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Fansy the Famous Bard 01-26-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13383004)
Really poor team management :rolleyes:
https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam...2283_th_45.jpg

We had a stars aligning moment that I'm grateful to have experienced. That doesn't negate the decades of Baird, Robinson, Pioli, King_Carl, and even DM has shown he is a bonehead from time to time. Although, for the most part his 12 years is forgiven for a WS title mixed in there.

ChiefsCountry 01-26-2018 01:53 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alcides Escobar&#39;s deal with the Royals is for $2.5 million.</p>&mdash; Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/956976379853144064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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TomBarndtsTwin 01-26-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13383383)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alcides Escobar&#39;s deal with the Royals is for $2.5 million.</p>&mdash; Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/956976379853144064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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If it’s 1 year for 2.5 mil, that makes me feel a lot better about it.

That being said, I’d still rather see Mondesi starting at SS full time this year.

Dartgod 01-26-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13383383)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alcides Escobar&#39;s deal with the Royals is for $2.5 million.</p>&mdash; Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/956976379853144064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How many years? Three?

TomBarndtsTwin 01-26-2018 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13383360)
We had a stars aligning moment that I'm grateful to have experienced. That doesn't negate the decades of Baird, Robinson, Pioli, King_Carl, and even DM has shown he is a bonehead from time to time. Although, for the most part his 12 years is forgiven for a WS title mixed in there.

Dayton has a 7 year window to redo “the process”, as far as I’m concerned. Those two WS trips bought him a lot of capital. If he can get them built back up to a WS caliber team by then, he has a lifetime pass here and probably a statue at some point. If they’re still stuck in a perpetual rebuild trying to figure out what to do, then he can GTFO at that point.

Sure-Oz 01-26-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 13383389)
If it’s 1 year for 2.5 mil, that makes me feel a lot better about it.

That being said, I’d still rather see Mondesi starting at SS full time this year.

Haven't seen confirmation but that is what I assume

siberian khatru 01-26-2018 02:12 PM

Just gonna leave this here and back away:

Rebuilding Teams Should Call the Royals on Raul Mondesi

by Eric Longenhagen - January 26, 2018



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I elicited opinions from several scouts and executives this morning regarding Mondesi, and their responses have made the picture a little more complex, one of a talented but erratic performer with makeup issues. They agree Mondesi has premium physical ability. He’s a 70-grade runner who goes from base to base with breathtaking explosion and has the range to play in the middle of the diamond. He also has plus bat speed and puts a surprising charge into the ball despite his size.

But Mondesi is an aggressive free-swinger who doesn’t take great at-bats, and scouts have mixed opinions about his bat control and the way he incorporates the rest of his body into his swing. There’s concern about his bat translating to the majors at all, let alone in a way that compares to what Mondesi has done at Triple-A.

The term “makeup” might have different meanings from scout to scout. In Mondesi’s case, evaluators are concerned about his defensive consistency, especially as it pertains to throwing accuracy, and have seen him fail to execute routine plays. Others were not thrilled with what they saw from Mondesi as he worked back into playing shape following his PED suspension in Arizona, citing poor effort and on-field focus which they particularly disliked in an environment laden with young, impressionable teenagers./QUOTE]

Kansas City’s Mondesi situation is further complicated by the emergence of SS Nicky Lopez, who, after a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League, many scouts have projected as an eventual everyday shortstop. He’s probably two years away from reaching the majors, and it looks to me like the Escobar deal is a bridge to Lopez rather than Mondesi. Perhaps the solution here is a move to center field for Mondesi. His speed is more than sufficient there, but that would require a crash course in the minors, and Mondesi’s infield play doesn’t inspire confidence in his ability to learn and execute that quickly.

As a change-of-scenery reclamation project — which is an odd sentence fragment to write about a 22-year old — I think Mondesi is pretty interesting. ...

But if I’m running a team in that situation, I’m calling the Royals today to find out what it might take to acquire a rare talent who seems to have fallen out of favor with his parent org, even if that talent has some clear issues.

duncan_idaho 01-26-2018 02:16 PM

If they are confident they can convert Mondesi into an elite defensive CF, I can certainly live with that.

The Escobar deal being so small is totally fine. They wouldn't have been able to sign an "insurance" SS for much less than that.


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siberian khatru 01-26-2018 02:33 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dayton on Esky&#39;s role: &quot;He&#39;ll play Shortstop. Mondy, although he had a breakout year in AAA, there&#39;s still some questions with durability. We need to see that but he&#39;ll get an opportunity to compete at second base again. If he doesn&#39;t win a job, he&#39;ll be back at AAA to develop.&quot;</p>&mdash; 610 Sports Radio- KC (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/956983299322335233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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BigCatDaddy 01-26-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13383468)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dayton on Esky&#39;s role: &quot;He&#39;ll play Shortstop. Mondy, although he had a breakout year in AAA, there&#39;s still some questions with durability. We need to see that but he&#39;ll get an opportunity to compete at second base again. If he doesn&#39;t win a job, he&#39;ll be back at AAA to develop.&quot;</p>&mdash; 610 Sports Radio- KC (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/956983299322335233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Weird..Ue obviously isnt beating out Whit so one has to move to CF.

cosmo20002 01-26-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13383468)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dayton on Esky&#39;s role: &quot;He&#39;ll play Shortstop. Mondy, although he had a breakout year in AAA, there&#39;s still some questions with durability. We need to see that but he&#39;ll get an opportunity to compete at second base again. If he doesn&#39;t win a job, he&#39;ll be back at AAA to develop.&quot;</p>&mdash; 610 Sports Radio- KC (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/956983299322335233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Questions about durability? That's a weird response.
Sounds like he's slated to be a back up/utility guy, which wouldn't necessarily be horrible if he can hit a little.
We'll also likely have an opening at 3rd he could complete for.

DeepSouth 01-26-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13383441)
If they are confident they can convert Mondesi into an elite defensive CF, I can certainly live with that.

The Escobar deal being so small is totally fine. They wouldn't have been able to sign an "insurance" SS for much less than that.

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Or, if Nicky Lopez is the SS of the future, Escobar holds it down until Lopez arrives. Let Mondesi bat .300 in Omaha again to raise his trade value.

nychief 01-26-2018 03:19 PM

I mean the question with Mondi is...well, it isn't a question... he can't ****ing hit. But neither can Hercules. I guess if we are going to lose 100 games, I'd rather do it with Mondi learning at the big league level than the downside of Escobar's career.

duncan_idaho 01-26-2018 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 13383561)
I mean the question with Mondi is...well, it isn't a question... he can't ****ing hit. But neither can Hercules. I guess if we are going to lose 100 games, I'd rather do it with Mondi learning at the big league level than the downside of Escobar's career.


Way to early to make that distinction.

He has a tremendous tool set (bat speed, barrel control, hand-eye).

A few hundred ABs when he had been rushed to the major leagues too soon is not close to enough to make a call about.

George Brett had a sub-.600 OPS at a similar stage in his development. Thank the gods they didn't give up on him then.

Al Bundy 01-26-2018 03:34 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> SP Nate Karns on his former Texas Tech pal Patrick Mahomes: &quot;Dude. Stud. He&#39;s got a bazooka. Alex Smith better watch his back because he&#39;s coming...&quot;</p>&mdash; 610 Sports Radio- KC (@610SportsKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC/status/957003336305270789?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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