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O.city 01-25-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14072406)
The only reason that I can come up with is that it would have been a hard sell that you’re switching QBs and defensive schemes all in one offseason. Fans like us would have understood it but I don’t think a majority of your typical fans would.

Maybe

Just weird shit

Dante84 01-25-2019 02:07 PM

Hey, Giants, we'll give you Ford for Collins

RunKC 01-25-2019 02:08 PM

My thing is why did we draft Tanoh? There is clearly a dissenting opinion there. You can’t draft a guy for one system and then continue to employ a DC that runs another making said investment obsolete.

Just a disaster. You can’t blow early picks like this and be successful

duncan_idaho 01-25-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14072320)
He won’t sign, he holds the leverage.



And he knows once released he can cash in. I tried telling people this, but Nooooo. Other teams will wait for release


He doesn’t have to sign.

Chiefs make the non exclusive franchise tag.

If he doesn’t sign the franchise tag offer, the Chiefs get two first-round comp picks from the team he does sign with. This provision kills his negotiating stance with teams in FA, who have to pay money and give up 6-8 years of cheap 1st-round production to get him, too.

If he signs, he gets the money, guaranteed, and can either play or be traded with a lucrative extension in the works.

If he doesn’t sign the tag and sits out all year, Chiefs can do same thing again next year.

Marcellus 01-25-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 14071906)
All I'm getting from reading this is that we tag and trade Ford.

You got that from this?

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Weak-side defensive end - The Weak-side defensive end — also called the “LEO” — in the 4-3 Under is typically the best pass rusher on the team. Putting his hand in the dirt, this defender is responsible for weak-side run contain opposite the tight end and getting after the quarterback. With the Chiefs current personnel, this would be an easy fill for Dee Ford. Limited coverage responsibility, ability to set an edge, and — most importantly — a great pass rusher are all things that we’ve seen from Dee Ford this season.

saphojunkie 01-25-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Showtime (Post 14072360)
He has all the leverage buddy. He can wait to sign tag till week 9 of next year. Did you not see what Bell just did.

Lose out on a year of 8 digit earning?

ChiefsCountry 01-25-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14072406)
The only reason that I can come up with is that it would have been a hard sell that you’re switching QBs and defensive schemes all in one offseason. Fans like us would have understood it but I don’t think a majority of your typical fans would.

Or the team didn't think Mahomes would turn into the GOAT in year 1 is the more likely answer.

Marcellus 01-25-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14072343)
Ignoring the fact where he’s already publically states that he has no problem getting tagged?

He has repeatedly stated he would play under the franchise tag if necessary.Thats a ton of $$ and he isnt moron like Bell.

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 02:20 PM

I don't mind Houston at SAM but I think his pass rush skills would be better suited at RDE, where he can line up, beat the tackle and kill. I'd think with his health history he'll last longer just mostly dealing with one blocker, no downblocks, or getting squeezed.
I like a line of: Speaks-Nnati-Jones-Houston with Kpass and Wiliams as rotational guys.
I'd like to tag and trade Ford.
I think a decent SAM would be easy to fill in FA and relatively inexpensively as they're not going to have big sack numbers or special athletic abilities. Lunch pail guys.
Hitch in the middle, where he can flow and attack, and DoD where he's got Jones and Houston in front of him and he can just key on backs and slot guys.

It's also worth noting-one of the things that Spags did a lot with the Giants was move linemen around flip flopping spots to get match-ups they liked and to confused the OL. So while we might set this as one way for the "starters" any play could have any one of the 4 down linemen in any spot if that's part of his scheme again.


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saphojunkie 01-25-2019 02:21 PM

if the Chiefs release Dee Ford, he will sign a contract that in all likelihood nets a 3rd round comp pick.

If they tag and trade him, the best they are getting is a second rounder. That's your window - bottom of the third to top of the second. Personally, I can't see a team giving up a high second round pick for a player who is going to cost a hell of a lot more than a rookie would at the same position. If I'm a GM, I am going to keep my second and try to find that same player at age 21 on a cheap contract.

Our best bet is tagging/trading Ford and landing a high third rounder instead of a comp pick, which comes at the end of the round. Maybe someone gets desperate and gives up a second, but with the young pass rushers on the market this year, I don't see why.

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14072437)
He has repeatedly stated he would play under the franchise tag if necessary.Thats a ton of $$ and he isnt moron like Bell.

Yup. That and people need to stop using bell as some shining example. He lost a ton of money this year. Worse, he lost a ton of money on his next contract because nobody wants to pay big coin for that kind of diva. Collect the franchise tag and get paid. Be a good sport and someone will reward you on the next contract. Ford seeks like a good enough dude to take that path.

Mecca 01-25-2019 02:31 PM

Bell did it because he's a RB, he realized if the Steelers pounded him into the ground he would never get paid again.

I don't fault him for it, he's playing the long game of, by not taking this 15 million think I can get 35 million.

Mecca 01-25-2019 02:32 PM

You know if this team were to franchise Ford...that is a shit ton of money tied up in 3 defensive players that frankly aren't all that productive.

We'd have a really highly paid defense that sucks balls...**** we already have that it'd just be even more well paid.

O.city 01-25-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 14072436)
Or the team didn't think Mahomes would turn into the GOAT in year 1 is the more likely answer.

This would be my guess

Chris Meck 01-25-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14072381)
So Tanoh Kpassagnon didn’t see the field bc of Bob ****ing Sutton.

Nate Bukaty on 810 interview with Grunny (19:30)

“I will tell you there are people in the organization who will tell you they are frustrated that Bob Sutton tried getting Tanoh Kpassagnon to play like an OLB at 6’7” and dropping him into coverage like Houston and Ford bc that’s what the scheme calls for. Tanoh is built to be a DE. That’s a terrible fit for him. I know people in the organization thought he’d fit in a 4-3.”

This was one of my biggest issues with Sutton. He'd try to ram square pegs into round holes. YOU MUST FIT INTO MY SCHEME

rather than making schematic adjustments to take advantage of player's skillsets.

Contrast that with Belichick. This is his biggest strength-he looks around at what he's got and then figures out how to best use the talent he has to work with. It's why the Patriots are different all the time-but they win.


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