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The Franchise 02-09-2024 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17389171)
The question you should ask is this: would the Chiefs Super Bowl teams from 2019 and 2022 win 2 straight road games in Buffalo and Baltimore?

Winning on the road in the playoffs has always been about defense. From the Steelers, Patriots, Bucs with Tom to this years Chiefs.

Gun to my head I try my best to fill the cap keeping Chris and Sneed (Chris will decide a lot of that too) while using the draft to get more offensive weapons.

LT will be the key though. That's tough.

Could you do it? Sure. But it's going to severely hinder your team moving forward.

You would need to restructure Mahomes at the highest amount and then cut MVS and Omenihu. That puts you at $77 million in cap space. You have to figure that Jones' cap hit is going to be close to $30 million. You might be able to lower it to something like $25 million in the first year but that only makes the ones later larger. Even if you franchise tag Sneed, that's still $18 million.

That gives us 43 players under contract. 48 if you bring back all of the ERFA players. That's around $25 million to fill out your roster.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-09-2024 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17389171)
The question you should ask is this: would the Chiefs Super Bowl teams from 2019 and 2022 win 2 straight road games in Buffalo and Baltimore?

Winning on the road in the playoffs has always been about defense. From the Steelers, Patriots, Bucs with Tom to this years Chiefs.

Gun to my head I try my best to fill the cap keeping Chris and Sneed (Chris will decide a lot of that too) while using the draft to get more offensive weapons.

LT will be the key though. That's tough.

Devil's advocate - 2019 and 2022 teams played well enough in the RS to not have to go on the road while also securing the BYE.

So maybe next year that road warrior run isn't necessary to begin with if the offense doesn't **** around all year.

O.city 02-09-2024 11:59 AM

The key is gonna be for Pat to play the regular season like he's played this postseason or better and for the WR's to hang on to the football.

Keep building the defense and draft offense.

The Franchise 02-09-2024 12:26 PM

They more than likely aren't cutting Moore and Toney has guaranteed money. That puts your WR group next year as:

Rashee Rice
MVS
Justin Watson
Skyy Moore
Kadarius Toney
Justyn Ross
Shi Smith

If MVS is a cap casualty, which is no guarantee, then you're more than likely adding 2 guys max to that room. I highly doubt that one of those guys is going to be a high dollar FA. You're maybe looking at a mid level FA and a draft pick.

Coogs 02-09-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17389287)
They more than likely aren't cutting Moore and Toney has guaranteed money. That puts your WR group next year as:

Rashee Rice
MVS
Justin Watson
Skyy Moore
Kadarius Toney
Justyn Ross
Shi Smith

If MVS is a cap casualty, which is no guarantee, then you're more than likely adding 2 guys max to that room. I highly doubt that one of those guys is going to be a high dollar FA. You're maybe looking at a mid level FA and a draft pick.

The WR room needs to go back to 5 like in past years. The offense started playing better late in the season when WRBC went by the way side. That needs to happen in September

RunKC 02-09-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17389196)
Devil's advocate - 2019 and 2022 teams played well enough in the RS to not have to go on the road while also securing the BYE.

So maybe next year that road warrior run isn't necessary to begin with if the offense doesn't **** around all year.

Yeah I think the defense probably looks a lot like last years if we lose Chris. We gave up more than 27 points 5X including the SB.

Basically you have an above average debatable 10 top defense but with a far better offense that can score 30+ if it needs to.

Feels like the happy medium we should shoot for here is a balanced team with with slightly more to the offense. So basically the 2022 team.

Hoover 02-09-2024 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 17389164)
I don't think anyone knows when Chris Jones will slow down, might not be this year but if you're signing him to a deal around 3-4 years it's likely by year 3 or 4 he's making around $35-40 million on a backloaded deal and is nowhere near that level of player at that point. I just don't think it's wise to be sinking $30 million a year on a 30 year-old player based on past performance. You won't completely replace him but between the draft and FA I think you can get 75% of his impact split between multiple players and you decrease your risk from sinking so much money into a single player who is more likely to get injured at his age.

I also don't think anything has changed in the postseason in regard to WR play. The only difference is they pared down the rotation at WR, aside from Rice the WR room still needs a significant infusion of talent. I don't think anybody is suggesting we necessarily go out and spend $18-20 million a year on someone like Evans or Higgins, but several (including myself) are suggesting we sign someone like Mooney or Hollywood Brown which will likely take somewhere in the range of $10-15 million a year. Need to draft 1-2 as well. Not sure how you are able to afford a WR at that price range if you're extending both Sneed and Jones in addition to maybe signing Smith again at LT and other depth pieces that will be needed.

I don't have any faith that Mooney or Brown are going to get the targets it will take to justify their contract. At best whatever WR holds down than spot is going to get less than 75 targets, so you better spending accordingly.

Pitt Gorilla 02-09-2024 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 17388163)
"It's extremely hard because you have two keystone players there.''

Code for: We can't keep them both.

Code for: We're keeping LJS.

Pitt Gorilla 02-09-2024 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17389250)
The key is gonna be for Pat to play the regular season like he's played this postseason or better and for the WR's to hang on to the football.

Keep building the defense and draft offense.

No reason to go all-out in the regular season, especially with what should be one of the toughest schedules in the league (again). As I noted prior to this season, win enough to get in and I like our chances. The truth is we could play lights out all season long and STILL not get the #1 due to schedule, luck, etc. Treat it like the NBA regular season and then win a Chip. Rinse. Repeat.

Mecca 02-09-2024 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17389351)
I don't have any faith that Mooney or Brown are going to get the targets it will take to justify their contract. At best whatever WR holds down than spot is going to get less than 75 targets, so you better spending accordingly.

Hollywood Browns spotrac projection is 14 mill per.

Pitt Gorilla 02-09-2024 03:31 PM

I also think the Tranquil gameplan will pay off again with other players. Hey, come sign with KC and get a ring!

See Red and think Super Bowl(s).

Refried 02-09-2024 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17389287)
They more than likely aren't cutting Moore and Toney has guaranteed money. That puts your WR group next year as:

Rashee Rice
MVS
Justin Watson
Skyy Moore
Kadarius Toney
Justyn Ross
Shi Smith

If MVS is a cap casualty, which is no guarantee, then you're more than likely adding 2 guys max to that room. I highly doubt that one of those guys is going to be a high dollar FA. You're maybe looking at a mid level FA and a draft pick.

Man I hope you are wrong. Would be nice to bring in another solid #2

MahomesKnows 02-09-2024 06:07 PM

I'm thinking we'll sign a guy like Curtis Samuel and spend a high pick on WR. Samuel isn't a burner but he's sure handed and has been healthy the past year. I think you can pair him with Rice and draft a speed WR.

poolboy 02-09-2024 06:12 PM

Bringing in a high dollar, free agent receiver that demands the ball, is not the way
Pat seems to like the youngers, so he can build

OKchiefs 02-09-2024 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 17389351)
I don't have any faith that Mooney or Brown are going to get the targets it will take to justify their contract. At best whatever WR holds down than spot is going to get less than 75 targets, so you better spending accordingly.

Why at best? MVS had 81 targets last year, Juju had 101, Kelce 152. Kelce will likely see his usage continue to go down towards 100-120 targets IMO, Rice should be good for 100-120, little reason to expect our WR2 to not be capable of 80-90 targets.


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