i hope someone has linked all the negative stories to the new owner. this just sounds horrible.......

ROFL

Dear Mr Sherman:

Please don’t hire Mike Matheny. I read in ChiefsPlanet fan forum that the St Louis BFIBS said he didn’t play non-Christians even tho they were better.


Signed,
PatMahomesIsMyGod
ChiefsPlanet member since: June 2013

I hope you read that article.

My biggest gripes about Mathney was the Cardinals played shitty defense and ran the bases bad. That is the two things you have to do in Kauffman Stadium.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phillies hire Joe Girardi as manager</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1187359038293598208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Padres hire as manager former Mizzou player and Smithville, MO native Jayce Tingler.

I feel sorry for ya. You know baseball. You follow the Cardinals close enough to know all about Matheny. You KNOW how this ends.

How did people not see this coming? Dayton Moore lost whatever magic he had leading up to 2014-2015. If you could assign a batting average to managerial moves, Moore is probably a .200 hitter. He doesn't do anything particularly well and has struck out more often than not on moves he makes.

@BNightengale: It’s unknown whether Mike Matheny will be announced today as manager of the #Royals or after the Series.

@FlannyMLB: Per source, there is no scheduled announcement by the Royals today regarding their next manager. As we have reported in the past, all signs still point to Mike Matheny, but nothing officially is scheduled.

I'm going to at least give the guy a chance. I know everyone HATED the hiring of Ned and we ended up getting "Yosted" in the greatest way possible. Maybe lightning can strike twice.

It sure was. Especially here on CP. Then the battle cry went radio silent.


Remember: It is stupid to hire some stubborn, gritty ex-catcher “gamer” who hates analytics. Who was fired by an NL Central franchise who’s replacement manager took his players to the playoffs. It can’t work again....right?

I mean, I guess it could but, what are the odds?

PB - take a stance, bro.

Go on the record. Do you want Matheny or not? What's driving your defense of him if you're ambivalent about the hire?

What's driving his 'defense' is that he's a troll that got caught in his own bullshit.

He spent 3 years lecturing Cardinals fans about what spoiled assclowns they were for criticizing Matheny due to his record or some other such nonsense. Now he has to double down on it.

Have fun with this guy, PB - he's yours now. I'm sure you'll love him.

Let's hope this guy doesn't turn out to be the Pujols of managers and the Royals just never had any interest in homegrown talent, again. :facepalm:

Dude has a really interesting back story. Drafted ahead of Kinsler out of Mizzou, has a couple of unspectacular seasons in the low minors, selected in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 - spends one season with Texas after being selected then in the fall headed off to the DR before becoming a coach on their DSL squad.

And so began his career as a coach. Guy just finished the season and said "welp, guess I'm not all that good at this" (though I think he'd get a longer look today given his OBP skills) and decided on his own to learn spanish and coach summer ball.

Just a hell of a story to get into the coaching ranks.

He's a risk, for sure. But at least he's an interesting one. I'll be rooting for him for sure.

Link or tapout. I never did that.

My stance has always been the same: baseball managers don’t matter much. Some are better developing young players. It turns out Yost was excellent st that. Kudos to him and it’s why he won when they matured.

I’m firmly in the SABR camp. Billy Beane used to say a manager is nothing more than a “production manager on a factory floor”. Blame me if the A’s stink.

I don’t know anything about aby of the candidates anyway. I do know Moore let the farm system degrade which he HAD to obsess about as it’s the lifeblood or tiny markets. Bad trades, bad signings, happen - bad farm systems can’t in KC.

We are gonna suck hard 3+ more years and the manager won’t prevent that. It will be on Dayton.

"Everybody is screaming about firing Bob Sutton, but I, the knowledgable fan who knows more than you, knows that it doesn't matter who the Chiefs hire at defensive coordinator. You still need players to play the DC's scheme, and the Chiefs don't have them. So I'm going to point and laugh at everybody losing their minds!"

"Are you saying we should keep Bob Sutton?"

"I never said that..."

Just saw the astros GM was fires over inappropriate comments. I didnt hear what they were.....but if he had any hand in draft evaluation, what an asset that is now without a job!

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He was a dick to women reporters who criticized the Osuna signing.

Eh.... i keed i keed.

Someone will take a chance....

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Exactly this. Put AJ Hinch on the 2019 Royals and they might win 63 games. Put Yost on the 2019 Astros and they win 107 games.

Yep, unlike most other sports, there is no team production synergies in baseball. It's a one on one game -- manager doesn't really matter. Hitting coach may matter more than the manager -- if plate approach can even be affected at the MLB level which is questionable.

Assistant GM, actually. Not sure how much of an asset he is, but sounds like a real douche canoe.

The actual GM seems like he's trying to find the worst way possible to handle this situation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Astros GM Jeff Luhnow was asked whether he had personally reached out to <a href="https://twitter.com/stephapstein?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@stephapstein</a> to apologize. <br>Luhnow said he’s been busy and hasn’t had the time.<br><br>Stephanie was sitting in the room.</p>&mdash; Hazel Mae (@thehazelmae) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehazelmae/status/1187505844591697920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't know if I'd go that far. I agree managers aren't important as an NFL coach, but they do matter. They have to create a clubhouse where everyone is playing together and can stick together through a long 162 game schedule. Plus there are decisions to be made about pitcher usage, etc. that are really important to keep guys fresh and not burn out your arms. There are plenty of things that can go south if a team is poorly managed.

They have long-run impact...not as much game to game impact except for the occasional tactical decision that can decide a game. They DO matter over the course of multiple seasons, for sure.

ROFL Good Lord!!! What a freaking debacle! This has been mishandled with extreme precision.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean, especially since the next manager will be the one developing a whole slew of talented young pitchers.

I'm sure if you asked a Cubs fan who watched Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, they'd probably have a much different opinion about the impact a manager has.

For subscribers to The Athletic:

There is a LONG and somewhat dry article today about the Royals’ changes to their minor league hitting development approach and staff.

Clif notes:
1) they’ve made major changes to the staff to better incorporate and communicate data gathered by analytics tools
2) they’ve raided some good organizations - including someone with experience in the Dodgers .org for hitting - to build this staff up
3) the approach they used to unlock Soler is being applied to other players

Encouraging.

We could provide you with a long list of really talented Young pitchers that Matheny ruined their arms. Managers do matter with the development of pitchers.

Going on the record, this is my main concern on Matheny too.

I was hard on Yost, but it was for the reasons that Brewers fans outlined to us when we hired him. Basically, he was bad at bullpen management and was crusty af.

We want the next manager to be able to develop young players - which is something Yost was praised for by Brewers fans. Matheny seems absolutely terrible at this, both from the mental and physical development of his young players. This is very concerning to me.

I don’t get the analogy. Everyone’s seen Bob Sutton, could supposedly make an assessment. I’ve never watched the Cards and don’t have any assessment to make on Matheny. And, I suspect, neither do the posters here.



Here’s one truism KC folks need to all agree on: trusting the BFIBS on anything is a risky scheme. A long con. A Ponzi, a parlor trick, a charade, a shell game, a 3-card monte, racket, rip off, ploy, sleight of hand, hoax, a fake, a forgery.

He is the exact opposite. He also plays vets in front of more talented young players. Even if the vet is in his first year with the club. It was very frustrating as a fan to have an obviously more talented young player on the bench while a vet hitting .220 played. Just because the vet had earned his AB's over his career. But, if a young player got a chance, the first 0-4 night they had, back on the bench.

Sounds awful.

Isn't this the guy that it was bad enough with that the GM had to trade Allen Craig so Matheny couldn't play him?

Same guy that insisted the Royals had hired a good one with Yost and that the Royals got themselves a younger version of Nelson Cruz when they acquired Soler.

I mean, you're welcome to say "I know nothing about X because I didn't observe it" and then ignore the people that did if you'd like. But ask the Cubs fans how that went with Jason Heyward.

Some of us know shit.

At best, Mike Matheny will be an irrelevant footnote in the history of the Royals - Sherman's excuse to broom the whole management team in a couple of years. At worst, he'll stick around 4-5 years and ruin some of the better young arms y'all have produced in 25 years.

But hey - keep whistling past the graveyard, chief.

This is accurate.

And Craig was out of baseball within a year or so of the trade.

Great 5 year retrospective interview with Jersh about the decision to hold Gordo. Love that his barber asked him the next day if he “saw the game” the night before.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-jirsch...eries-decision

Also - is Luhnow about to cause the Astros to implode for no reason? After the Stros accused the reporter of fabricating what the assistant GM said, Luhnow refused to retract the original statement in a conversation with her today.

Great read. Thanks. It was always the right decision. Force a throw is something you do in your beer league softball game. Not in game 7 of the WS.

Damn, had to trade a shit player so the manager wouldn't play his sorry ass every day?

I have 100% confidence you know more about Matheny than I do. Since my knowledge is 0.

Particularly against a Gold Glove winning SS with a big arm. I feel like that part gets left out of it. I'm sure if you try that play 100 times there would be some off line throws, especially with a weaker SS, but that was one of the last guys you'd probably want to try that against.

Yost was great with young players but he had an annoying habit of playing all sorts of burnout vets who had no business in the majors. You know all the names. I could never figure out if it was him or Dayton deciding that

#6

There a lot of ballparks that offer more modern amenities, but there is still plenty to cherish about this yard. Obviously, the fountains in the outfield offer perhaps the most beautiful backdrop in the majors. The huge crown scoreboard/video board is also unique, and the immaculate playing surface rates high.


https://newarena.com/mlb/ranking-eve...?amxt=ntv_402b

And every once in a while, by golly, we have good teams too. :thumb:

It’s official. Matheny is the hire.

Guess we’ll get to see if John Sherman is crazy like a fox.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per league source, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> have hired Mike Matheny as their next manager. A press conference to introduce Matheny could happen today.</p>&mdash; Jeffrey Flanagan (@FlannyMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlannyMLB/status/1189915165027917825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


UGH.

Ugh....

I wonder if this is him giving Moore enough rope to hang himself.

I didn’t not make it to a game this year for the first time in a few decades. I may not make it next year either.

Everyone deserves a second chance I guess. Let’s hope for better results than the last time he managed.

Well, if Matheny lays as big an egg as I expect he will, it’s probably the end for him and Dayton Moore. So there’s that.

Hope it happens before Matheny ruins a bunch of young players/pitchers and before the team’s rep takes a hit that makes it harder to hire a quality GM.

I'm willing to bet that if we had hired crackhead Ron Washington and his special assistant drunk Josh Hamilton, they'd do a better job.

You have nothing to fear. He won’t average 90 wins per year again like he did in StL.

That is like touting Mike Tomlin cause he took over a SB team, it means jack and shit.

I’m simply pointing out Matheny won’t win anything here. So the folks predicting he will fail are virtually guaranteed to be right. It’ll be a shock if they aren’t!

Well, this is exciting news . . . . . . . .

:banghead: :facepalm: :banghead: :facepalm: :banghead: :facepalm: :banghead:

ROFL


You really are clueless. John Sherman and Dayton Moore benefit the most by this hire. They’ll watch their moron fan base spend the next 3+ years wailing about Matheny and blaming him for the poor records, when in fact it’s Dayton Moore’s fault entirely.


And in the offhand chance a miracle occurs where we turn into Tampa Two? Even better! They made a gutsy hire fans hated - and were vindicated.

LoCain finally won one.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did you really think Lorenzo Cain could be denied again? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotToday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotToday</a> <a href="https://t.co/MELIh5ErTa">pic.twitter.com/MELIh5ErTa</a></p>&mdash; Milwaukee Brewers (@Brewers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1191152752585560065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also, Gordon does it again. Number 7. Only one behind Frank White.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Golden again!<br><br>Congrats to Gordo on winning his SEVENTH <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoldGlove?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoldGlove</a> Award. ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlwaysRoyal?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AlwaysRoyal</a> <a href="https://t.co/Nz7NzVQuRU">pic.twitter.com/Nz7NzVQuRU</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/1191149503262396416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Perspective is funny, isn’t it?

Gordon was hyped as the next Brett. But really, he was the next Frank White (plus a little more offense. White doesn’t have anything to match Gordon’s 2011-2015 span).

https://www.royalsreview.com/2019/11...nt-predictions

Some interesting predictions there from a baseball prospectus guy. If Strasburg goes to the Padres that team will make some serious noise though.

Can we re-name this thread, Royals Suppository ?

Did I read that Grifol is staying with the team on Matheney's staff as a part of the entire staff coming back, sans Sveum or were they that specific? I'm trying to find the article where I thought they mentioned that.

Don’t everyone line up at once to buy season tickets with the prospect of Tanner Roark and Sergio Romo leading the 2020 Royals to a World Series title.

They have some decent pieces but it's tough to get excited about tbis group. I don't feel they are an off season of cheap moves away from being decent. Just meh about the team right now.

Also Mahomes is just taking all the oxygen out of the KC sports scene.

I think they are 2 years agos draft class away from being competitive. Those 3 pitchers will (hopefully) usher in our next golden period.

What's encouraging so far, not a single one of the significant pitchers from that draft class has really fallen off. If they all pass the AA test, it doesn't guarantee MLB success...but it sure would be quite a feat and something to be excited about. So far, Singer and Kower have seemed to handle AA just fine. I'm fairly certain that Lynch will as well. Haake, Bubic, Bowlin, Cox and Heasley (add Steele in as well) will be interesting to watch as they take their turns at AA.

Alex Wood is who I hope the Royals take a run at. Could be a big boom bust prospect as a starting pitcher.

I also would like them to kick the tires on Moose. I really like Dozier at 1st.

Bubic is going to be the best pitcher this organization had developed since Greinke. Hes going to be a top of the rotation kinda guy and hopefully they bring him slow so he can get here right after Matheny is fired, so that he doesn't ruin him. Im hoping this happens to all the pitchers in the minors. Don't need that reerun ruining any of those guys.

Also who is going to be our shitty gritty vet signing that DM does every year.

Qualifications:

Terrible at the plate

Can "play" multiple positions, but plays them all at a below average rate.

Had one halfway productive season within the last 3 years

So take your guesses guys. Who's that player that is going to enrage us all for a quarter of the season? That gritty mother ****er who Dayton will be sitting next to at the press conference and will talk about said players "versatility". My only hope is that Sherman tells Dayton hell to the no on these types of signings. If PB is right (let's be real here when isn't he right?), then Sherman won't be able to afford these types of signings.

Clearly: Brock Holt

I'm really excited for the 2020 season...........

https://media1.tenor.com/images/868c...itemid=5660139

I get this excitement I really do.....however if you want to use typical baseball trajectory, you listed 8 names.

4 of them won't make the majors, at least 1 of them will get injured, and at least one ends up a reliever.

Not excited yet - that comes if they all pass the AA test. And as for your scenario? I'll take that...if you hit on two of them and get a good power arm in the bullpen, mix in Keller and Junis and supplement w/ free agency...that should at least get us to a point of contention if we don't see multiple regressions or injuries with our position players.

Duncan, what's your take on Alex Wood as a reclamation project?

I would like it. He’s a lefty with good stuff. Get him in on a short deal and he has the potential to really hold some value at the trade deadline.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see moore go get someone like Roark or even Julio Teheran, though.

Cleveland Steamer out with ‘20 projections. I remember how angry this used to make doosh Hootie and SaulGood would yap all season about the incorrect calls. (Never has much to say about all the correct ones for some odd reason but may he RIP)

https://www.fangraphs.com/projection...=all&players=0


Not a lot of changes from last year. It says Whit will continue to decline (1.8war) and Dozier will take a steep decline losing 1/2 his war to 1.7war. Mondi leads as you’d expect but only at 2.4 which is really low to me. Big Sal comes back to deliver 1.5 War for the 25m combined we paid him for last year and this one.


Brady Dinger gets 30 IP or something.

It's really going to suck if Whit does decline and we wasted his best years for nothing. His SB went from 45 to 20 and OBP decreased by almost 20 from 2018 to 2019. Too early to tell if that's just a one year swing or a sign of a gradual decline.

Rays GM won executive of the year. In a 1-30 ranking, I wonder where Dayton Moore would rank...