Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 14072653)

Nelson is really the victim of being targeted so much. He had a good stop rate, but because he was targeted so damn much the cameras also caught him giving up catches a lot.

He's an average player that sometimes has a total breakdown for one reason or another. I think they got their value from him at that draft slot and I'd probably leave it at that with him and let him sign a big deal somewhere else.


His cap figure is where it's at today in large because of restructures into a bonus and kicking his can down the road. Looking at OTC right now, he has a base of 15.2 for 2019 and I think he wouldn't struggle to match that in an open market where all the top edge guys aren't on it.

He would definitely get a figure way North of what his base would be if the Chiefs were to cut his salary enough to have a comfortable cap charge this season. That's without beginning to even factor in, what if he doesn't translate well in the change? A down year and flipping over to the wrong side of 30 would be a crusher when the Chiefs release him next year, which would be a total lock in any situation sans an extension.

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 14072631)

We traded down 8 years.

Not sure if Spags is young enough for today's defensive tasks and offensive schemes

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14072709)

The uncertainty of his fit in the 4-3 is definitely a wrench. The Chiefs may not want to extend him if they don't know his fit.

What's a fair comparison? aybe Jason Pierre-Paul or Calais Campbell? (Ryan Kerrigan / Clay Matthews in a 3-4). $60M players. So we ask Houston to take a $60M contract with a $15M bonus. Houston makes the same amount of money this year but now he's virtually guaranteed until retirement. We save money (potentially a lot in year 1). Win win.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14073003)

I’ll donate $50 to CP if a mod changes BleedingRed to BleedingVagina

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14073007)

Because I bring up valid points?

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14073022)

Yeah sure.....it's because of that. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 14072973)

Everyone is like - you can't pay Ford because he's a one hit wonder. Well Jones is too to some degree. I have a theory that some of these guys risk it and get on some performance enhancers before their contract year. But then they go back to just being good. Jones came in completely jacked this year. If he was always some super low bodyfat freak I wouldn't be as suspicious.

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14073037)

Sorry I’m not excited for a defensive rebuild?

I mean spare me “we have the personal” that’s TBD, like I said many times would have preferred any 3-4 coach

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14073065)

How ****ing stubborn are you gonna be about this?

The 3-4 and 4-3 under are extremely similar and yet the 4-3 under still puts our current personnel in a better position to do what each player does best. But even beyond that, they’re not even in the base defense for a huge chunk of the time. Holy ****, dude.

You act like they would have been better off keeping the exact same playbook that Sutton instituted and just changing the coach. It’s silly.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14073065)

How ****ing stubborn are you gonna be about this?

The 3-4 and 4-3 under are extremely similar and yet the 4-3 under still puts our current personnel in a better position to do what each player does best. But even beyond that, they’re not even in the base defense for a huge chunk of the time. Holy ****, dude.

You act like they would have been better off keeping the exact same playbook that Sutton instituted and just changing the coach. It’s silly.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14073109)

I’m not being stubborn I’m stating facts that 2 of your 3 top pass rushers are now question marks. Jesus