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siberian khatru 02-12-2021 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15546737)
Won't be me that's disappointed, it'll be Reid and KC when Mahomes pulls a Russell Wilson and starts nudging his way out because Andy is obsessed with these weak, unskilled 7th round project type offensive lineman for some absurd reason.

I'm sick of hearing about Andy's 'type of guys.' This isn't Andy's team anymore, it's Mahomes' team. They need to build around him with the type of players who help him the most, not the ones who fit Andy's tricky little scheme.

I'm also tired of hearing how it takes WRs 2-3 years to learn Reid's system. Then simplify the damn system. You don't need to be so complex when you have Jordan at QB. Just put the best players around him and let him win games for you.
So you want to do the antithesis of what Reid has done successfully, by adding "road-grading OL" and "simplifying the offense"? Wouldn't it just be easier if you fired Reid and brought in a coach who does things your way?

Sofa King 02-12-2021 09:21 AM
Fisher and Schwartz are cheap as **** too. Look at how much money tackles are making, they’re not expensive like the top tackles are.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-12-2021 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 15546743)
So you want to do the antithesis of what Reid has done successfully, by adding "road-grading OL" and "simplifying the offense"? Wouldn't it just be easier if you fired Reid and brought in a coach who does things your way?
I obviously do not want to fire Reid, I'm just saying it's time to just start worrying more about building around Mahomes than worrying about if they fit Reid's system. If Andy is really such a genius he can make things work.

Look at a guy like Osemele before he got hurt. He obviously wasn't an ideal fit according to what Andy generally looks for in guards, but he was by far our best interior linemen before he went down. The guy was just mauling people.

We need more like him who will actually intimidate people so they will be afraid to kick the shit out of our QB. That's all.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-12-2021 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 15546754)
Fisher and Schwartz are cheap as **** too. Look at how much money tackles are making, they’re not expensive like the top tackles are.
Correct, and if they were healthy we wouldn't be having this conversation.

htismaqe 02-12-2021 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15546737)
Won't be me that's disappointed, it'll be Reid and KC when Mahomes pulls a Russell Wilson and starts nudging his way out because Andy is obsessed with these weak, unskilled 7th round project type offensive lineman for some absurd reason.

I'm sick of hearing about Andy's 'type of guys.' This isn't Andy's team anymore, it's Mahomes' team. They need to build around him with the type of players who help him the most, not the ones who fit Andy's tricky little scheme.

I'm also tired of hearing how it takes WRs 2-3 years to learn Reid's system. Then simplify the damn system. You don't need to be so complex when you have Jordan at QB. Just put the best players around him and let him win games for you.
We won our first Super Bowl in 50 years just 1 year ago. We made our 2nd Super Bowl in 50 years last week.

And this?

Wow dude. Maybe switch to decaf?

htismaqe 02-12-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15546772)
I obviously do not want to fire Reid, I'm just saying it's time to just start worrying more about building around Mahomes than worrying about if they fit Reid's system. If Andy is really such a genius he can make things work.

Look at a guy like Osemele before he got hurt. He obviously wasn't an ideal fit according to what Andy generally looks for in guards, but he was by far our best interior linemen before he went down. The guy was just mauling people.

We need more like him who will actually intimidate people so they will be afraid to kick the shit out of our QB. That's all.
Keleche Osemele was a college left tackle. He's not a mauler and never was. Does he play with power? Yes, but he's a finesse player that happens to have size and strength.

staylor26 02-12-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15546772)
I obviously do not want to fire Reid, I'm just saying it's time to just start worrying more about building around Mahomes than worrying about if they fit Reid's system. If Andy is really such a genius he can make things work.

Look at a guy like Osemele before he got hurt. He obviously wasn't an ideal fit according to what Andy generally looks for in guards, but he was by far our best interior linemen before he went down. The guy was just mauling people.

We need more like him who will actually intimidate people so they will be afraid to kick the shit out of our QB. That's all.
:facepalm:

The Franchise 02-12-2021 11:39 AM
This isn’t Andy’s team? It’s Mahomes team?

Come on now.

duncan_idaho 02-12-2021 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 15544002)
You don't extend Hill until next year maybe. You don't restructure Mahomes when we are just entering the first year of his new deal. We just signed Jones you don't restructure him this soon either.
We could definitely Clark but they may want to move on from him after next year.
We will not be on the hook, cap wise, for all of Fishers contract. The cap hit will only be on the games he plays and the prorated signing bonus.

With the way Mahomes and Jones deals were created - with no signing bonuses - they are ripe for immediate restructures.

If they had just signed with huge signing bonuses, yeah, it would be too painful to restructure a year later.

But those deals were made mid-pandemic, when it was clear the 21 cap might be affected. The Chiefs planned ahead.

They can easily restructure those guys and clear $25M in cap room.

Hill’s deal was very team-friendly and didn’t feature a large signing bonus. He could have a few years racked on, too.

Extend Mathieu a few years.

And there’s the cap room.

The most beneficial situation for Fisher is probably working out a small extension with KC that gives him time to rehab and doesn’t drop him into FA the year after he blew his Achilles.

htismaqe 02-12-2021 11:44 AM
I'd leave Clark's contract alone and let him hit FA after 2021.

Chris Meck 02-12-2021 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15547063)
I'd leave Clark's contract alone and let him hit FA after 2021.
Yup.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-12-2021 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15547048)
We won our first Super Bowl in 50 years just 1 year ago. We made our 2nd Super Bowl in 50 years last week.

And this?

Wow dude. Maybe switch to decaf?
Yes, I'm a little riled up after watching our once in a generation QB get pulverized to an extent that I never want to see again. I don't want to 'wait' on Fisher and Schwartz and just plug in some rookie or mid tier free agent hoping those guys will be back up to form when odds are they will never get back to where they were.

Yes, I'm a little upset with Andy for watching our tackles get beaten in an embarrassing fashion while doing nothing to help them. It was utterly ridiculous.

All I'm basically getting at is we need to prioritize o-line over anything this offseason and I'd like to see Andy show a little flexibility in his system so we don't have to be so particular with OL and WR and can just plug and play talented guys. That's all.

htismaqe 02-12-2021 01:01 PM
I'm sure they'll put some work into the offensive line.

But the priority has to be the team, not one unit.

They're not going to sell the farm to overhaul the offensive line. I'm sure they'll make moves but if you're expecting them to move mountains, I wouldn't.

DT#58 02-12-2021 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 15546626)
Yeah, I don't really care what kind of witchcraft Veach and Andy need to work on the cap. Injury settlements with both guys seems possible. They have been very loyal Chiefs and the team has been very loyal to them.

Whatever it takes, something needs to happen. I'm not watching Mahomes go into next year with two gimpy, 30+ year old tackles taking up $20 million in cap room to not even play a snap while Mike ****ing Remmers is trying to block the best edge rushers in football.

Priority 1A, 1B and 1C should be acquiring massive, road grating, ass kicking offensive linemen in any way possible. I don't care what you think our other needs are, every single one of them can be made basically irrelevant by protecting Mahomes. It literally almost brought a god damn tear to my eye watching that kid get his ass beaten down in the Super Bowl. Andy should be ashamed of himself for watching that happen.

It simply cannot be allowed ever again. End of discussion. Whatever needs to happen, I want 2 world class tackles defending Mahomes. If the Chiefs don't make that happen, they deserve whatever they get.
Yes, the top priority absolutely has to be to rebuild the Oline.
When you have a $500 million dollar investment, protecting that investment take precedent over any other areas of need.
The thinking that having an average or below Oline is sufficient because Mahomes can bail the offence out has to stop.
Of the first 5 rounds of the draft, at least 2 of those picks must be Olinemen

htismaqe 02-12-2021 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DT#58 (Post 15547511)
Yes, the top priority absolutely has to be to rebuild the Oline.
When you have a $500 million dollar investment, protecting that investment take precedent over any other areas of need.
The thinking that having an average or below Oline is sufficient because Mahomes can bail the offence out has to stop.
Of the first 5 rounds of the draft, at least 2 of those picks must be Olinemen
Nope.

They need to stay with their board. Picking OL just to pick OL is how you end up with an expensive line that doesn't improve.


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