http://thinkprogress.org/culture/201...ctive-failed/#

Decent essay on the disappointment, but I enjoyed the finale immensely despite the objections. I was too entranced by what happened to worry all that much about what didn't, and I still largely don't care.

Good article about next season:

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/10/what...tive_season_2/
What’s going on with “True Detective” Season 2?
HBO hasn't officially ordered it yet, but the show creator has outlined some vague plans for the next season

It’s rare for a television show — especially a drama that becomes a hit in its first season — to totally scrap its existing characters and story line to start anew in Season 2. But that’s what “True Detective” is doing — at least, that is what it seems to be doing, based on the few clues that show creator Nic Pizzolatto has shared with television critics in recent interviews.

HitFix’s Alan Sepinwall notes that HBO hasn’t officially ordered Season 2
yet — again, a stalling that’s rare for a hit series so popular that it brings down its hosts site — but surmises that this is “because I suspect HBO is waiting until they’ve signed the actors they want before announcing.”

There are a few things we do know about Season 2 of “True Detective,” however: Pizzolatto is currently “fleshing it out,” he told EW, and it will be about “hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system.”

And the Chicago Tribune claims that Matthew McConaughey, who played detective Rust Cohle alongside Woody Harrelson as Marty Hart, won’t be back:

The show was always intended as an anthology with a new story each season. The surprise survival of both Rust Cohle and Marty Hart at the end of Season 1 suggested at least one could return, someday. But McConaughey has said he never planned to stay beyond one season. “It was a 450-page film, is what it was,” McConaughey said of the show’s first season during a January Television Critics Association panel. “It was also finite. It didn’t mean we had to come back this year, next year if we were under contract. It was finite. So in that way it was exactly a 450-page film script.”

Cohle and Hart are probably not coming back, but Pizzolatto has retained the literary rights to his protagonists. “So maybe you will see Cohle and Hart novels down the road after Hollywood kicks me out. Always a possibility,” he told EW.


And it’s not just the cast and story that will change — the entire directorial style, overseen in Season 1 by Cary Fukunaga, is likely to change, too. Pizzolatto told BuzzFeed via email:

We don’t have any plans to work with one director again. It would be impossible to do this yearly as we need to be able to do post while we’re still filming, like any other show. There’s some great guys I’ve consulted, and we’re all confident we can achieve the same consistency. Going forward, I want the show’s aesthetic to remain determinedly naturalistic, with room for silences and vastness, and an emphasis on landscape and culture. And I hope a story that presents new characters in a new place with authenticity and resonance and an authorial voice consistent with this season. Dominant colors will change. South Louisiana was green and burnished gold.

It seems like the freshman show is already being gutted, left with skeletal remains that, once filled in again, might not even resemble its original form. One thing that we do know about Season 1 that will carry over from season 2 — perhaps the most important thing — is that the philosophical detective drama will continue with the same spirit — “keep being strange.”

“Don’t play the next one straight,” Pizzolatto told HitFix.

This is really good.

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That's the big issue with folks trying to find clues that don't exist. I thought the conclusion was fantastic, the final scene with the killer was exceptional.

I don't know how anybody could be disappointed with this series finale.

Oh, and because we haven't given it enough attention: "L'chaim, fat ass" was perfect.

I'll be honest. That was lost on me.

Help me out?

I think you can piece some things together. I am pretty sure that the Yellow King and his half sister were probably abused and molested by the Tuttle clan.

Well, we know the Yellow King was abused the old black lady says his scars were something his daddy did to him.

It's a Jewish toast, meaning "to life". He was more or less saying "Peace out, fatass", just with more style.

The show was never about the bad guys, it was always straight forward with them having them killed quickly several times before. The unclean resolutions were about how bad the good guys are, that never changed.

I was fully satisfied with the finale. People looking for some grand examination of the minutiae of the torture club were bound to be dissatisfied. The ending gave us a killer and kept alive the idea of the conspiracy without wasting our time showing us exactly who was involved when. But more importantly, we got the immensely gratifying conversion of Cohle at the end. That was a hell of a scene.
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Nice. Thank you.

BUT I WANTZ TO KNOW WHY HART's TEENAGE DAUGHTER WAS INTO MULTIPLE SEXUAL PARTNERZ!!!!

Watch that little "inside the episode" clip and it explains what the creators were thinking. I liked the finale, and probably shouldn't have needed to see that to solidify it for me. But it kinda did.

Yeah, most series finales are extremely disappointing. Not seeing or hinting that the Tuttles will go down and the daughters weird behavior are not a finale killer.

It was a great show and finale. I'm just glad they didn't become lumberjacks.

I tivo'ed all 8 episodes and put them all on DVD. Woot!

meeeehhhhhhhhhh It's down a ways for me.

Deleted Scene: Rust and Lori break up.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/true...up-1201130309/

I can't recall the last time I was this interested in a Blu Ray release- not only for the extras and deleted scenes, but also hopefully for the commentary with the writer, director, and principal cast.

Because that wouldn't make for good TV drama. Come on. :LOL:

Short answer: Rust wasn't going to trust other people to finish off the evil. It was a personal quest for him, and he felt like he was the one who had to confront it and destroy it.

Yep. Rust wasn't in it to wait on back up.

Behold, the Real life story and church rumored to be the basis for Season 1.

**

I haven't commented since the finale. I have purposely ruminated on my thoughts and feelings for about a week so that I would not be accused of having a knee jerk reaction, but that was a poor ending.

The season finale has certainly proven to be divisive in some circles. To me, though, they couldn't have ended it much better.

those interviews pieces of the show were some multi layered acting showcase for him. So much going on. I always thought he was playing them. Seeing what they knew. It was interesting watching it from that angle.

Anybody want a new season showcasing the two black detectives? I think the only weakness is that we didn't see much of their characters.

Is Woody and Matthew coming back for season 2?

Nope. Each season is its own story with new actors.

Technically, Woody hasn't weighed in on it, but I won't be holding my breath over it.

I did read one piece penned by a critic making the case for how the last episode very much laid the tracks for further exposition now that we've witnessed the reaffirmation and resurrection of Rust. Contrast that with Marty in an emotional spiral and truly believing NO ONE would visit him laid up in the Hospital. Rust would have been the one previously, but for all he knew and would reasonably have deduced Rust died at the scene, Carcosa.

There's actually some strong truth to Marty's demons being no less grand. He's just better at blending.

That was the plan but I'm seeing "stuff" out on the intrawebs that may be changing. It's not going to be Woody and MM again but some of the characters may make appearances like Woody but new story line and female leads.

If it is female detectives it has to be at least a 90's era story line.

Rewatching with wife. Very satisfying to rewatch without worrying about going down all the rabbit holes and focusing mainly on The relationship between the detectives. Seeing how ****ed Rust was mentally and spiritually while knowing where he will eventually end up is gratifying. Chasing all the crazy possibilities sort of made me forget how horribly nihilistic Rust was, so it's cool to see it again.

I think the heaviest revelation at the end is that all of Rust's obvious damage and struggle and basic screwed-up-edness of his whole life is based on something they didn't show us until the very end: grief. Looking back, it's so obvious that he built this entire psychic castle of sorts inside his mind, layering level upon level of philosophical coping mechanisms, none of which seemed to work. In the end, he had to just come around and get the closure on his own terms, which he did, and it saved him.

Brilliant screenwriting.

I thought Rust being "saved" after he had a near death experience where he communed with the spirits of his dead daughter and father was inconsistent screenwriting at best, but if that's something you're into, more power to you.

I liked the scene in that it kind of fit into his metaphysical beliefs, but I thought it was a little too neatly wrapped up. I get it though, being the last episode and all.

The second half of this series was at best average story telling. It was a huge disappointment when coupled with Pizzolatto saying that his story would change crime dramas. The ending was a cop out. NP was too weak and couldn't kill off his characters. Rust should have died. If he had said all of his light/darkness shit (which is a straight rip off of Allen Moore's Top 10 comics - as in down to the line) while dying on Marty's lap, it would have been so much stronger of an ending. Instead we get the typical "happy ending" bullshit that goes against the entire tone and style of the show. Honestly, the more I think about it, I actually hate the ending. Especially when I consider how they caught the killer... "Does that house look like it was freshly painted?" WTF is that... Come on... Seriously? That is what the show comes down to?

Actually, it was pretty easy to discern whe he mentioned the tragedy of his daughter and uneasy relationship with his Dad in episode 2.

LOL, that reminded me of the bracelet wearing "WWJD" assholes in high school.

I realize that it's generally a waste of time to try to convince someone on the internet to like something that they don't like, so this is probably an exercise in futility, but I just thought I'd put my two cents in here. I only read a few NP interviews, and I didn't see where he said that this show would change crime dramas. If he really said that, then he's an idiot because there's no way you can make that statement and come out on top.

But I don't think he needed to kill off those characters. Maybe in real life, two cops show up there and get their hearts cut out by the yellow king. But in real life, a cop would not have had the profound soliloquies that Rust had leading up to the finale. Nor would a cop with the I-cheated-on-my-wife-and-ruined-my-family storyline be so compelling absent the depth that Woody Harrelson added through his acting. So real life doesn't really matter here. It's a TV show, and what matters is the storytelling about these characters.

I'll grant that the "break" in the case was particularly flimsy, but in my mind, that's not what "the show really [came] down to." Instead, it came down to a character who tried as hard as he could to build psychological defenses to cope with life. He tried to reason away a world that could kill his daughter and ruin his love. He tried to use this approach to cope with a job that confronted him with drug dealers, wife beaters, child abusers, and murderers. But in the end, no matter how hard he tried, there was a tiny sliver of him that wanted to believe in something greater -- something positive and loving. So when he was near death, regardless of whether he actually experienced this or not, he believed that he "felt" the presence of his daughter and his father. I don't think we have to believe in higher powers to buy into this scene. All we have to believe is that Rust felt it. And if he felt it, what does it matter if it was "real" or not? The important part is that he still had a part of him that wanted to believe in something better, and that part of him ultimately won despite all of the pessimism and nihilism that he presented as a front.

And that pretty much sums up the human condition. We all that know we are going to die. Some of us turn to religion to cope with this, while others turn to nihilism, or maybe some other sort of compromise. None of that particularly matters because in the end, no matter what coping mechanism we choose, we'll all likely reserve a tiny sliver of ourselves to believe in something greater and hope that the light can win out. Some part of us will always want to confirm that we are a part of something bigger, so that way we can make sense of our lives. Rust is just like everyone else, only he made a bigger effort to deny it.

Even if you don't believe in this sappy stuff, it can at least provide a compelling premise for a TV show in this day and age. That's why I didn't particularly care that the show took convenient shortcuts to address the larger themes. Sure not every facet of the conspiracy was exposed, and the break in their case was ultra-convenient, but this wasn't a story about glorifying crime solving skills -- it was about people.

I'm not sure how Cohle immediately dying after his self-realization would have made the show/ending any better. It just sounds like you had an idea in your mind of what this show was and an expectation of how it should end and it didn't turn out to be anything like what you thought it would be. That isn't on the writer, he stayed true to his storytelling.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-wat...f4wgcmOtAv2.99

Agreed my brotha'. But this wasn't a training film...

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Personally, I think that's an awesome way to do a show. The writers can take the show in so many different directions. Plus they can attract top actors/actresses to play the characters because it's low commitment.

American Horror Story kind of does that, but uses mostly the same actors each season, just in different roles. If you don't like the season, you know it's going to be a different story line the next season.

Time is a flat circle

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Jeffy puts antlers on Dolly....

http://timeisaflatcircus.tumblr.com/

The wife was giving me shit the other day as we drove around. I was pretty proud of myself when I told her the car should be considered a place of silent reflection.

How is True Detective ive heard about it but Ive never seen it

Sucks. Totally terrible.

Lame dialogue. Uninspired directing. "Meh" cinematography. Flat acting by the main characters.
Skip it...

_edit_****ing quick draw Bowser :)

Very similar to Golden Girls.

I always thought it was quite a bit like Turner and Hooch, but without the dog.

It's sort of like Cagney and Lacey but with men.

Turner and Hooch with Matthew McConaughey playing the part of Hooch

I thought it was more like 21 jump street
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It's like the wire meets dexter meets matlock by way of inspector clouseau.

Fer****ssakes, just watch a clip

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...d-fats/2768598

More like Inspector Gadget.... Without the gadgets.

I have re-thought this.

It's a lot like Sanford and Son.
Except without Sanford.

Or his son.

It's like Knight Rider, except the car doesn't talk.

It's actually a lot like SNL, except they knew how to write endings for their scenes.

It's like Schindler's List without the Jews.

It's like Cheers, without Carla, Norm, Frazier, Coach, Sam, Dianne, or Rebecca.

Picture Airwolf, only starring Jerry O'Connell and Tim Kazurinsky.

And no helicopters.

Kind of like Swamp Men, but with detectives

Like American Pickers, except they only pick in rural Louisiana

It's like Dragnet, except Gannon buys Quaaludes from Hookers and Friday gets blowjobs from court reporters.

It's like Look Who's Talking Too, except the baby grows up to be a whore.

Silence of the lambs with a nice pair of titties and some fancy cinematography.

It's like Top Gun, but instead of dying in a plane crash, Goose gets raped by a werewolf.

No. There's no smoke. Neither Martys daughter nor Cohles daughter were involved. I went and read the comments in this thread and im stunned so many of you thought Maggie, Marty, or Rust was involved. Never at any point did I think any of them were involved, especially Maggie or Marty. This isn't about the Yellow King necessarily.It's about two very different, flawed men, and their relationship with themselves and the world. It's a beautiful piece with so much character development.

Cohle has so many awesome quotes I don't even know where to begin. I hope there is some website full of them somewhere

You mean because he lost the list, possibly left it in another pair of pants at home- or at the cleaners, maybe?

Or, like he got distracted, kept procrastinating on starting it, and feels kinda sore about it when everyone was summarily killed overnight unannounced, and now he's really kickin' himself over that one?

Yes

Thought so.

HBO.com or HBOGo.com - should have them all.

'True Detective' Season Two to Feature Three Leads, California Locale

Showrunner Nic Pizzolatto hopes to capture "a certain psychosphere ambience" with the new season

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By Kory Grow
May 27, 2014 11:51 AM ET
True Detective creator Nic Pizzolatto has provided a few more details about the series' second season. Now that the story concerning Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson's characters has ended, the next season will focus on a different set of characters. "Right now, we’re working with three leads," he told To the Best of Our Knowledge, via Uproxx. "It takes place in California – not Los Angeles, but some of the lesser known venues of California and we're going to try to capture a certain psychosphere ambience of the place, much like we did with Season One."

5 things We Learned From 'True Detective'

Pizzolatto said he was "deeply in love" with his three new characters and that he has already broken down the season. Despite rumors of actors attached to the show (notably Jessica Chastain), he hopes to begin casting in the coming month.

In March, the showrunner told HitFix that the second season would be about "hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system." At the time, he added, "I need to keep being strange – don't play the next one straight."

In his interview with To the Best of Our Knowledge, he explained his philosophy behind the show as a whole. "In True Detective, the world itself is the crime," he said, as reported by Vulture. "The world itself is poison; there's something ruinous at work here. The poison at the root of the world is humanity."

When True Detective's first season came to a close in March, the show proved to be so popular that it caused the streaming service HBO Go to crash. At the time, it was estimated that around 38 percent of all HBO Go subscribers had logged in, hoping to watch the episode.