How do you think we going to fix DE?
One thing I learned after the pile-on I suffered in the draft forum recently is that, in lieu of the outstanding job Veach has done rebuilding the OL, we've all kind of downplayed the severity of the situation at DE.
Frank Clark is the only clearly starting DE on the roster. If he gets hurt, which he will because he always does, our starting DEs will probably be Mike Danna and Taco Charlton, with Tim Ward and Joshua Kaindoh rotating in. That's just not going to get it done, folks. I'm going to lay out some options that I can foresee, let me know what you think is most likely. |
Don’t ever doubt Veach. He always has a plan..... ALWAYS
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I'd imagine Ingram, I hope HOuston
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I went wildcard with Ryan Kerrigan.
More accomplished than Ingram, more tread on the tires (his snap counts dropped the past 2 years due to the influx of talent on Washington's DL). I think he fits the scheme nicely, too. He's basically Houston, except without the baggage with KC at this point. |
I think Jones will play outside some, but I also think that Ward, Danna, and Charlton will rotate a lot and play well. I think we're good at DE.
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I think they’ll sign someone. To me the bigger issue is 2022 and beyond. Clark should hopefully be gone after this year, but there’s really not much to replace him. Going to need to address the position with numbers next year.
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I like Veach. |
I think we're forgetting how well Turk Wharton played. Having Jones at DE makes a lot of sense
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Clark, Taco, Jones, Danna, talented upside with Kaindoh.
I don’t think it’s a total black hole. A free agent between now and the first game is still possible between post June cuts and roster cut downs. |
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I imagine Funk Britches is going to sign a vet DE soon. |
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You probably need to draft your DE early next year anyway.
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KEEP ****ING DOUBTING KAINDOH
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DE: Clark, Danna, Charlton, Ward, Kaindoh
DT: Jones, Reed, Nnadi, Wharton, Saunders Get Ingram in here on a one year deal and you’re good for this season. |
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Chiefs at 32, so I like it. |
Is Pennel gone for good, or would we bring him back? That would give us more options to move Jones and even Wharton around.
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I do think we'll see Jones playing some DE this year, but I don't see him playing much DE on third downs. He's almost unblockable at DT when he can pin his ears back on third down. He's perfected his pass rush on the inside, so I wouldn't want to take that weapon away.
We need a pass rush specialist to apply pressure from the outside on third downs. I would be surprised if we don't add someone. |
Per my earlier point, do other people see potential in Wharton as a strongside defensive end? He's small for a DT, but he's really strong with a high motor. It seems like he's got a lot of traits that would work really well at DE.
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Not saying we couldn't use an upgrade, but are we really that much worse off with the guys on the roster than we were with Kpassagnon and Okafor?
Danna had some good moments last year. So did Taco. Jones can flip over to DE. And we can always add somebody else like Ingram. Like... is that REALLY that much worse? Heck, is it any worse than we were when we won it all with Suggs, who was on his last legs? |
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Btw, you must hate Chris Jones if playoff stats are your metric. |
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LMAO At least Ford did something interesting that game. Houston continued to be a worthless ass piece of shit that did nothing of consequence
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In fact, that's pretty damned good. |
Teams throw on first down though now. I think you need more than just Ingram.
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Jesus christ, man, you guys. This is a process. We found some guys who could play some last year. We added a guy this year. We'll sign a vet that gives you something you count on, and you ****ing roll with it. Damn. You can't make every single position stocked full and two deep in elite players. It ain't Madden football. |
They've been playing with using Chris Jones at DE in some sets. He does seem to like rushing the passer more than defending the run.
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You guys are also SEVERLY underrating the impact that Jarran Reed is going to have next to Chris Jones.
Like SEVERLY. He's basically...another Chris Jones. Quickest path to the QB is right there. No pocket. Crush that ****er. Our front four is MUCH BETTER than day one 2020. |
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No reason to freak out, no one is saying they need an all pro. They need a nice solid vet. |
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I really don't see one. If Jones bumps out to end it will be in key situations or rotationally. He's still a starting DT along with Reed. |
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I’ll take “Manufactured Thing to Worry About for $800”.
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is Ryan Kerrigan getting too old now? He's had such a damn good career but the last 2 years 5.5 sacks each. But I'd take a chance on him for a good price, if we can even afford it.
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Could possibly see the Chiefs experimenting post June 1 cuts on the cheap.
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Taco was a quality pass rusher before getting hurt. Not sure if that means anything to anybody.
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He’s more of a rotational guy, plus they added Montez Sweat and Chase Young. It dropped his snap counts in 19 and 20. Don’t believe injuries were an issue. |
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Dammit Carl! |
The easiest way would be Frank Clark not sucking and coming anywhere close to earning that contract. He's still 27, even if he looks 37.
Otherwise, you're looking at next year's draft and/or free agency. |
Clearly DE is a position that Chiefs need to address after this season. Had they kept their first rounder this year, I thought there was a better chance at them selecting a DE at 31 than a LT.
What the Chiefs have is an opportunity for our young guys to emerge, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Let's see what we have, and with Daly, I'm confident our rookie will get a chance to show us what he's got. A free agent DE makes a ton of sense, I'm confident that Bart isn't satisfied with what he has. |
and with today being the first day that FA signings don't impact the comp formula I expect to see something soon.
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"Who will play that position when he's gone, though?" Anybody. I don't care. Veach cut both bookend OTs of the past 5 seasons in a single 24 hour period. We seem to be doing just fine at that position. |
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We strong, have good grammar That how I think we fix de |
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Clark needs to step up or GTFO after this season. His contract allows them to cut bait so he needs to prove his worth. They'll be fine. |
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He might as well not even be on the roster at this point because he's not dependable enough to even be on the field. |
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Sleeping on Danna, dawg.
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Seriously, dumbest grammatical thread title I've seen in a good while...
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I mean, we almost certainly get a vet, Ingram seems the most likely given he already visited.
You might even want to try and get him on a 2 year deal, to massage the cap and knowing you probably need a bridge next year too especially if Clark gets cut. |
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I think Danna will be the starter and I’m perfectly fine with that. He’s stout against the run
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I know people bring up Jones but I wonder if Wharton could be a stretch DE? Lord knows he’s got the athleticism to do it
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Spags never met a DL rotation he didn’t like... |
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Veach did say he was working on some FAs |
I picked the Suggs option. Not a fan of the Ingram deal bc he’s not a fit. Compare him to kaindoh.
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After Houston decided not to show up in the playoffs, it pretty much made up my mind that I don't want him ever wearing a Chiefs jersey again.
He had a couple really good seasons, 1 of those a REALLY good season. Then he got paid and started getting injured and then became less and less productive. I mean thats usually the way it works right lol ? |
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While I'd prefer to add Ingram or Kerrigan, it doesn't seem like it'd be the end of the world if we just platooned whoever they keep out of Charlton, Danna, Kaindoh and Ward
Reed is going to be a terror next to Jonesy, so that should help cover the lack of star power at DE |
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Sort of like an Alex Okafor who's not made of glass. That would be nice. I don't think that kind of guy is available in free agency at the moment right now, I'm just saying what I'd like to see in an ideal world. |
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Plot twist: Kaindoh is only here to be the Clark replacement, Okafors replacement is already on the roster, and they re did his deal last year after seeing Danna in training camp. |
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But it also seems like a good idea, if possible, to hedge against Clarks diminishing returns Last season was his fewest sacks since his rookie year... so if he keeps fading in 2021, we're left with little pass rush pop at either end |
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I mean, maybe here and there in select circumstances... but the fact is he's simply not a natural DE |
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