Sherman/Arenas
 

I meant to make this thread last week. I voiced a bit of frustration when we traded Arenas away to Arizona for Sherman. Our CB depth at the time was atrocious and it also seemed like we had brought in a bunch of fullbacks at that point.

I liked Arenas and thought he played decently after Routt was cut last year. Didn't see the upside in trading him for a fullback.

Well, I'm here tonight to eat a little bit of crow. Sherman has quietly become one of our standouts on offense. He's a hard hitter, his blocking is great, and he's even had some important receiving plays. It seems Charles does his best running when he's running behind Sherman as well.

I guess that's all I wanted to say. Welcome to the team Sherman. I hope you stay a while.

SHERMAN TANK!!!!!!!

Has to be close to leading in special teams tackles too. Definitely contributing well

Same here. At the time I had no idea what the point of the trade was, and like you, felt that Arenus was definitely worth keeping.

Well that worked out better than we expected.

Ya he seems like a tough SOB. Pretty glad we got him.

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Arenas has done nothing this year. 5 tackles and 0 passes defended.

I think we got the better end of that trade...

Crow eaten.

I was pissed. Now I am happy.

I had this conversation with my buddy the other day. Hardly anybody uses a fullback anymore and there are several in college. You'd think it would be plum easy to find a decent one. But prior to this season, we had been looking for one since TRich left. Ridiculous. Cost us a guy, but if we were going to cut him anyway, net win.

I'm just glad we have a decent fullback. He's no TRich, but he is a hitting son of a bitch.



mmmmmmm crow...

Pass the crow...

ya Sherman looks like a keeper! That also means we don't have to draft one every single year either! I wasn't happy either for the same reasons you stated. I'm happy to eat some crow right now

Bump! Long time, no read your dumb ****ing posts. How ya been, son?

Agreed. I was very annoyed with that trade, but it was a good trade. The Chiefs were right. I was wrong.

I thought it was a very stupid trade. Even if Sherman is playing extremely well.

I'll take good cornerback depth over a starting fullback any day. The move was saved by a great move to steal Marcus Cooper.

Doesn't matter. Arenas isn't a fit in Suttons D. His strength is zone not man. He would be no more valuable to the team than Robinson is

Uh....but Arenas wasn't good depth...and Sherman is playing well....soo, good trade yes?!? Eat crow?!? Yes.

I was as wrong as I could be on that trade.

Arenas sucks some of us tried to tell you homers

Fair point. But given how shallow we were at corner, let's face it. We are really, really lucky we were able to pull Cooper off. Imagine if we didn't.

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It seemed strange at the time, particularly since they had just taken a FB in the draft, but it's pretty clear that they took advantage of the chance to upgrade at very little expense.

Here are some interesting snap counts from PFF:

Javier Arenas (listed as a S even though he's a backup CB on Arizona's depth chart) has taken only 62 snaps for the Cardinals.

Quinten Demps and Husain Abdullah, by comparison have taken 256 and 102 snaps respectively.

Another former Chief, Glenn Dorsey, has only taken 9 snaps for San Francisco.

I don't know if either Arenas or Dorsey have had injuries this year, but they certainly haven't contributed much to their new teams.

Do you remember the moves we made to replace Arenas? Agnew? A whole bunch of other scrubs? Those were panic moves from a team that realized outside of Robinson, we were really bad at corner. We ended up a hell of a lot better because of the Sherman trade. But again, let's not count out that some luck after the fact had to do with it. If not for Marcus Cooper, when Dunta Robinson got injured, Jalil Brown was going to be our nickel guy.

I agree with that. He's been a huge blessing. IMO they would have still played press man with Brown or Parker. They were going to get a tall press type cb, project or not, and stick him out there to play how they want

I forgot to mention that Sherman is by far the highest rated FB in the league according to PFF:

1. Anthony Sherman +11.0
2. Mike Tolbert +6.4
3. Collin Mooney +5.9
4. Bruce Miller +5.8
5. John Kuhn +2.0

Pass the crow. I thought it was a dumb deal considering they used a draft pick on a Fullback.

LMAO LMAO

Was thinking about this today as well. My instinct at the time was that it wasn't a good trade. Crow eaten. Alex, it's your turn to make me do this.

Not sure where you're getting 9 for Dorsey. He's played a LOT for San Francisco (194 to be exact).

I also see 154 for Abdullah.

How can Glenn Dorsey have 15 tackles while playing only 9 snaps?

Yeah, figured that was wrong after seeing he has 15 tackles on the season.

I tried to find the number. Knew he was playing a lot. Where did you find that?

My bad. He's taken 9 at DE, but 185 at DT.

Didn't we just trade arenas this year?
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Well, at least you were close.

I honestly don't remember. Was Dorsey on IR last season?

And the other 52 Abdullah snaps came at CB.

I don't see any additional ones for Arenas though.

You just gotta let Chiefzilla roll sometimes.

yes. right after the draft or right before I don't recall that part fro sure though

I bought the bullet and paid for PFF stats a week or two ago. I'm a sucker for stats.

Yep. Abdullah started the season and ended the pre season as the starting Nickel back

For shits and giggles, where is Brandon Carr ranked? And Sean Smith.

Ah, nice. I'm sure it's worth it considering the number of times people refer to it here.

what kind of price packages they got?

Nope. 62 looks right to me.

Crow tastes decent with tabasco sauce and hint of sage.

$27 for a year or $9 for a month.

$27 for 365 days.

that's not bad at all

that's cool it doesn't end when the season does

At first, I was a bit underwhelmed. I mean, it's just semi-subjective scores given to players that don't necessarily reflect reality.

However, there are a lot of other stats in there that you can't find elsewhere like snap counts, performance under pressure, sacks given up, etc. that you just can't find anywhere else (even if they aren't guaranteed to be 100% accurate). Once I kind of figured things out a bit, it's really interesting to look at.

Arenas was traded before the preseason. We tried to replace his depth with Agnew and Kennard Cox. We were ready to walk into the season with Abdullah and Demps, two safeties, as our next depth CB. People forget that we almost walked into the regular season with really bad CB depth.
We got really lucky to find a gem in the final roster cuts.

i might have to pony up a few bucks. sounds like its worth a try

You think Dorsey wasn't aware he'd need to sign a CB through roster cuts?

:eek: Had to look twice

Lulz

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/bb/showthread.php?t=272672

No, I don't think Dorsey traded Arenas with the thinking that maybe he can get somebody's leftover CBs in the last round of cuts.

It ended up working out really well for us. But we were going to walk into the season with really bad CB depth. Dorsey hit a grand slam by signing Cooper.

WTF is with King's name change? It's weirding me out.

He is playing as well as any fullback in the league.

I'm going to miss the annual "Which third string player can we convert to a fullback?" sweepstakes the Chiefs had been running during camp. But I really like Sherman.

Set the Wayback Machine to 1995 Mr. Peabody!

Confused the hell out of me too.

lol

I'll happily eat crow on this.


Sherman has been a fantastic addition and KC was able to upgrade the slot by being able to move Flowers there.