Maybe there is a tentative contract behind the scenes

Sign Jones to a 4 year deal!! Just do a simple 4/120 with 90 mil guaranteed. We don’t win last years Super Bowl or this years Super Bowl without him. Hes the greatest DT of our generation yes even better than Aaron Donald’s peak

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He better fire his agents

He did say last year that he was a Chief for life and would never play for another organization and then held out all of training camp.

Yep. Do not think it's official. But it's a good start!

Good point.

Is there any chance the "salary cap guy" Brandt Tillis was the person holding back Veach from using the void year tricks that every other team has been using to cheat the cap with their big money QB deals? The Chiefs have not really played this trick in the same manner that other teams seem to be doing it.

Maybe now they will be more aggressive with the void year stuff, and this could open a nice little 4 year window where Patrick's cap hits aren't too bad. I guess we'll see. It would be pretty incredible if they find a way to keep Chris Jones & LJ Sneed, along with continuing to have a very solid team across the board.

He's just speaking his truth through some liquid courage. LMAO

He wants to stay, figure out the number that works for both and let's roll.

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Chris Jones should fire his agents.

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Jones wants to be part of the 4-peat…

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Do the Chiefs ring up a few credit card charges this offseason to make history?

A little salary cap hell down the road can't hurt that bad now.

Yes, yes they do


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I would

I don't know, I think there's a happy medium in there somewhere, I trust Veach and Reid will make the right calls.

I'd love to keep Sneed. My heart will not be broken if we tag & trade or let him walk in order to get a key WR and/or keep Jones.

The replies do not disappoint LMAO

"You are the Hitler of agents"

LMAO

This seems...less than ideal.

I think there's some real bite to what Spags said about how Sneed and McDuffie sorta make everything go for the defense

Would we trade the possibility of a down-ish year in future in order to maximize our potential to do something that's never been done? Something which would solidify an argument for being the best team ever?

I sure would. Even though there's no absolute guarantee that we win next year, there's also no guarantee that we'd have a down-ish year in the future. Especially with the way Veach has been killing the draft.

Why?

It's what we want as well, is it not?

I'm willing to eat one to two contract years of over the hill Chris Jones to try. This isn't Dwayne Bowe we're talking about.

I'm not sure it would even require salary cap hell. I'm not quite knowledgeable enough on the subject matter but I've seen rankings showing KC is near the bottom of the NFL in cash spending in recent years. It seems like we've been rather conservative with using "cap magic" to create cap room, if Clark Hunt will greenlight the use of larger cash payouts like we see cash rich owners like Jimmy Haslam do in Cleveland to leverage the cap as much as possible it seems to me like we can maximize our available cap and ability to spend without needing to necessarily go into cap hell.

Agreed he is as locked in mentally as Mahomes or anyone else


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None of these guys are taking discounts. They will get what the market dictates whether it's here or somewhere else.

I expect Sneed to be back, Reid proved how important he is so I think he gets a cap lowering extension.

Gay and Danna are gone, Edwards likely is too, 50/50 on Chris Jones.

I'm still on the fence on that. I will say without Chris Jones we are not champions. We still have time.

I agree with what Nick Wright said, CJ is probably the deciding factor of whether we 3-peat or not. You can let Sneed go and be ok because we have been so darn good at drafting and evaluating DB's.

My preference is **** the cap and go for it.

It depends how you replace him, if you can continue to have DL depth and you improve WR to the point that it's a strength you can still 3 peat.

Like if you can somehow bring in Calvin Ridley and draft Troy Franklin the defense doesn't have to be as good.

Sneed isn't going anywhere unless Andy and Veach want him to.

He's getting the tag at least.

I kind of feel like veach needs to lead off with a good offer before all the stupid offers come in from the desperate teams.

Never forget that Veach gave Mahomes a record contract, gave Chris Jones a mega contract, brought back Sammy with less than $200 of cap space.

We can make it work. And honestly if we are in cap hell a few years for fitting in Chris Jones to go for a three peat, would anyone complain?

I would say let's get Jones liquored up for the contract negotiations, but the bar tab might exceed the money we'd save on the contract.

He is drinking for two after all.


In hindsight, a massive bar tab doesn't go under the salary cap, let er' rip.

Well, the reality is it would depend on what actually happens. If we in another Super Bowl next year? Obviously everyone would say it's worth it. If we don't and then end up having a few rebuilding years after? There would definitely be some heated debates about it.

We should just all be happy that Jones doesn't take up two of the 53 roster spots.

People complained this entire season.

Yes, people will complain.

I’ll trust whatever Veach does, but I’m all for a long term approach. We’ve seen Mahomes win no matter what.

3-peat would be great, but total number of rings for Mahomes matters most to me. Just keep a competent, deep roster around Mahomes and count the Lombardis.

Lets hope we can find a few ring chasers that will play for less to win one before they retire.

This is where I stand... would like to see how many we can stack if we avoid the 10-year drought like New England had. I think 6-7 is doable if you steer clear of that.

But, we won't have Andy, Trav, Spags, and Jones forever. Kinda depends how much difference we think that's gonna make..

^this^ I love CJ, but if he is going demand type of the market money then we have to move on. We can spend that on improving the WR and T position and try to win with a dominate offense again without a possible bad 3rd contract on an aging player. Again, would love to have Jones but you can't pay him like a 28 year old.

A few things on this:

-Thuney is out after next year IMO. I think he'd be a casualty. We'd save just over $16 million cutting him. Kelce probably has maybe 2 years left. He's gonna come off the books soon.
-this team has drafted very well the last 4 years. If we keep getting young talent like Rice, Sneed, McDuffie, etc then that will ease that in.
-Mahomes can push money down the road as a last ditch effort by restructuring to get cap space. This could potentially be spread out and not have an enormous impact.
-Veach has constantly hit on cheap effective FA's like Reid, Juju, Tranquill, Omenihu, Edwards, etc.

We can work around it if we absolutely have to IMO.

There ain't shit available for LT in free agency this year...

They originally signed Taylor to play LT or RT, so we could look for either. Some decent names with a variety of age and costs that may be a step up from Smith. They are: Tyron Smith, Trent Brown, George Fant, Mekhi Becton

Tyron Smith literally can't stay on the field, he'll be good for the 7 games he plays. Becton is the same just constantly hurt.

Speaking of D Bowe, here he is comforting a kid during the shooting

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Nah - Smith is good when he's healthy.

Becton pretty much always sucks.

Oh no Smith is good, his body is just completely shot.

I'm not worried about Jones' age because he's a natural big man and I don't think he'll just fall off a cliff because of that. Give him a 5 year contract that can be manipulated as time goes on. He's obviously a team leader exemplified by what he did in the Super Bowl when he pulled the D together. You keep that guy. We all love Sneed but with the way we can draft CBs an DBs I think we can replace him easier than Jones. Veach can work it out!

If you're good with Wanya to have some spot starts, Tyron Smith is the route.

I'm good with Wanya outright starting. Don't think we need to go out and waste money on a starting LT.

ROFL

Not sure which is more hilarious. That take, or the pay Orlando Brown Jr. take.

Not real good at identifying shitty left tackle play. You should work on that. Wanya Morris was so bad he made Donovan Smith coming back into the lineup look like Willie ****ing Roaf.

Imagine thinking that a starting left tackle is "a waste of money".

Probably go watch Superbowl 55 again to get a refresher on the value there.

I think he may be gone this year. We save 16 mil with a post-June 1st cut

Was wondering the same thing considering how well Allegretti played.

But will either of them be ready for the regular season?

If we want to resign Jones they’re going to have to cut Thuney.

I know he’s really good, but that’s nearly a 30 million dollar cap hit for a guard.

It’s possible they restructure I guess…

I’m not freaked out at all about this offseason.

I think we are in a great position with Jones. We don’t need to tag him. If we want to keep him we can. Sneed is an easy tag. We tag him and if he wants to negotiate a deal with another team fine. But he either plays on the tag. Gets tagged and traded, or gets tagged and a new deal.

If he’s traded then Veach has more draft capital.

We can use existing picks to draft DBs and LBs.

The big question mark is LT and WR. That’s where Veach has to work his magic

Spags says LJ and Trent are the “secret sauce” of the D so I’m guessing we prioritize LJ over Jones, who’s going to want a final huge contract to stay.

I don't think it's that binary.

It could mean they cut him after 2024. Or it could just mean they make another sacrifice.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...-thuney-19028/

According to this Thuney's contract is $26.9 (due to restructure) and his Dead Cap hit is $21.9, he will be on the team for the $5 mil difference.

Wanya was a rookie playing against great pass rushers. I wish he played better but his struggles were expected.

I'm assuming they either move Taylor to LT or draft a LT. What are the odds they gamble on Tyron Smith? The salary won't be large with his age but risky because of his health.

That’s Pre-June 1st

Post-June 1st dead cap is 10 mil, saving us 16 million

Gretti did what I expected of him - didn't cost them the games - but I still think the loss of Thuney was noticeable at times. More interior pressure for sure.

Keep Thuney another year at least.

7 pressures allowed by Allegreti and the run blocking as a whole was kind of shit. He didn't play well at all. Although he did play most of the game with a torn UCL so it's understandable and actually quite admirable he turned in the effort he did.

He's your ideal backup at all three interior spots. Nothing more or less.

Oh I'm not worried at all. Whatever route they take, they'll have a ton of options available to them. They have a shitload of youth on the defense, more cap space than most contenders do (let along champions) and have a playoff pedigree that's second to none.

They could let Sneed AND Jones walk and I'd be puzzled, but not worried. I don't think there's even a small chance that happens but if it did, we'd have alternatives and come back with a damn good team either way.

If you had to choose between Sneed and Jones, Sneed sounds like the smarter move given age and what he’ll cost.

I just have more faith in Veach to replace Sneed than Jones.

Yeah - for me it's a cost effectiveness question as well.

If a fringe #1 WR like Christian Kirk costs $18 million and I can completely remove a TRUE #1 WR from the field for that same dollar figure, clearly I'm money well ahead.

Whereas when a premier G costs $18 million and I have to pay $30 million for a premier DT....well, is that really the best use of resources? When a premier LT costs, what, $25 million and I'm not willing to run Jones against him except as a changeup...I dunno, that math seems wonky if Jones costs $30 million.

It's sort of a silly way to look at some of this stuff, but if I'm going to try to make a strict dollars and cents argument out of it, that's going to have to be part of the discussion.

Talk to Veach about it, because he had absolutely no problem making Orlando Brown Jr the highest paid LT in the league.

Also Morris played just fine, especially as a rookie. I have no doubt he will be better and is in there plans to be a contributor on the OL.

Aaron Donald’s play has dropped off considerably since he signed that $30+ million AAV contract extension.

He’s been the cautionary tale of why you don’t pay defensive tackles who are 30 or older that kind of $$$.

That would be my concern with a big contract extension for Chris Jones.

Yeah if it comes down to Sneed vs Jones, then I'm taking Sneed and it's not even that close.

We saw what having 2 legit shut down corners did for this defense. If we do lose Jones it just sucks that Omenihu has to tear his ACL and will likely miss some games, because he was probably our best pass rusher outside of Jones.

What will Donovan Smith demand? He seemed happy here if that matters at all. Could he be an affordable option. He did get hurt again so that should dive down is market a bit.

Quite frankly have little hope of resigning Chris Jones as long as he employs those douche****s he calls agents.

Damn. Depending on the severity of the Pec Tear he may well be a not so surprise cut.

He was 1st in pass rush win rate for DTs and an all pro.

The shittiest part about Jones leaving would be our best 3 interior rushers all being gone.

Jones obviously, Danna and Omenihu for most of next year, if he can even get back to where he was.

That's a lot of overhaul

I’d be on board.

He was bad against the 49ers but fine and fairly inexpensive for most of the year.

Sheldon Rankins was 7th last year and only cost $10 million. If we lose Chris I think Veach's first priority should be going after him.

2 superbowl rings we don't win without Jones. Both against the 9ers.