Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ense-is-great/

Worst defense i have ever seen in my 35plus years watching football. they are just bad.

Well, can't have Mahomes be the only one setting new records

Through six games, the Chiefs are the worst defense ever measured in yards allowed
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ense-is-great/

YES!!

It is going to be great when Sutton retires in 10 years. Maybe we will get a good coordinator then.

Historic paces are hard to maintain. As the schedule eases up a bit, I do expect some regression to the mean (regression being a good thing in this case).

That bad part about that is it will likely show a sign of improvement that isn’t actually there, which may secure Bob Sutton’s job for next year. The defense will then get exposed again in the playoffs, but Andy/Veach will point to the improvement throughout the year as a sign that he isn’t part of the problem.

The good thing this year is that we have the QB with elite weapons. If nothing else, we’re at least prepared offensively to win shootouts as long as we can play with a lead.

If you ain't first, you're last.

The hell is going on today with the reposts? This will be the fourth time I've had to merge them together.

Sutton is just old and awful but injuries are killing us. We haven't been 100% all year and it not going to get better anytime soon. Cincy is walking in here and let's not kid ourselves. They have a good offense that will put it on our defense.

Maybe cause I was editing mine after I posted? I see he beat me by 4 minutes.

At least the Saints did the right thing and fired Spagnuolo after one year. Seems we’re stuck with Sutton unless the owner forces Reid’s hand. Reid Likes Sutton and Sutton has Brit Reid as d-line coach. So if Sutton goes the new coordinator would probably want his own position coaches and that demotes Britt back to water boy.

Is this statistically the worst set of posts ever?

/because chiefs

Nearly 55 years for this guy. I agree, I’ve never seen anything quite like it. With a serviceable defense, this team would be unstoppable. As it stands, Reid’s only option (he isn’t going to send Sutton packing) is to try to simply outscore their opponent.

If he doesn’t can Sutton at the end of the season - I don’t know......

Sutton can add that to his owning 2 of the 4 biggest leads blown in playoff games....

But it's not Sutton.....

Nobody has said it's not Sutton.

With the new "rules", I think you'll see a spike across the board, if we haven't already.

...doesn't always equate to points. See Jax game.

I remember the William Bartee dayze!

It is maddening to watch at times but we are also top 5 in 3rd down and the red zone. Those two are far more important than yards.

****ing horrible. G-Rob horrible. Gunther as a head coach horrible. Pioli managing a football franchise horrible. Listening to Herm talk football horrible. 10 additional years of Carl Petersen horrible. Dropping Derrick Thomas in to coverage horrible.
Horrible.

Herman wouldn’t tolerate this arena league crap. He would bench Mahomes for Henne and run Ware up the centers ass all game for 2 yard gains.

A bad combination of a terrible DC and defensive personnel that was seemingly hastily patched together right before the season began.

I hate Sutton, but I did say that 2.5 of the playoff losses were not his fault. While the defense played a part in the Indy loss, the Pittsburgh and Tennessee losses were 100% Reid's fault for refusing to run the ball. All Reid had to do, especially in the Tennessee game, was run the ball. Last year we had the league's leading rusher, and an 18 second half lead.

What did Reid do? He gave said League Rushing Champion 5 effing carries in the second half. WITH AN 18 POINT LEAD.

So, I hate Sutton, and I think he is an absolute shit football coach, if Reid didn't get barbecue lodged in his arteries, cutting off oxygen to his brain, we win those two home games.

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Q from last night.

I know this defense ALSO gives up a lot of points, but why the **** are basic defensive rankings based on yards and not points? I've always thought that was ****ing bullshit.

If your team doesn't give up points, isn't it doing its job? If your defense gives up 500 yards in a game to an opposing team, but they hold them at the goal line or get turnovers on each of those drives and hold them to zero points, isn't that the ****ing point of being a defense?

One would think.

Relax y'all. Berry is day to day

I understand where you're coming from in terms of yards and points. You're correct that if your team doesn't give up points, it is doing its job, but if you're giving up that many yardage, then that tells me that they're on the field way too long than they should be (depending on the circumstances) and not getting the ball back to the offense sooner than they should.

The Chiefs are 32nd in the NFL in giving up yardage, and if they were in the 15-20 range for points given up, they would be doing their jobs, thus, the definition of mediocre/below average. Unfortunately, that is not the case, because not only they're giving up a lot of yardage, they're also giving up points as well (they're 27th in the NFL in points given up).

BUT DURBURDURR THEY NOT THAT BAD DURRR DURRR
WHEN WE GET BERRY WE TRANSFORM AND BE THE BEST

/fans in denial


At this point, just cut everyone possible and replace them all with vet min scrap heap FAs and buy more O linemen and weapons for the O

They were almost as bad last year, and homers kept saying none of it mattered because they were middle of the pack in points due to turnovers.

Of course it does matter in the postseason, against teams that finish drives and don't hand you turnovers. You can fatten up all year on the bottom half of the league but it doesn't work in January.

Sutton will still have to be fired before the ardent homers will see that the problem is the personnel, and it's going to take a few years to fix.

While I agree that the defense is awful, what does that say about, say, the Patriots? They allowed a rookie (yes I know not exactly a rookie, but close enough) to put up 31 in their house and damn near pull out the win. I think this has a ton to do with many factors, Sutton being just one:

Sutton's scheme
The players are just not that good
Our offense scores quickly and often, makes opposing offenses have to get chunk plays to keep up. NOtice how early in games the defense seems to do at least OK, but once we've gone up a score or two they implode. Not all offenses can do that, but with today's rules leaning toward benefitting offenses, more and more can simply move the ball better. The NFL wants it that way.

Look a the vaunted Jags, "best defense in the NFL". They got raped 2 weeks in a row. I know the Cowboys are good, but they are not as good as the Chiefs, and they put up 40 on the Jags.

Bend and occasionally break D

It's not good to give up lots of yards. I'm not saying that doesn't matter.

But what's more important? And if you're the NFL, why use yards over points? Because not only do points also matter, I think they're MORE important of a metric when evaluating total team defense.

bend all the way into the end zone
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The stat should be yards that end in points.

Rep

2011 pats allowed 6577yards went to sb

ppg is the only stat that matters

The chiefs have allowed 172 points in 6 games.

Geezus, it's not like KC is 10th in points allowed. They're 27th allowing almost 29 points per game. That's atrocious.

This defense is an all-time great at sucking.

They're shitty at that too. Stop making excuses you homer.
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But I keep being told by people here that this isn't anywhere near as bad as the 2003 defense, despite practically every metric pointing to the contrary.

Dumpster fire defense. Unfortunately I don’t see how they can fix it very quickly. Will take several years to build it.

We allow 30 ppg. That's good, right?

It is when we have Mahomes /homers

LMAO So true.

If I recall correctly, Sutton's most productive defenses as a Chief were 2013-2014. That would be the same period where we had Poe AND Howard along with a still serviceable Hali and DJ.
That should be enough for any D coach to work with, along with a few other players that I neglect to remember/ mention.
And yet there was nothing particularly special about those units, nothing that really stays in my memory. Certainly nothing to warrant keeping Sutton over investigating some other possibilities.
At this point I would not want Sutton overseeing a rebuild in ANY form or capacity. And I sure as **** don't want to have to rely on 50+ points a game to win against good teams either.
Nobody wants to admit that this defense has become G-Rob II much less admit that it is headed to being even worse than that. Our supposed "backbone" in Berry/Houston has been in traction to the point where no identifiable leadership can be seen from anyone on that squad, and my interest level in their output could best be described as "sitting on the pot reading National Geographic".

That has nothing to do with the yards/points metric for defensive rankings.

I’m saying yards aren’t the best measure. Period.

This is a good example in how yards allowed can cloud ones perspective in terms of overlooking the other important things done on defense like getting turnovers and preventing points in critical situations like you said.

Stats are smoke in mirrors at times bud. They don’t tell the whole story. I think its important to pay attention to both stats and the intricacies of the game. Those are the true tell tale signs of performance.

The defense last night forced a punt. They got a strip sack. They got a turnover on downs and they forced 4 field goal tries, not counting the final one.

That is way ahead of the 2003 KC no-punt playoff game vs Indy.

When the current defense has a game where they allow a TD on every possession, get back to me.

Any reason specifically that last field goal doesn't count?

I'm more into the points metric, but I should still take the yards into consideration.

Again, this is just a hypothetical scenario, but if the Chiefs were in the top 10 on yards allowed but 27th in points allowed, what does that usually tell you?

I must had missed the part where they forced a punt. I know they got turnovers and forced turnover on downs. But I don't recall ever seeing them forcing a punt.....

That the offense is terrible and/or turnover prone?

Correct, that's how I read it. My point is, I take the points metric over the yards, but I still have to consider the yards though.

That being said, the Chiefs are giving up too many yards to my liking. It just looks worse because of the fact that they are not getting much turnovers, compared to 2003. And unless they play Blake Bortles or a trash QB from the AFC South, turnovers are not going to come by in the playoffs.

Yeah, I posted it yesterday.

The 2003 Chiefs, as bad as they were, forced 37 TOs, including 25 INTs.

This defense is on pace for 24 TOs, including only 16 INTs. That's unbelievably bad considering what Bortles' 4 INTs does to the extrapolation. They have TWO INTs in 5 games.

It's Ok guys..Sutton's got this. He just needs about 4 All pros to come in from somewhere

Berry's coming back, so there's one!

Why would he come back and punish his body when he can collect the same amount of cash being a cheerleader?

#benchridahs

Lemme guess

ROFL

Some of y'all are putting a lot of eggs in this "Berry's coming back" basket. Well, I can't see him performing at a high level considering that he hasn't played since 2017, and haven't really participated in much training camp and games.

Especially considering the context. 31-12, 35-10 and 30-7.

There’s a shit load of garbage time yards that don’t matter.

Here is where I'd normally say it's pts given up that matters.

Because it is.

We are also ****ing disgusting as far as pts allowed.

Egg-zackly.

There's no way he plays at a high level this year, if he plays at all.

The Eagles gave up 600 in the SuperBowl and won... It's a different era, not that a better defense would make it more likely and would be nice to have...

Everything will be better when Sorenson gets back

Only with this defense do I get the feeling that every time the ball is snapped it is a minimum 5 yard gain! Curious to see how many negative and zero yard plays we have in relation to the rest of the league (excluding sacks).

Any random kid at Guitar Center could play better defense.

If we had the 2017 Eagles defense we'd probably go 15-1 if not better...

The Eagles gave up just over 300 yards per game for the entire 2017 season. The Super Bowl was an aberration, not the norm.

The offense has to go for it always on fourth down with this defense. No more punts or field goals.

The sad thing is, I was so ready for O’Daniel to unseat him. Now I’m actually looking forward to him coming back. This is so depressing.

What’s incredibly sad is that Reid thinks this defense could be even WORSE if we kicked Sutton to the curb. That’s the only explanation I can find in why he still has a job here.

Between the MULTIPLE playoff collapses, the years worth of shitty defense, and now the HISTORICALLY bad defense out there this season.....

...HOW DOES THIS GUY STILL HAVE A JOB?!?

SUTTON has a job because the offense is AWESOME!!! The only problem I see with the offense is them settling for field goals instead of just going for touchdowns. With a defense as bad as SUTTONS Andy and Eric just have to go for it on fourth downs regardless of where the ball is except for inside our own 40

Here's the problem.

The defense hasn't been bad for "years". It's been really bad for 1 year.

Sutton was gifted Houston, Berry, and Poe and the defense carried the team for the better part of 4 seasons.

Andy and Veach are looking at it much the same way I and many others did - when Bob had great personnel, the defense was very good. The openly said in the offseason that Bob wasn't the problem, it was the players. The players are still bad so they aren't going to blame Bob.

Nevermind the fact that part of the reason the players are bad right now is BECAUSE of Sutton.

First, the defense did not force a punt. Second, as I've mentioned in numerous other threads, the only thing people tend to point to is that ONE GAME in the playoffs. Yes, it was an abortion and historically bad, but that defense, as a whole, was nowhere near as bad as this defense. Go back and look at the numbers.

Edit: If people want to point to points given up vs. yards given up, that is essentially what this year's team should shoot for. 19th and 29th, respectively, with 37 turnovers 2003. That's the ceiling for this team. In fact, last year's defense was closer to 2003 than this year's defense is.

Our Defensive personnel is shit, but Bob Sutton accentuates the shit we see on the field. It's beyond ****ing ridiculous that this fool still has a job at 1 Arrowhead Drive.