Late night bullshit: The Pistol Offense 101
Paging Sorter, and anybody else on this board with high football acumen.
This thread is about all things Pistol. It seems the Chiefs are going with a WCO/pistol hybrid offense with Alex Smith. What is the pistol offense? What's it's core philosophy? What kind of personnel do you need for it? Why is it argued that Alex Smith would be a good fit for it, i.e. what about his skillset makes him a good match for it? What does a defense generally need to do to shut it down? Rep for any and all useful answers that illuminate the issue for yours truly. |
Chase (I'm not a fanboy of his after watching him coke against OU) is also a well suited backup for the pistol.
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To run the pistol, I believe you need at least one guy named Peter or Pete.
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I should have some plays saved somewhere that I think are from Nevada. Give me a minute.
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Geno
IIRC the episode of Gruden QB camp with Geno Smith talked about his experience with the Pistol.
I guess we will never know but it makes me wonder if Dorsey would have drafted Geno had they not traded the second away. |
This is the only one I have saved but it isn't the one I remember/was talking about. If I find the actual PB I have saved somewhere, I'll post it.
Edit: It won't let me post a PP. ****. |
Most likely to get laid in the next 180 days, Direk or R2D2 build guy?
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Meyers spread system:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/41mI1oC_gfI?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Ault's pistol system: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rmwVE7BbDDs?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Both very similar systems and similar players. Require smart, athletic QB's that can make quick read/adjustments at the line of scrimmage, particularly going from the pass to a QB run/shovel option. With the Childress hire and now having Ault doing consulting, it looks like Reid really means what he says in terms of giving Alex Smith a shot at doing the QB position to his advantage. |
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As far as personnel, it really depends on your philosophy. Are you going to incorporate the ZR/do you have a mobile QB, etc. You can run it without using the ZR and it still confuses defenses simply due to the physical alignment of the RB. Additionally, you can come out with "Diamond" looks that allow you to vary your personnel packages from "heavy" to 2RB/1TE/2WR looks from the same alignment. Any QB is a good fit for it depending on the playcalling, structure, etc. Alex could be a good fit and allow ZR options on plays due to his speed. He's underrated as a runner but nobody's confusing him with RG3. Think Aaron Rodgers. To shut down the "pistol" is like asking "How do you shut down 1-on slot?". Shutting down a formation is impossible. Shutting down plays out of it is an entirely different matter. |
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You beat it by hitting the quarterback. Hard. Early and often.
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Draw up some sweet plays in MS Paint, someone.
Yeah. I said it. Bitch. |
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All you need to run the pistol is TYLER ****ING THIGPEN.
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This thread made me do some looking. Alex is a pretty good runner. I think they did it wrong in San Fran.
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However, it seems that Reid is wanting to do it right here in Kansas City with Smith. Charles and Bowe should be absolute beasts in this offense - more so than they already have been to this point. |
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Somebody else rep Sorter, please. |
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THIGPEN + SMITH = THIGPENSMITH THIGPENSMITH = 3 3 = 2 + 1 THIGPEN = 2, SMITH = 1 2 = 1 x 2 Any questions??? |
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I also think that the reason we are bringing in RBs and fullbacks is because we are going to give teams like Denver a hard time keeping their QB on the field. Time of possession will be big this year.
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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...higpen_wk9.jpg |
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Hilarious. |
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One of the advantages of the Pistol not yet mentioned is that the tailback starts from the same 7 yards behind the LOS that he would in a conventional I. This is a big plus because the RB has the same amount of time to look for the hole as he would in the I but the defense cannot commit to an inside run quite as quickly because if they do the QB pulls the ball out and goes outside. OTOH, if the defense stays on the edge to shut down the QB going out, the OL now has a blocking advantage in the middle of the LOS. (the blocking advantage for the interior of the OL is significant) SF did this in the second half to Atlanta in the NFCC game last year and Gore gashed the Falcons big time.
Also, the Pistol creates a lot of gaps between the numbers for receivers. With so much focus being required now with an extra RB (QB) in the backfield, the LBs have to have their head on a swivel to watch for TEs crossing or going on wheel routes up the sideline. Alex Smith did run quite a few plays last season from the Pistol prior to his concussion and was very smooth in doing so. After all, he ran something very similar at Utah as was noted by the earlier video. Overall, things just happen a little bit quicker from the Pistol than from the I and the offense has one more weapon to attack from the ground. So while you never want your QB taking a lot of hits while running the ball, in most cases, when he does, he is not going to be gang tackled or absorb quite so many hard hits as a RB, at least if the reads it correctly. |
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Inverted wishbone
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Yeah that would certainly make him more qualified than Alex Smith. Seriously the ****er won one game out of 11. Or to put it in a meaningless statistic that you seem to value: He was 0 for 6 in games started where the opponent scored more than 24 points. |
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Thigpen also did diddly poo in the second halves of games.
His wild inaccuracy made receiving the ball impossible for just about everybody except Tony Gonzalez, and teams learned that you could easy neuter his scrambling ability by sending both of your pass rushers straight out against the edges to keep him in the pocket. |
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Agreed. |
Another advantage that the motion of the Pistol creates is that it allows WRs to block down on LBs and even DLs that would otherwise be too big and strong to block. However, with so much attention now being focused in the backfield immediately after the snap, the slot receiver or split end/flanker can come down unnoticed and block effectively on a much bigger opponent. By taking a blind side angle on a player heading upfield, the leverage favors the player with the better angle despite being a smaller player.
A version of this that Ault/Kaepernick ran well was a fake to the RB and then a quick toss outside. This movement kept the opponent charged with sealing the perimeter tight to the LOS and allowed the receiver blocking down to give the RB room to turn the corner. Even a relatively light (210 lb) WR can neutralize a 260+ pound defender with the angle advantage. With Charles speed and the size of the Chiefs WRs, this could be a very good series to run against aggressive defenses: think Bowe clearing deep and Baldwin blocking down on Von Miller. :) |
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Also Sorter mentioned something I was going to mention and that's the diamond formation. Kniles Davis and Jamaal Charles are both perfect backs to be on the field when/if we go to that formation. |
McCluster should get a lot of open field looks in this offense as well
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In the Alex Smith video at 0:39, he's lining up 4.5 yards deep and his halfback is offset and about 1.5 yards behind. In the Kaepernick video, he's lining up 4.5 yards deeps and his halfback is lined up 3 yards directly behind. |
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gave my girlfriend an LJ Silvers platter and asked her to marry me... she said YES!!! |
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Excellent post. Best football post of the Andy Reid era. Answers alot of my questions. Leaning toward Sunday ticket after a two year hiatus. It's a bingo.
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i still refuse to believe Andy is going to run the pistol. He didnt when he had Vick why would he do it now.
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The Pistol is basically the shotgun, with some different concepts. I don't see why it would be a big deal having Smith in it.
I don't want him running alot as I'm not really a big fan of having your franchise QB running the ball alot when he's not built like a tank ala Cam or ungodly athletic like Kaep. |
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I cant get that excited about most of our offseason but the pistol makes me jimp. Were not ahead of the curve but atleast its halfass modern.
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if he installs a fleshlight attachment into the droid |
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Concussion and the dude is done. |
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Was it actually his throwing shoulder he hurt though? I was thinking it was the other one. |
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As to concussions; a lot of players have had to sit out a week as a result of a concussion. Those are just one of the issues of the game. The concussion he sustained came on a play where he very uncharacteristically did not protect himself well when he went down. |
I hope Alex Smith's arm falls off and then before he gets a chance to re-attach it, KC Wolf runs over it on his ATV.
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Ault isn't even moving here; he's essentially acting as a consultant for us, most likely for defensive game planning.
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T0dd Haley: Offensive genius.
Chan Gailey: total idiot dumb enough to reerun our offense by implementing a college approach that will never work in the NFL... |
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Its still the best way to proceed, but not nearly as effective as it once was. |
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Where are people getting this from? From everything I've seen, he's very resilient and tends to take heavy beatings and still gets back up. He had one major injury but beyond that has been injury-free. |
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Geno Smith would have been great to run The Pistol Offense.
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