the videos. One of them shows the differences between the VZ and the AK.

:thumb: One of the smoothest shooting high powered rifles I've ever shot, especially for the price.
I bought mine at about the same time. If I had known what would take place just a few years later I'd have bought, like, five of them at that price.

Just a thought - I recently purchased a DPMS AR-10 for $800. I know - I know...DPMS is not the "hot" brand, but I have been placing groups in the three inch range at 450 yards with little effort. Actually a damn fine rifle for the money.

It came completely MIL spec. The only thing I've changed was to put a Nickel Boron BCG from Palmetto State - $200.


Just a thought.

Another thought...Cabelas routinely sells the Mosin Nagants for around $125. You will be hard pressed to find a better long range rifle cheaper than that (with the exception of the SKS).

Snoots turn their nose up at DPMS, but their bull barrels are amazing. My father has a 24" .308 that shoots 1/2" MOA, and I have a 16" 5.56 that shoots 1/2", and when the day is right it's a 2" gun at 500. Built for under $500.

Their triggers, on the other hand, are complete shit.

Well, I've narrowed it down to the C39 V2 AK or LZEN's recommendation for the VZ 58.
I've read a shit ton of professional reviews and opinions and I'll lean to the latter if I can find one that's reasonable. They seem hard to come by. In fact that is my only concern would be parts.

Cool....I was same way when I bought my AR. Have fun with it.

Asking the question as an ignorant Brit how easy is it to get hold of a Piece in the US?

I hear stories about buying them in Walmart and some banks offering them as a joining gift.

Is this true?

In Montana, Alaska, Wyoming and Texas you can get hand guns, ammo and beer from vending machines. Just swipe your EBT card and you got yourself a fully automatic Smith & Wesson revolver and Schlitz malt liquor.

Here in Kansas, you can buy ghost guns at any Quik Trip or 7-Eleven. They even come with .30-caliber clips!

Yeah, but you poor bastards still have a ban on multi-automatic-round-weapons. We don't!

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ROFL

ROFL

I have never seen a bank offer them as a gift. If you buy a gun in a retail store, you have to pass a background check. Yes, Walmart sells rifles. Still, they won't sell you one if you've been convicted of a felony or domestic violence and a number of other things.

I'll second that on the triggers. Although, I must have gotten lucky when I bought my 10 - really smooth pull, I haven't measured it yet, but it "seems" to be in the 5-7 pound range which, for a larger caliber weapon isn't bad.

My Remington .308 tops out at an even 3 pound pull. But it was ( with all the crap) twice the cost.

He's getting that from "Bowling for Columbine", that Moore fake-umentary about the "gun culture" in Murica.

http://whatculture.com/film/5-reason...ocumentary.php

Ah, ok. I have never watched any of Moore's garbage.

Yeah, not to head off into a political direction, but I saw my first Moore some twenty? Years ago. Walked out after 10 minutes. Propaganda and nothing more.

On a lighter note....my Wife and I are both in our 60s. She told me a couple of weeks ago that she wanted to get her CCW so I'm getting her a class along with a Bersa .380 for Christmas.

Anyone out there have any experience with the Bersa? Frankly, I had considered a small 9mm, but she is a petite woman and not too "comfortable" with guns - especially my Sigs (P220, P226 and SP2022). Seems like the PPK clone would fit her better.

Thoughts?

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Thanks! I appreciate the info!

I had a Bersa .380, but the ex-wife demanded one of my pistols on her way out the door. The Bersa was 'her size', the .380 is a pretty easy to shoot round. For my money, the Czech made Makarov pistols ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_82 ) was a better pistol for less money - when I bought mine. The CZ/VZ shoot the 9x18 round, the .380 is a 9x17 round. Your 9mm pistols shoot a 9x19 round. The 9x18 is loaded quite a bit hotter than the .380 and doesn't give up much to 'mild' 9mm ammo - tho' the 9mm stuff is a lot easier to find these days. The Russians used to market 9x18 stuff, cheap, but that's all being shot at Ukrainians these days. Likewise, all that surplus CZ and Russian ammo and guns are now being used by backline troops guarding captured Ukrainian territory. One more quick opinion - CZ surplus is hard to find these days because guys like me - who bought 'em for $200 when they first came out - we won't sell 'em for $400 now. They're good little Czech pistols if you can find one.

IIRC Bersa is Brazilian, but do your own homework before you spend $$$, don't just trust some old guy on the internet with a bad memory.

Thnnnkk You#!!

I have a Zastava Npap AK. It's cool looking but the underfolder is uncomfortable to shoot and it's finicky as shit about the mags i can use in it.

I have a zastava zpap m70. It has a chrome lined barrel and is my favorite gun to shoot. I prefer it over my sig sauer ar15. It was around $900. Some ppl are able to get them for more or a little less than that.

Newest family member. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_...m+5.56+nato+16