Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT
 

Moving on from Fisher? Probably not.

Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made.

Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft.

Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.)



https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt


It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last.

Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport.

Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal.

Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season.

Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles.

Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking.

After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway.


If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.

How exactly will they do this. Cap wise and pick wise??

Ravens fans will be big mad if we steal from Lamar to give to Mahomes LMAO

I'm guessing that a team like Jacksonville would jump at the chance to add a LT like Brown to protect TL. They have the draft capital and money available to make it happen easier then anyone else in the league. We're lacking in both those departments.

We trade for this piece of shit yet?

The reason he wants to be on the left is big $$$$$$. Pass

Time to fire this thread up

Heard he was spotted at KCI

Chiefs are about to clear big money with Fisher and Schwartz coming off the books.

$18 million.

We can afford Brown.

Ravens wouldn't trade him to us regardless even if we did have the capital to make a competitive trade offer

Do we lose the Superbowl with Brown at LT?

Why not? The Dolphins and Texans made a trade. Why wouldn't the Ravens do the same?

How many posts is this going to take?

Probably. Skill position players had their heads up their ****ing asses.

Because we own them and they're not going to help us get better.

Also, Texans Planet had a thread with 5,000 posts on the subject. We’re going to need at least that to get the deal done.

I don't think we can just clear them off the books.

Because we're still at the top of the AFC and they're not making a move to potentially strengthen our position even more. The Dolphins and Texans playing footsie in the doldrums of the AFC is different.

We cut them both. We save $18 mil against the cap. Simple.

After that, cutting Damien Williams or Anthony Hitchens will get us in the black on cap space.

Then it's up to Veach to get creative with restructuring.

Can't just cut injured players, bro.

This isn't Madden.

Both will be coming off the books in 2021, one way or the other.

Maybe it’s not a direct, apples to apples comparison, but if the Rams can find a way to dump Goff and his massive contract for Stafford (and without having any first round draft picks this year), then there is no such thing anymore as an impossible trade to make.

Only if they decide to quit. Both are under contract and have all the leverage. The Chiefs can't just cut them. Sorry.

They aren’t cutting either of those guys. Referring to Williams and Hitchens.

FYP

Why cut Damian Williams? He and CEH will be nails. We missed him this season. They won't cut Hitchens.

Tough decisions coming. Gotta get in the black somehow.

Damien is 29 years old and will want to get paid because of his SB LIV performance.

He’s under contract. The **** are you talking about?

Chiefs have no choice but to get rid of both.

One way or the other, it will happen.

Next year is his contract year which would've been this year if it wasn't for the opt out

They don't have a choice but to keep them.

They're both under contract and finished the season injured.

They can't be cut.

The players hold all the cards.

He'll be here in 2021.

Yes, and it's his last year of his contract too which is what I was inferring

So he’s going to hold out for more money in his final year?

Clay said they should cut him. I don't think there's much of a chance of that.

Do you? Or are you just saying they should wait out his contract and move on after next season?

They won't be here. The Chiefs can't afford them. Look at the cap FFS.

Injury settlement with both players most likely.

Never thought of that, but considering his family situation that could happen

I highly doubt that’s how it happens. He opted out. He’s still under contract. If he holds out....then he can get cut.

A "settlement" requires the consent of both parties.

You do realize the Chiefs can't reach an injury settlement unilaterally, right?

I know what their cap hits are. I also know that the Chiefs can't do anything until

1) the players are healthy and can be cut or
2) the players themselves decide to do something.

It really doesn't matter. This is the simplest way for them to clear the money that they need to clear.

You got a better way? LMAO

I'm saying that the Chiefs need to look at drafting or signing his replacement, because Damien shouldn't be in the plans after 2021

Extend Mathieu.
Extend Hill.
Restructure Mahomes.
Restructure Jones.

Want me to keep going?

They're probably going to have to do this as well as cut these two OTs.

Remember, cutting them only gets you barely below the cap.

I'd say you see Veach cut both OTs and do 2-3 deal restructures/extensions in order to bring in Brown and some other free agents.

This will be a fun offseason.

But make no mistake - getting rid of Fisher AND Schwartz will be the key.

And it will happen.

Mitch will retire and yes I believe we will part ways with Fisher with an injury settlement.. Cap space will have to be made somehow and there too many health questions with these two..

Makes sense for after 2021. Not for next season though IMO.

That's not the point.

It's not a way for them to clear that money at all. They can't cut them. It's not allowed.

So they'll have to find a better way or they have to HOPE the players oblige.

It's that simple.

I get you - I'd LOVE to get rid of both of them AND their cap hit. But you can't just cut injured players. The CBA doesn't allow it.

He'll figure something out. In Brian Veepe we trust!

I think Schwartz will retire as well but again, that's entirely up to him. The Chiefs can't force him to do anything.

As for Fisher, an injury settlement requires him to agree. So unless he AGREES to be cut and get paid for his injury, that won't happen.

Pass

This situation could work in our favor another way. Perhaps a team that needs a tackle that drafts in front of us will trade for Brown which increases the chance one of the blue chip tackles makes it to us at 31 in round one.

Sure, sure. They'll both be gone.

This is the way.

This is correct.

Veach will slash our offensive tackles.

And we will save eighteen million dollars.

This will happen.

Lol. Don't see the Ravens trading him to their biggest competition in the AFC and the team that is in the way of where they want to get to. The Chiefs would have to pay a FAR bigger price (draft pick wise) to get them to trade him here. The only team less likely for him to be traded to would probably be the Steelers.

That said, dude seems like he's all about the money, above all else. He doesn't sound very 'flexible' if the need were to arise. Like say, if Fish were to return and they wanted to kick him (brown) to the right side to take over for the injured (or possibly retired) Mitchell Schwartz. Not the kind of guy we need on our team.

Lol

You don't extend Hill until next year maybe. You don't restructure Mahomes when we are just entering the first year of his new deal. We just signed Jones you don't restructure him this soon either.
We could definitely Clark but they may want to move on from him after next year.
We will not be on the hook, cap wise, for all of Fishers contract. The cap hit will only be on the games he plays and the prorated signing bonus.

Didn’t mean to downvote.

I'm probably the least cap knowledgeable person on this board.

But if Veach could find a way to make this happen. I'd def be on board.

Chiefs need a LT for next year. It's that simple. Fisher will probably miss all of next season. Who knows about Schwartz. Either way...tackle desperately needs addressed this offseason.

If you're trading for Brown, it's not for next year. It means you're replacing Fisher. Not sure they're ready to do that.

No thanks

The Ravens' greatest competition is any team in the 2nd round of the playoffs

Fisher isn't lining up in red and gold next season.

There will be a new starter at LT. And probably RT.

I’d think about extending Fisher with a creative deal with a trap door after the second year.

The average of the top 10 LTs as the aav and a 5 year deal.

Spread the cap hit and ensure he stays in KC to finish his career if he’s healthy and allows us flexibility this upcoming year.

Yes it would be great to have a 31 year old LT with a history of injuries playing on a repaired achilles as Mahomes enters his prime.

That is exactly what good GMs do.

Just ****ing dump the brokedicks and be done with it.

Dump fish , Schwartz, and Ldt . Replace the right side with Durant (rg)Niang (rt). You have Alingretti at (lg) . Draft or free agent a Lt and Center.

I think so too. But I think they'll get a stop-gap at LT and wait on Fish. Not what I'd do though.

You cant cut an injured player. He'll be back by November or December.

I'm not sure how many times it has to be said but you can't cut an injured player.

Fisher and Schwartz are on this team until THEY decide not to be. The Chiefs have no say until they're healthy or they quit.

This actually doesn't matter!

Fisher will not be back.

Gone, in some way.

Keep hope alive, brother.

Yeah, I don't really care what kind of witchcraft Veach and Andy need to work on the cap. Injury settlements with both guys seems possible. They have been very loyal Chiefs and the team has been very loyal to them.

Whatever it takes, something needs to happen. I'm not watching Mahomes go into next year with two gimpy, 30+ year old tackles taking up $20 million in cap room to not even play a snap while Mike ****ing Remmers is trying to block the best edge rushers in football.

Priority 1A, 1B and 1C should be acquiring massive, road grating, ass kicking offensive linemen in any way possible. I don't care what you think our other needs are, every single one of them can be made basically irrelevant by protecting Mahomes. It literally almost brought a god damn tear to my eye watching that kid get his ass beaten down in the Super Bowl. Andy should be ashamed of himself for watching that happen.

It simply cannot be allowed ever again. End of discussion. Whatever needs to happen, I want 2 world class tackles defending Mahomes. If the Chiefs don't make that happen, they deserve whatever they get.

I am not sure why people are so keen to get rid of a Pro Bowl left tackle. I think you have to give time to recover and he should be fit for the second half of the regular season.

I agree we need to restructure his contract though.

You're going to be very disappointed this offseason.

Even if they find 5 new offensive linemen somewhere, none of them are going to be massive, road grading offensive linemen. Andy Reid doesn't even draft that type of guy.

Won't be me that's disappointed, it'll be Reid and KC when Mahomes pulls a Russell Wilson and starts nudging his way out because Andy is obsessed with these weak, unskilled 7th round project type offensive lineman for some absurd reason.

I'm sick of hearing about Andy's 'type of guys.' This isn't Andy's team anymore, it's Mahomes' team. They need to build around him with the type of players who help him the most, not the ones who fit Andy's tricky little scheme.

I'm also tired of hearing how it takes WRs 2-3 years to learn Reid's system. Then simplify the damn system. You don't need to be so complex when you have Jordan at QB. Just put the best players around him and let him win games for you.

So you want to do the antithesis of what Reid has done successfully, by adding "road-grading OL" and "simplifying the offense"? Wouldn't it just be easier if you fired Reid and brought in a coach who does things your way?

Fisher and Schwartz are cheap as **** too. Look at how much money tackles are making, they’re not expensive like the top tackles are.

I obviously do not want to fire Reid, I'm just saying it's time to just start worrying more about building around Mahomes than worrying about if they fit Reid's system. If Andy is really such a genius he can make things work.

Look at a guy like Osemele before he got hurt. He obviously wasn't an ideal fit according to what Andy generally looks for in guards, but he was by far our best interior linemen before he went down. The guy was just mauling people.

We need more like him who will actually intimidate people so they will be afraid to kick the shit out of our QB. That's all.

Correct, and if they were healthy we wouldn't be having this conversation.

We won our first Super Bowl in 50 years just 1 year ago. We made our 2nd Super Bowl in 50 years last week.

And this?

Wow dude. Maybe switch to decaf?