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BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559875)
Kennedy’s winning percentage with the Royals is .378. That would be 61-101 for a season. I’m not able to see what KC’s winning percentage is in games that he has started, but I’d imagine it is a little higher. He seams to be really bad early. Did he really only face 4 batters last year after throwing 60 pitches?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/split...8864/year/2017

Brian Andersen? (sp?)

BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 02:50 PM

Anderson regressed in 2004, pitching poorly throughout the season. His record was 6–12 with a career high 5.64 ERA in 166 innings.

BigCatDaddy 05-17-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13559961)
Remember that they traded away 5 minor league pitchers in 2015 for Zobrist and Cueto. They also traded away AJ Puckett, another Royals draft pick, last year for Melky Cabrera when they were trying to put together another playoff run. Even though Manaea is the only one that's really panning out, they were still mortgaging the future with those trades and now the Royals are getting the receipt for that with an empty farm system.

This post if full of contradictions. 1 guy pans out and they mortgaged the future of the team?

BWillie 05-17-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559732)
Much worse than the Gordon contract.

Would have been a great contract if MLB didn't juice the ball. Ian Kennedy is as fly ball pitcher as there is. On paper, it was a smart signing. MLB ****ed us is what happened.

RealSNR 05-17-2018 04:00 PM

Flags fly forever.

I'll take one ring over all the successful seasons the Indians have had over the past 2-3 decades.

WhawhaWhat 05-17-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13560031)
This post if full of contradictions. 1 guy pans out and they mortgaged the future of the team?

We'll see how Brandon Finnegan comes back from from his shoulder injury. But the Royals would have been better off in 2018 with Manaea in the rotation, Finnegan either in the rotation or the bullpen and John Lamb still in the system and potentially at the MLB level.

It was still a good trade despite what the team is now without them.

That's also not to mention Ventura dying which there was no way to plan for.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13560114)
Would have been a great contract if MLB didn't juice the ball. Ian Kennedy is as fly ball pitcher as there is. On paper, it was a smart signing. MLB ****ed us is what happened.


Getting caught with a fly ball heavy staff when MLB juiced the ball at the same time as everyone started adjusting his swing for additional loft was a pretty brutal confluence of events.

It definitely hurt Kennedy, and he’s not the only one.

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559852)
Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.



- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.

-Not trading Duffy

- Signing Gordon and Kennedy

- Horrible in the draft



I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.


Moore hasn’t been as good in the draft as he needs to be to keep waves rolling in to KC, but he also has enough success to be considered better than “horrible.” He has performed well with large bonus pools, or when he has the flexibility to overpay slot for some key players. That’s the situation this year.

They also have done very well in the past 2 drafts. Pratto, Melendez, Lee, Tillo, Zuber, Gigliotti, Lopez, etc.

Trading Danny Duffy is a lot harder in real life than in MlB the Show. If they had found a package that was valuable enough to move him, they would have. Offers were lackluster for him over the winter.

When you trade an established player with years of control left at reasonable prices, you have to get enough value back to mitigate the risk of giving them up.

Jose Martinez was a mistake.

Gordon and Kennedy are mistakes in hindsight, though the Kennedy deal was questioned widely when it happened. Gordon’s was not.

Both of those were attempts to maximize contention window in 16 and 17. Kennedy paid off expectations in 16, though the rest of the team did not.

It’s easy to critique the Gordon deal in hindsight but intellectually dishonest to act like it looked like a bad deal when completed.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 04:26 PM

And as for deadline returns ... they’ll get some useful pieces but will need more of a scouting win type to really make it pay off.

Teams just don’t pay for rentals like they used to. Prospects are too valued now. Herrera should fetch a fringe 100 prospect type. That can boom into much more, quickly.

Seuly Matias is a great example of that type of guy. He made one top 100 coming into this year and is almost assuredly going to be on all of them next time around.

SAUTO 05-17-2018 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13560115)
Flags fly forever.

I'll take one ring over all the successful seasons the Indians have had over the past 2-3 decades.

8 days a week

For 2.5 seasons the royals played the best ball of any team in baseball

Pitt Gorilla 05-17-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13559982)
Two pennants and a championship ring.

Yeah, they couldn’t have done that without Kennedy.

Al Bundy 05-17-2018 05:17 PM

I bet this weekend we start seeing the Blue Spring's Yankees fans once again.

jimidollar 05-17-2018 06:20 PM

By how much will the Yanks outscore the Royals this weekend? 10? 15? 20? 25?

siberian khatru 05-17-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 13560274)
By how much will the Yanks outscore the Royals this weekend? 10? 15? 20? 25?

I put the over/under on Yankee home runs this weekend at 10.5.

lewdog 05-17-2018 07:00 PM

I haven't been this embarrassed by a team since I was a fan of the Chiefs.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13560179)
I bet this weekend we start seeing the Blue Spring's Yankees fans once again.


You spelled Johnson County wrong.


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