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ThaVirus 03-22-2024 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 17453727)
I would take Trevor Lawrence over Lamar any day. He’s still young and you could make the argument the Urban Meyer debacle stunted his rookie season. This year he took a bit of a step back although injuries may have played a role but I really liked what I saw from him the season before where he led the Jags to a huge comeback win over the Chargers in the playoffs something Lamar only wishes he could accomplish. I still think Lawrence has a chance to have a good career.

You got me curious so I looked into it.

Trevor is only 24.

Interesting tidbit: Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are all 27. Burrow is actually older than Jackson despite being drafted two years later! Crazy.

EDIT: Mahomes is only 28 but he’ll turn 29 basically a week into the season.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2024 09:07 AM

Trevor's still very young.

But man, he's really not developing much.

Through 3 seasons in the league the only difference between what Lawrence has done and what Daniel Jones did was volume.

But go ahead and adjust for volume and the numbers are pretty startling. And you can do that by comparing Jones first 4 seasons to Lawrence's first 3:

Jones -- 53 starts, 1113/1740 for 11,603 yards and a 60/34 TD/INT rate
Lawrence -- 50 starts, 1116/1750 for 11,770 yards and a 58/39 TD/INT rate

Now I'm not saying that Lawrence can't improve, but man he HAS to. He's just been a pillar of mediocrity through three seasons. When you don't have to do a whole hell of a lot to make Daniel Jones look like your equal, that has to be disconcerting for "The best QB prospect in a generation..."

This season was a massive disappointment for Lawrence and if he does it again, you have to start to wonder if he's even a top 10 quarterback in the league long-term.

KobesPilot 03-22-2024 09:08 AM

Running back QBs have short lived careers anyway. What I don't get is why everyone was so excited about the RB they just signed? Seems like a huge waste of money when your QB is practically your RB

Wisconsin_Chief 03-22-2024 09:11 AM

Thread should honestly be locked, this isn't a thing anymore and never will be again.

Hammock Parties 03-22-2024 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KobesPilot (Post 17453772)
Running back QBs have short lived careers anyway. What I don't get is why everyone was so excited about the RB they just signed? Seems like a huge waste of money when your QB is practically your RB

80% of Ravens fans buy Madden MUT packs

Indian Chief 03-22-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17453770)
Jones -- 53 starts, 1113/1740 for 11,603 yards and a 60/34 TD/INT rate
Lawrence -- 50 starts, 1116/1750 for 11,770 yards and a 58/39 TD/INT rate

My brain knew this, but man, to see the numbers laid out like that is different. Whenever the Chiefs play the Jags, I'm never afraid of what Lawrence will do. I guess this puts a fine point on that feeling.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Chief (Post 17453794)
My brain knew this, but man, to see the numbers laid out like that is different. Whenever the Chiefs play the Jags, I'm never afraid of what Lawrence will do. I guess this puts a fine point on that feeling.

Exact reaction I had.

Saw those and just thought "Wow - I knew he was a little disappointing, but not Daniel Jones disappointing..."

But when you think about that game we played against them, it's not really all that surprising. Kid was flat out bad in that game. He left so many points on the field. His soph season showed some promising signs but even with the increased coaching stability and the addition of Ridley last year, he seemed to regress.

This is a MASSIVE season for Trevor Lawrence.

Coochie liquor 03-22-2024 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17452319)
The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.

The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.

The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).

The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.

What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best.

I’d say the flu game was an F game. I think he would too. That was just catastrophic!!

Coogs 03-22-2024 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17453754)
You got me curious so I looked into it.

Trevor is only 24.

Interesting tidbit: Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are all 27. Burrow is actually older than Jackson despite being drafted two years later! Crazy.

EDIT: Mahomes is only 28 but he’ll turn 29 basically a week into the season.

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28, and basically 2 plays away from 6 straight Super Bowls. We are living the life fellas!!!

Rausch 03-22-2024 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17454458)
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28, and basically 2 plays away from 6 straight Super Bowls. We are living the life fellas!!!

He'll have 11 Super Bowls before he's done...

Mosbonian 03-22-2024 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17452319)
The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.

The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.

The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).

The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.

What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best.

The only thing I would add is the Mahomes Mentality...in any version of Mahomes and Allen the deciding factor is Mahomes under pressure gets more focused and the will to win is stronger. With Allen when adversity hits he can get nervous, less focused and he let's doubt creep in.

And now Mahomes is in his head...no doubt.

notorious 03-22-2024 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17454463)
He'll have 11 Super Bowls before he's done...

After what Reid and Mahomes have done together I can't see why you are so pessimistic.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-22-2024 08:21 PM

Disagree on one point "Nuclear A Game" Mahomes has never been replicated in NFL history, so no As aren't "even"

Pablo 04-04-2024 06:19 PM

Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes
 
Lamar doesn’t just get by on his athletic ability. Just look at a genius at work describing an old photo shoot

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Bowser 04-04-2024 06:31 PM

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