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BlackOp 09-20-2019 04:46 AM

63 more offensive holding penalties have been called than 2018
 
I'm just posting this for posterity....and have a time stamp.

63 more offensive holding penalties have been called (77.8 percent increase) than this time last year.

This is the first season where the NFL openly admitted to having a partnership with Vegas.

You want to control the Over/Under...just call holding when a team makes a positive play.

20 penalties tonight...

Funny how people accept that NE had 0 penalties in the AFCCG vs. the Jags...then against KC in prime time....then AGAIN against the Jags. Two consecutive match-ups against the same opponent where Patriots got zero flags...has that ever happened?

If you follow the timeline...Patriots had 3 games with zero penalties in an 8 game span...over two seasons.

Titty Meat 09-20-2019 04:48 AM

Did we get Ramsey yet?

eDave 09-20-2019 04:48 AM

Damn near made tonight's game unbearable.

Tom Brady agrees.

Why Not? 09-20-2019 05:05 AM

Makes the games hard to watch. Also, they should just go ahead and ban kick and punt returns. Not sure I’ve seen one this year that hasn’t been flagged.

jaa1025 09-20-2019 05:14 AM

They've needed to address holding for a long time. I'm glad they are finally doing it. It was painful to watch last night but maybe linemen will stop holding.

eDave 09-20-2019 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jaa1025 (Post 14462584)
They've needed to address holding for a long time. I'm glad they are finally doing it. It was painful to watch last night but maybe linemen will stop holding.

What's the ratio of defensive holding vs. offensive holding? Feels like defense holds more. QBs are going to get more time.

Deberg_1990 09-20-2019 06:09 AM

Yes. Strange.

It seems like the last several years before this one they have backed off a lot on holding calls. They typically want the offenses to be successful. What gives?

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-20-2019 06:10 AM

It's a deceiving stat because Boller has already been called 63 times for holding.

notorious 09-20-2019 06:12 AM

Brady finds it hard to watch because he rarely sees holding penalties when he plays.

notorious 09-20-2019 06:15 AM

A New England linemen will come in the league as shit, get “coached up” (wink), turn into cornerstone, stalwart blockers, yet when they go to another team they return to being pieces of shit.

Yeah. Right.

stevieray 09-20-2019 06:24 AM

There have been over 600 flags two games in.

:shake:

Mecca 09-20-2019 06:26 AM

Holding is one of their "emphasis" moves of this year, especially on the backside of holding plays.

eDave 09-20-2019 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14462619)
There have been over 600 flags two games in.

:shake:

I mean, what's the point of playing?

Mecca 09-20-2019 06:30 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who are wondering ... the NFL has made increasing holding calls a priority this offseason. That’s why there so many. Has nothing to do w/less practice time or more guys w/poor technique. They are actively looking for opportunities to flag anyone for holding.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174859492120506368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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eDave 09-20-2019 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14462625)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who are wondering ... the NFL has made increasing holding calls a priority this offseason. That’s why there so many. Has nothing to do w/less practice time or more guys w/poor technique. They are actively looking for opportunities to flag anyone for holding.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174859492120506368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Refs get more control. Wonderful.

Mecca 09-20-2019 06:32 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If officials are going to be this strict with holding calls, just be prepared for the unders to keep hitting. They are clearly looking for them and it doesn’t matter anymore if the holding is near the play. Just anywhere on the field.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174855505946324993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Mecca 09-20-2019 06:35 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If we are calling this slingshot a holding, I hope the officials are just as eager to flag DTs holding us on double teams. I get it, no “lobster” blocks but this isn’t a lobster block. This is getting out of hand. <a href="https://t.co/pRcqVDHyd1">pic.twitter.com/pRcqVDHyd1</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174319776598056960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Mecca 09-20-2019 06:36 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Defensive coaches asked for more holdings to be called. Can’t be upset when they comply with the request. <a href="https://t.co/tYvEWfLVIa">https://t.co/tYvEWfLVIa</a></p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174354704664616961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Mecca 09-20-2019 06:37 AM

I think that explains where the league is with holding right now.

staylor26 09-20-2019 06:59 AM

Is that why the Steelers have been so bad? Lol

And I wonder if they’ll actually call NE’s patchwork OL consistently for it.

jjchieffan 09-20-2019 07:14 AM

Tamba Hali sees this and considers a comeback. That poor guy was held practically every play.

tatorhog 09-20-2019 07:17 AM

The OL is under more scrutiny so you have a better chance of getting sacks


oh, by the way.


Don't hit the quarterback.

-King- 09-20-2019 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 14462610)
Yes. Strange.

It seems like the last several years before this one they have backed off a lot on holding calls. They typically want the offenses to be successful. What gives?

Overcorrection because people have been saying how much the game is geared toward offense these days.

jettio 09-20-2019 07:22 AM

Most of the calls I have seen actually were holding, so complaining about the quantity and blaming it on the referees instead of the coaches and players is wrong.

Is the NFL an inner city elementary school we’re the teachers just give up on having an orderly classroom because the kids wear them down?

How about coach the players to stop cheating?

kcclone 09-20-2019 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jettio (Post 14462679)
Most of the calls I have seen actually were holding, so complaining about the quantity and blaming it on the referees instead of the coaches and players is wrong.

Is the NFL an inner city elementary school we’re the teachers just give up on having an orderly classroom because the kids wear them down?

How about coach the players to stop cheating?


If there is a holding call on every run play, eventually teams will stop running completely.

Is that a good thing for football?

As people have said for ages, there is some holding on just about every play.

If they over emphasize holding, football will quickly become 100% shotgun quick passes.

Not sure I want to see that evolution.

stevieray 09-20-2019 07:43 AM

WR's have been pushing off for a decade at least.


I mean blatant, and the refs and announcers just ignore it.

lcarus 09-20-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 14462577)
Makes the games hard to watch. Also, they should just go ahead and ban kick and punt returns. Not sure I’ve seen one this year that hasn’t been flagged.

I think that's what they're trying to do. Call a penalty on every kick and punt return to make them pointless. I hate it. They need to move kickoffs back to where they used to be. Returns are an exciting aspect of the game and they're trying to get rid of it. They say they're trying to prevent injuries but most of those special teams guys don't play otherwise so I think they're ok with the risk.

lcarus 09-20-2019 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jettio (Post 14462679)
Most of the calls I have seen actually were holding, so complaining about the quantity and blaming it on the referees instead of the coaches and players is wrong.

Is the NFL an inner city elementary school we’re the teachers just give up on having an orderly classroom because the kids wear them down?

How about coach the players to stop cheating?

They probably coach linemen to hold if they get beat. The risk of getting called for holding is better than your QB getting smashed and possibly fumbling or throwing a pick.

Halfcan 09-20-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14462625)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who are wondering ... the NFL has made increasing holding calls a priority this offseason. That’s why there so many. Has nothing to do w/less practice time or more guys w/poor technique. They are actively looking for opportunities to flag anyone for holding.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174859492120506368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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New England fans can disregard this tweet.

Don't worry fans, if Brady is so much as looked at wrong- that will still be a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty which will get you a win.

jjchieffan 09-20-2019 08:39 AM

It's funny reading the reactions of everyone that is upset about it. I just wonder if they're okay with Frank Clark and Chris Jones getting held every play, or if they were okay when it was Houston and Hali constantly being robbed of sacks by holding linemen. There is a picture floating around here of Hali literally in a chokehold and it wasn't called. Are you okay with that going on? I, for one, am glad to see them finally doing something about it.

007 09-20-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14462772)
New England fans can disregard this tweet.



Don't worry fans, if Brady is so much as looked at wrong- that will still be a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty which will get you a win.

Mr. Brady, you have some lint on your shoulder. Let me brush that off for you.

Ref throws flag for roughing the passer.

Rain Man 09-20-2019 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14462772)
New England fans can disregard this tweet.

Don't worry fans, if Brady is so much as looked at wrong- that will still be a 15 yard roughing the passer penalty which will get you a win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 14462614)
Brady finds it hard to watch because he rarely sees holding penalties when he plays.

Well, the Patriots...uh...

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 14462613)
It's a deceiving stat because Bolles has already been called 63 times for holding.

But Garrett Bolles has ... uh ...


Dang. I'm too late with all the good jokes.

jjchieffan 09-20-2019 09:03 AM

Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 10 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019

Rain Man 09-20-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14462851)
Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 12 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019


The refs don't like telling defenders to get off Tom.

patteeu 09-20-2019 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14462620)
Holding is one of their "emphasis" moves of this year, especially on the backside of holding plays.

LMAO But we know what you mean.

MahiMike 09-20-2019 09:16 AM

I KNEW it!

Iowanian 09-20-2019 09:30 AM

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crayzkirk 09-20-2019 09:31 AM

Conspiracy!

AdolfOliverBush 09-20-2019 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 14462851)
Guess how man times the Patriots have been called for holding? Twice.

In comparison, Kansas City already has been called 7 times. Jacksonville has 10 through 3 games, next highest is Washington with 8.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/...ding?year=2019

To be fair, there are several other teams with 2 holding penalties. Buffalo only has 1. Oddly, most of the teams with the fewest holding penalties are dog shit.

Rain Man 09-20-2019 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 14462939)
To be fair, there are several other teams with 2 holding penalties. Buffalo only has 1. Oddly, most of the teams with the fewest holding penalties are dog shit.

So they're only calling the holding penalties against the teams that are a threat to the Patriots. That makes a ton of sense.

I really think that 20 years from now some ref in a retirement home will fess up that the Patriots bought them all off.

Tombstone RJ 09-20-2019 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14462625)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those who are wondering ... the NFL has made increasing holding calls a priority this offseason. That’s why there so many. Has nothing to do w/less practice time or more guys w/poor technique. They are actively looking for opportunities to flag anyone for holding.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1174859492120506368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If the priority is to keep QBs healthy, that is, limit hits, why throw more flags for holding against the OL? You'd think the refs would allow tricky-tack holding by the offensive line go.

DaFace 09-20-2019 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 14462702)
WR's have been pushing off for a decade at least.


I mean blatant, and the refs and announcers just ignore it.

You can challenge that these days, so not much of an excuse anymore.

manchambo 09-20-2019 02:56 PM

It's nice to see that Garrett Bolles is only responsible for about half of the increase.


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