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PaulAllen 02-06-2013 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9381724)
"our guy" isn't in this draft. He was in last years' draft. There is no guarantee that any of these QBs in this draft will even make for solid starters. So far we've got a plethora of career backups.

You try your best and if it doesn't work out, you move on. Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck are not the answer, everybody knows this.

PaulAllen 02-06-2013 02:00 AM

Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.

RustShack 02-06-2013 02:06 AM

This fan base doesn't have the patience to let a raw QB start week one. You morons would turn before the season is over no matter how much you try to deny it now. Haurbah knows QB's, he still started Smith over his guy to develop him and get him ready. Reid started our OC over his QB McNabb. It's just how it works. If you throw a raw QB out there he will fail. Luckily Reid knows more about this than you, and is signing a QB no matter what.

If you just give the keys to a rookie they likely aren't going to give it their all to be the best they possibly can be because they ready have the job. There is a reason our OC and QB coach have previously worked with Reid, a d that our franchise QB will have friendly competition/mentoring from a QB who also knows the offense. You do everything possible to set up success for the QB, especially when there's no Luck in this draft.

jspchief 02-06-2013 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by munkey (Post 9381610)
He only took the Niners to the NFC championship last year...yeah..he sucks!!!

Then became a FA and no one pursued him....

RustShack 02-06-2013 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381730)
Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.

No. He's way more raw than those guys.

PaulAllen 02-06-2013 02:09 AM

Is Geno Smith Andy Dalton caliber? Ryan Tannehill caliber?

You want me to name more qbs that started right out of the gate? Stop living in the 80s, the game has changed. Adapt or die.

jspchief 02-06-2013 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381722)
You don't need a washed up has been if you have your guy. Why bench the future?

This team needs 2 (realistically 3) new QBs. Hasselbeck is a guy with playoff/Superbowl experience, a relationship with the HC, and is too old to be a legit threat long term at the position. Perfect mentor for a rookie qbotf.

PaulAllen 02-06-2013 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9381734)
No. He's way more raw than those guys.

That means he needs to play. Play him. I don't care if we go 1 and 15. What was Peyton Mannings rookie season record again?

RustShack 02-06-2013 02:13 AM

How about you start naming new WCO teams that didn't sign a veteran WCO QB to get things started.

PaulAllen 02-06-2013 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9381736)
This team needs 2 (realistically 3) new QBs. Hasselbeck is a guy with playoff/Superbowl experience, a relationship with the HC, and is too old to be a legit threat long term at the position. Perfect mentor for a rookie qbotf.

Fine he can hold a clip board. Hire him as a coach. But if he gets more snaps than the new guy what a waste.

PaulAllen 02-06-2013 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9381738)
How about you start naming new WCO teams that didn't sign a veteran WCO QB to get things started.

So your saying they will sign and start a veteran qb, not because it is the right thing to do, but because they're idiots.

Exoter175 02-06-2013 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381725)
We're going to be in for a long season no matter what. This franchise isn't going to get fixed overnight. Don't make it harder than it has to be

We are one position away from being a competitor in this division, that much is true. If Alex Smith could play to the caliber here under Reid that he played under Harbaugh, we'd be divisional champs year in and year out. That's how close this team is, in all actuality. And I don't even think Smith is that great of a QB. But he sure as **** is better than Cassel, and his play over the last two years has been fantastic.

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381727)
You try your best and if it doesn't work out, you move on. Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck are not the answer, everybody knows this.

If everybody knew this, KC wouldn't be the frontrunner for the Alex Smith landing site. The only thing that will stop him from landing here, is if he is absolutely deadset on being the starter and not having to "compete" for the job against a first or second round draft pick.

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381730)
Is Geno Smith Russell Wilson caliber? Joe Flacco caliber? Matt Ryan caliber? All those guys started their first pro games.

Nothing bothers me more than hearing people talk about Russell Wilson like he's some kind of god. Lets let the kid play a bit more and see if he ends up being as good as he played down the stretch. Andrew Luck did more with a much shittier team, and Russel did it on a very, very talented roster with great coaching and a very soft division.


As for the rest of your quote, nobody will know until it happens, but all signs seem to be pointing at the entirety of this draft class needing time to develop and grow into capable starters. There are a few exceptions to this rule, such as Tyler Wilson, and perhaps Glennon/Nassib, though neither of those two have shown anything since the resolution of their seasons to even write him about.

I think Geno has a very good toolset to work with, but I believe that is going to take some time and patience to develop and cultivate here in Kansas City.

I foresee this playing out like Vince Young in his rookie season. He didn't start immediately, but there were no doubts in that organization that he would eventually start. The only question was "when".

To be honest, Geno has a few question marks, but to counter them, he has some very good positive marks to speak of. What makes this case better for him, is that those positive marks fit very well into a WCO, and very well into an Andy Reid WCO. In my opinion, we are going to need a veteran QB to come in here and start a few games to get the season rolling while we get Geno on track, after that, his job is to be ready in case Geno goes down, and keep this team functioning, unlike QBs of the past for us, save for Damon Huard.

jspchief 02-06-2013 02:17 AM

I don't disagree. To me the ideal scenario lets them battle to start week 1, with a schedule to get the rookie on the field by midseason if he doesn't win the job outright.

The only catch is your coach has to have the balls to yank the vet even if the season is going well, ala Alex Smith vs Kaepernick.

RustShack 02-06-2013 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9381741)
So your saying they will sign and start a veteran qb, not because it is the right thing to do, but because they're idiots.

The only idiot in this is you. And you're the one assuming a veteran would beat out our rookie.

jspchief 02-06-2013 02:21 AM

Please stop with Alex Smith.

This will be his 3rd consecutive year as a free agent. NFL starter caliber QBs don't do that.


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