Yeah, so I'd take the QB likeliest to give me as close to a consistent A level of play as possible.

It's like if you have 2 choices:

A) I either give you a million dollars or I give you nothing

B) I give you between 700,000 to 850,000 guaranteed

Any rational person takes B right?

Yes Mahomes could end up great, but he could also end up as the next Brock Osweiler. I don't get why anyone would want such a volatile QB.
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We have a 'c' quarterback. His name is Ass

That's a stupid analogy.

The ultimate goal isn't to just get 700-850000 dollars, it's to have a QB worth enough on his own that you have a chance to win the Super Bowl with him.

Alex Smith is that 700000-850000 type QB that gets a team into QB purgatory.

This QB class is a gift from the gods to help us out of that funk.

Mahomes sitting behind Alex for a year (maybe 2) is our best chance at having the QB situation solved for the next decade.

Sigh.

Option B isn't 750k or 800k. It's 750k, 800k, OR a big fat 0.

Just like option A.

And you have to consider if you're more likely to receive 1,000,000 from option A than you are 750 or 800k from option B.

I totally see that happening with a lot of QBs in this class. I think it's more likely that Mahomes, Kizer, and Trubisky will be studs than Peterman will be a negligible Kyle Orton type starter in the league.

The only way this analogy makes any sense at all is if it's in a scenario where if you don't get $1M, you lose your house, all your positions, and end up homeless. The bank is going to take any amount you have to settle your debt, so it's just a matter of keeping your house/possessions.

Sure, you can take the $700k and hope a miracle happens at the casino to save your house. Or, you can take the shot at the million, knowing that unless you can save your house, the $700k is meaningless.

Apparently, you're okay with making the playoffs, then one and done. Most of us aren't, and want a shot at a championship. If it blows up, so what - try again until you hit.

congrats, you already have one, #11 Alex Smith

go for the win here chiefs, we have the ammo to move up if mahomes is sitting there in the teens. may not even hurt our draft that much either.

pull the trigger and do it!

This is precisely the rationale people associate with the Hunts. Option B keeps teams competitive, fills the seats, and makes them profit. Option A wins super bowls, or gets GMs/HC's fired.

It's all about your goals.

People like Mahomes because he's a rocket armed Johnny Manziel (minus the coke problem)?

Yea, he's exactly like Manziel. Only difference is that he's bigger, has a better arm, and has all the intangibles! :rolleyes:

What intangibles? His mechanics suck. He leaves the pocket, rolls to the right and makes some very good throws that he can get away with in college because of his excellent arm strength. That is what JM did, shit broke down and he made plays scrambling around.

The NFL is a game of being a pocket QB first and foremost.

Aaron Rodgers says hi.

And no, I'm not saying Mahomes is going to be on that level, but it just goes to show that you can succeed playing that way in the league.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

If you look at KC's 1st round picks in the Dorsey/Reid era they're all boom or bust selections

In today's NFL if you whiff on a QB and get an F you've done the same toward getting a title as you did if you drafted a 1st ballot hall of famer at any other position.

Without a QB you're going nowhere.

And in today's NFL if you whiff on a QB and get an F, you've done the same toward getting a title as you did if you drafted a B- or C+ in the first round.

Exactly.

With a coaching staff like ours, and already a starting QB for at least another year.. you take the home run talent at QB. Dorsey knows how to draft, and Reid knows how to develop QB's. Mahomes should be the top target without question.

Kind of off topic but I love how every draft has a QB with "Farve like arm talent"

I have yet to see another guy who could break your fingers trying to catch his passes.

Here he is at 47. Listen to the ball LEAVE his hand much less when it hits the receiver's.
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How is it a stupid analogy? If you needed a million dollar QB to win Superbowls why does Aaron Rodgers only have one almost a decade ago? Why have Manning and Wilson won it in recent years?
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Bc they had great QB's AND and a lgreat team overall. Do you even realize how god awful the Packers were and have been the last few years?

Rodgers carried an 8-8 caliber team to the NFCCG.

How are the Packers awful? Their defense is below average but offense is full of weapons. And I thought elite QBs were able to get past deficiencies in the team?

The same people who blame Smith because he needs everything perfect around him are the same people who blame the Packers because they aren't perfect around Rodgers. It's ironic huh?
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The Packers had massive injuries in their secondary and couldn't stop anyone. They were 21st in points allowed and 22nd in yards allowed. They also had no RB all year...they literally had to move a WR to play RB.

Who here is saying things need to be perfect? Did you not read the post?

Despite an 8-8 team with huge holes, Rodgers put that team on his back and carried them to an NFCCG.
The Packers in no way deserves to go that far, but their QB took control.

The goal is to get one of those QB's, which Alex will never be....ever, and you trying to blame a QB like Rodgers for not dragging an average team to a SB to defend Alex is completely idiotic.

What intangibles? His fundamentals are worse than Manziels.
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I don't expect Alex to be better or as good as Rodgers. I'm 100% in for replacing him in 2018 which is why I don't want Mahomes as I see him as a multi year project at best which will force us to keep Alex for 2+ more years. I don't want that.

But back to Rodgers, he's had a above average defense the majority of his time in GB and elite weapons on offense basically his whole career there. And yet 1 Superbowl in 2009. The CP notion of a QB that doesn't need a lot of help doesn't exist.
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Aaron Rodgers wins his playoff games by competing and challenging teams. Never is he thinking, "Just try to not mess up... maybe they'll make a mistake and hopefully I'll spot it!"

That's EXACTLY how Alex plays football. And it's why he's completely different from guys like Wilson and Eli.

He's way more Trent Dilfer than he is Russel Wilson. You would surely agree, right?

In the playoffs he and Russell Wilson are comparable. The only difference is that when Wilson has a shitty game, his defense has been able to pick him up. The chiefs defense hadn't.

Imagine if Alex Smith threw 4 interceptions in a playoff game. That's a sure loss right? Well it wasn't for Wilson.
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Wilson in his Superbowl run had a game where he completed 9/18 passes for 103 yards and they still won. Let's stop acting like he's the one carrying the Seahawks to these playoff wins.
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Alex is allowed to kick around 100 yard games when his defense does what the Seahawks did to Manning. If they're not? Let's say they're playing the adequate Pittsburgh Steelers and don't allow a single friggin TD on the entire day.

Alex has to overcome that. Russell Wilson has been able to find ways in his young career to meet those demands even with a 4 INT game.

Alex has not.

You can't possibly be comparing the two QBs. Do we need you to show you all those Pittsburgh gifs again?

Russell wins the Pittsburgh game with the defense and running game he's had in his playoff career.

His 4 INT game came against the great Aaron Rodgers and THEY STILL WON.

The year they won the Superbowl he averaged 174 yards, 1 TD and 0 interceptions. You don't think Alex Smith wins the Superbowl too in that situation?

Him and Alex are very similar in the playoffs other than Alex averages more yards and touchdowns and less interceptions per game...
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Do you watch the games on Sunday, or do you just read about them during the week?

I mean damn.

Do you? What did I say that's wrong?
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You can't blame Rodgers for that. He had that team basically in the SB in 2014 and his team pissed the game away. Double digit lead at the end and they piss it away.

That's not on the QB

The difference is that Wilson makes plays in big moments.
Alex Smith doesn't.

What plays?

Are we really giving him credit for throwing a touchdown in overtime after throwing 4 interceptions in regulation? Yayyy, you cleaned up the milk you spilled. Great job!
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Amazing how Alex apologists play this stupid game. Wilson and Rodgers are 100X the QB Alex ever has, is or ever could dream of being.

Period

How am I am apologist? I want to replace him as fast as possible.

I'm just not willing to be a hypocrite and criticise Alex for his 180 yard 2 TD playoff game while praising another QB for throwing 174 yards a game with 1 TD including a 103 yard 50% completion performance.
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Excuses are only legit and acceptable for OTHER team's quarterbacks.

Did you not know this by now? :shake:

You're literally saying Russell Wilson'a defense and running game won playoff games for him while ignoring Alex Smith's defense getting a turnover and keeping one of the hottest offenses out of the end zone and holding them to 18 points while his RB had 4.4 YPC and scores a TD.

Alex also has Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce who are all pro players, not to mention Jeremy Maclin.

So please tell us why Alex couldn't succeed with a great team like Wilson had?

WOW King going full reerun. Never go full reerun.

How much more lipstick are the Chiefs going to waste on the pig?

There exist a sad, delusional folk who believe/feel that because Smith was a (marginal) part of getting the Chiefs out of the ghetto and back in to the playoffs, that Smith should receive unlimited opportunities to prove that he is more than everyone with a functioning set of eyeballs knows he is.
He needed more weapons.
Result?
He became worse. It didn't help his deteriorating case one bit.

If Dorsey, Reid, and an army of Alexsexuals want to stand around on the corner, playing yo-yo and sucking each other's dicks until Alex falls over dead on the field, there's not much we can do about it.
However, some of us would like to get on with playing legitimate offense and seeing what studs like Reek and Kelce can do with a QB that doesn't play like a scurred bitch.

Ben Roethlisberger aka terrible playoff QB kept the Steelers out of the end zone, not the chiefs defense.

If Wilson has the same game as Smith with the Seahawks they win because they don't allow Bell to rape them up and down the field.

And speaking of defenses holding hot offenses to low points, the Seahawks defense held the highest scoring offense in NFL history to only 8 points. So while Alex has been backed up by decent defenses, Russell has been backed up by other worldly defenses.
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The Roethlisberger Steelers are 13-7 in the playoffs. He is tied for 6th for career playoff wins...all-time. He's a terrible playoff QB?!

In the playoffs one player averages 236 yards, 1.6 TDs and .9 INTs with a 94 passer rating. The other averages 247 yards, 2 TDs and .3 INTs with a 94.5 passer rating.

Which QB has been better in the playoffs?
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http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

Is that a good playoff QB to you? And it's funny you posted his teams W/L record. Thought that was an Alex Smith fanboy thing.
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Hmm...interesting. I really don't know what to make of it. Playoff teams will obviously run into tougher teams, for literally every team they face in the playoffs are, well...playoff caliber teams. And you've got a team like the Steelers who have gone to the Super Bowl, what...3 times with Ben? Obviously, the deeper you get into the playoffs, the tougher the teams you are playing become and the more likely those teams are to have elite defenses.

I don't know what to make of it...really. Wheels are kind of turning about it now.

I guess I'd have to see the stats of other QB's that have consistently gone deep into the playoffs (no, Alex doesn't count...that doofus has only led his team to a mere 6 playoff games in 12 years).

Posting a W/L record in the playoffs is an Alex Smith thing?

Facts. First 3 SBs Tom won he did it with an elite defense. Oh wait, he had the number one ranked defense this season too.

Lol @ the people who think Rodgers, Ben, flacco, RW, Brady carried their teams.
Idiots.

:clap:

January 2003 was the last time the AFC had a Super Bowl QB not named Brady, Manning, Roethelisraper or Flacco.

Clearly that's because of defense.

Stats are very misleading and can be used to paint an argument however a person wants.

And the year Flacco won it, he played lights out football. One of the best playoff stretches of all time for a QB.

Sad to say but reality is that the Chiefs will not be getting to any SB while Brady is still around, provided the defense doesn't turn into an all-timer somehow. Hence why they need to be swinging for that A level QB who can always give them a chance.

Ok so paint the picture that Wilson is an elite QB or a better QB than Smith in the playoffs. I'll wait.
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Here we go again with King and his silly nonsense. Roethlisberger is a million times better than anything KC has ever had and ever will.

ROFL

It's not? I've already proven Roethlisberger is not a good QB in the playoffs. Brady is the greatest QB ever but still needed elite defenses to get to the Superbowls and so did the other two. What's the lowest ranked defense in those Superbowls? All of them had top 10 or top 5 defenses.
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Still waiting. If stats aren't enough. What is?
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All those guys are on stable good franchises as well.

I wouldn't expect guys to put up big numbers in the playoffs, it's against good teams.

And he had 23 interceptions in 20 playoff games. That's good? He's a great QB but he's been a bad QB in the playoffs over his career.
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It's the ****ing eye test. Smith can't do what Wilson has done. Wilson on KC this year beats Pittsburgh. He's not a giant pussy.

Brady is the LOAT. Luckiest of all time. The mass cheating years helped make him famous even though his play was not incredible by any measure. The Seahawks goal line screw up and the Falcons disgusting failure to kill the clock hides Brady's shit play in both games.

Him and Bill are the most overrated people is American sports history.

No here comes YOU and your nonsense. Remember that Romo rumor you were trying to prop up? How do you feel about being wrong?

All Alex does is ride along for wins. Unless it's the playoffs. He doesnt like to win when it matters...

And yet Smith averages more yards touchdowns and less interceptions than him in the playoffs.
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Watch the 2 play playoff games.... that's all you need to do.

So now it's stats that matter?

Great. Alex's stats suck wastewater

Next!

I've never said they didn't. I know you want to lump me in with the Smith fanboys but you can't find a single post I've made saying stats don't matter or w/l is the only thing that matters for a QB.
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King taking on 15 of CP's scum members single-handedly. Classic.

I have. Both are about the same. Wilson throws the ball deeper but also turns the ball over more and throws less touchdowns and less yards.

1 has won despite playing two of the worst playoff games I've seen and the other has lost despite playing one of the best playoff games I've seen. If Smith could win while throwing for 103 yards, the chiefs would have won a Superbowl by now. Disagree?
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Wilson has had many other games where he led his team to a win and has dealt with some of the worst Offensive Line play I've ever seen.

Smith is just......Smith. High end QB's have bad games, not exactly a newsflash.

You mean like Chief Roundup, a guy who has expressed caution when it comes to the QB position more than most CP members?

You're a ****ing dipshit. If people don't suck Alex's cock, you call them scum.

Disagree. I take Wilson over Smith every day all day.

Are we really arguing about who's a better game manager between a guy who's been to 2 super bowls, winning 1, and a guy who has 2 career postseason wins?

They gave up only 18 points and even got a turnover. That's elite.

It's not their fault Alex went 3.5 quarters without scoring a TD

This isn't carrying their team?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBuW3TmVe30

I guess Tom Brady coming back from 14 and 25 point deficits in the 2nd half of the last 2 SB's isn't carrying his team. His defense scored all those points right?

Holy shit you're a special kind of stupid apologist

Comparing Russel Godwater Wilson to Alex Smith is a ****ing travesty. My god, there's some serious dipshit posters on here.

Russell Wilson has went 4 quarters without throwing a touchdown while throwing 4 interceptions and still won.
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I ****ing love Chiefs fans. Another team drafts a franchise QB who wins super bowls, and the narrative isn't "Man, did we **** up picking Donald Fatass Stephenson ONE PICK before this champion," but instead "DERP THERE QB ISNT RELLY THAT GOOD"

Yes.

Yes, he is.