When it is very likely they know they usually say something like, "Probable cause of death: complications sustained from an ass whuppin'".

Maybe they are being extra tight lipped on this one for some reason. I can't imagine why but, it is certainly possible. All I am doing is reacting to the information they are giving us.

Yeah, it sucks. I'm not keeping my fingers crossed, but I'm hoping they find it abandoned somewhere. I planned to keep that thing as my winter vehicle forever.

"Complications sustained from an ass whuppin" would NOT be a situation where it is very likely they know right away.

"Gunshot wound to head, brain exposed with 1/2 missing" is a situation when IT IS very likely that they know right away.

I had a vehicle stolen once. It showed up on a county road, burned out.

The dickhead had stolen the leather seats out of it, then torched it. I didn't mind because I was insured and got a new 4Runner out of the deal, which I'd always wanted.

This is my 3rd in 20 years. Lost one, recovered one, and now this one. It's just a regular workhorse, 12 year old Jeep. I'm hoping someone just needed a ride and dumped it when they got to where they were going and somebody calls to have it towed when they're tired of looking at it.

I may have joyrided a few vehicles back in the day, so it's all in the game.

If that only rates a very likely, then I just don't know what to say.

Someone I know had their truck stolen, joyrided around, and then left on some railroad tracks... a train hit it.

pm sent

I think you are missing the point.

Also, the head wound could have been post-mortem. Don't you ever watch Law & Order?

Someone certainly got murdered inside arrowhead yesterday.

RIP Marcus Cooper.

You guys understand that you are dealing with a moron, don't you? You're talking about a guy who has an animated man running back and forth urinating in his signature. My guess is that he has a window decal on his vehicle with a picture of Calvin peeing on a Ford logo--probably situated next to a giant "Bocephus" displayed across his back window.

THE head wound? Is there new information out about injuries sustained that I have missed?

And no, I do not watch Law & Order. None of the shitty CSI shows either.

Sorry to disappoint you, moron with a bearded child in your avatar.

Lucky you didn't do this to a CPers vehicle. You wouldn't have survived to one day have your own car stolen.

Getting a little off-topic here, but--a post-mortem wound.

As in, something else killed the guy, but then after he was dead, someone shot him in the head for some reason.

A common device used on cop shows to throw in a twist, or maybe used by the killer to distract from the actual cause of death that could be traced to him. Use your imagination.

Anyway, without an obvious fatal-looking injury, they are not likely to announce "death by ass whupping" without a thorough exam to determine other possible causes.

I know what post-mortem means. I just didn't realize you were attempting to be cute.

If the beating were bad enough they could. But this actually takes me back to my point; without out a trace of a fatal wound, how do you make your initial conclusion that the perp was killed versus something went wrong internally due to health or self inflicted damage (drugs)?

Probably to prevent him from becoming a zombie.

LMAO

I don't think they 'concluded' it was a murder, but said they are treating it as one at this point. Overall circumstances would be relevant. If they are pretty sure there was a physical altercation, they probably need to investigate it as a "worst-case" scenario so they collect evidence properly and all that. If they wrongly assume a heart attack and an autopsy shows otherwise, they can screw up the case if they didn't treat it as a potential murder from the start.

Good police work there. And I just watched Walking Dead last night and didn't think of that.

What kind of Jeep?
It’s usually not pretty when they find stolen 4X4’s so be prepared.

'01 XJ. I'm most concerned about the electrical if recovered. People literally steal cars because they get tired of walking where I live. I'm not saying they aren't out there driving it through a jewelry store, but it's likely some dude boosted it because he didn't want to walk the 20 blocks back to his hood.

Well good luck, hope you get it back.

That's the problem I'm having with this situation. The guy and his kid, along with his father (assuming that's his father) was in our lot, and they were playing water pong with my tailgate group and me. And from a buddy of mine who we go together for the games, (may not be reliable for whatever it's worth) that he saw the father crying when talking to the cops.

So based on what I saw/hear at the lot A (this was roughly about say 30 yards from where we parked) and we walked past the crime scene tape that was wrapped around that area, I'm suspecting the owner of the jeep died.

Lmao

Fox4 has a witness on saying the dead guy (ID'd with the last name VanWinkle) was heavily intoxicated and punched continually after being knocked to the ground. She attempted CPR on him before medics arrived.

RIP

I hope they're really sure that he's not just asleep.

KMBC video with victim information. Looks like police have searched a KC home related to the death as well.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city...?absolute=true

Ah, the good ol' fashioned beat the drunk guy to death.

Sounds like the guy might have been drunk enough to actually think that was his car he was getting into.

Weird. So someone else stepped in and beat the guy to death.

But this Kyle Van Winkle guy.... I don't know what to think. The only statement they could get from family was "Kyle was well loved, well liked, and he will be missed"

Lol. That's it? Sounds like a methhead who was quite the burden.

He was a police Sargent's son.

That's an interesting way to read that statement.

Idk... I just envision an upper-middle class loser who lived at home, popped pills and always ****ed up. It's like the family saw this coming. Not even a comment about the investigation or anything to support his character? "He will be missed"? Either way, I don't think he should have been beaten to death by a couple of NASCAR fans

Error noted and corrected.

I see what you did there.

This is a national story. They are scared shitless of getting it wrong. Hence, the slow go on information.

So are they sure yet it had nothing to do with fan rivalry? It was a pure Chiefs fan on Chiefs fan violence?

It has nothing to do with fan rivalry. It has been stated many times....

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/02...arrowhead.html

Some new info in this one. He is not likely a thief, or certainly isn't known to be one.

Well there goes my theory. These statements make more sense. Strange story.

I'm thinking this is appearing to be in a wrong car incident, where the owner of the jeep thought he was getting robbed, while the deceased thought it was the jeep that he rode in.

Just my thoughts.

He got what he deserved. /CP






This whole thing is just a damn cluster**** nightmare for all involved.

You mean he wasn't a meth head that deserved being beat to death?

The only thing that confused me a little more is the search at his home. That tells me something different....

That's a good point. I hadn't considered that he would mistake the jeep to whom ever he road with that had a similar jeep.

His home wasn't searched. One of the people in custody had their home searched.

Ah, you're right. I missed that part. That's what I get for skimming through the article.

My bad. Neg repping myself.

If so, it happens, doesn't mean you deserved to get killed for it. Could have been intoxicated and was a bit confused on the vehicle...

Few years ago, drunk was trying to open side metal security gate to the house. Shepard was going ballistic, dude just kept standing there inebriated with me yelling through the door "what the f... are you doing?" Cops came questioned him or tried to... arrested, etc. Turns out he was nearby, drunk and trying to find his friends house, convinced my back door was it.

Incorrect, if anybody is in or around your personal property they deserve a slow and painful death.

That's your stuff they're messing with/CP

If that was the case, you'd think we'd know it by now.

I could see that. I seen that happened several times where someone thought they were standing by the car they thought they came in, only to find out that it wasn't theirs. Of course, they didn't break in, which brings us this part....

Did the deceased actually "break" in, or was the car left unlocked? Because if he was drunk, and say if the car was unlocked, then it's easy to assume that he was in the jeep, waiting for the people he thought he rode in, to come back.

Now if he actually broke in, shattered glass and all that, then that's another different story....

Plus, if the true owner saw someone in their vehicle, and they don't recognize him/her, chances are that the owner thought he was being robbed, and needed to defend his property/vehicle, thus the calling for help thing, while plummeling him.

What a mess this is....

Could have happened. Especially if he rode with someone else. Lets be honest, intoxicated after a game, doesn't quite recall where they parked or what exact specifics about the vehicle was. Certainly conceivable. But hey, he shot have been shot dead.

I never said that. Try reading my post

If they let out details of how he got into the vehicle it might be easier to try to figure out. Too many unknowns

This whole thing has caused me to question whether I should continue to believe early reports posted on CP.

So the story says the vehicle in question was a green Jeep, but the pictures show a red Chevy pickup. WTF is going on here?

The media being the media

The video posted had a green jeep cherokee

I don't see a video?

And what the hell is this?

http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2...j3Y.St.81.jpeg

he forgot to collaborate and listen

This is the jeep in question.

http://kctv.images.worldnow.com/images/24107400_BG2.jpg

Apparently this is now national news, obama just announced that this is Bush's fault.


Seriously though I'm surprised that there is not more info available.

2 crime scenes?

Survival of the Fittest, bruh.

Weird. On a side note, how pissed would you be if that car next to it was yours and you had to wait until all this bullshit was over with before you could leave.

pissed enough that the owner of the jeep deserves to be beaten to death /CP
/Pablo

No, it was more of a whole area, but the jeep was parked close to the red truck, it was on the other side, just a little off.

Here's the best photo I can get from watching the video. It's not the best angles (Camera men, they can't do it right these days....)

The middle fat arrow is pointing the green jeep, and you could barely, albeit, poor lighting, make out something red behind the jeep by the 2nd thin red arrow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps504e7aaf.png

So it looks like to me, between those two arrows is where the fight occurred in that area.

They must have had a pretty big area cordoned off, makes me wonder if the guy was trying to get away and they followed him and continued beating him.

well someone did have to die for him to be inconvenienced.

Remember when Hart died at the wrestling show in KC. Everyone knew he had died in front of them. When they announced the cancellation people booed and some caused scenes with police. A man died, are you not entertained!

In mid October I left a Five Guys with my mom and hopped into the wrong car. It was a black CRV, exactly like hers. I tried starting the car multiple times, wondering why the ****ing key wouldn't turn until I looked over and saw an odd car charger on the dash.

I yelled out "Holy ****," and we jetted out of the car and into hers, which was parked one spot over.

Fortunately I didn't do this at a CP Bash or one of the resident badasses would have beat my ass to death, invented a time machine out of a BBQ smoker, tinfoil, jacks, and boat rigging, and then Skynetted my grandparents.

SR, you're going to have the peanut butter soup with smoked duck and mashed squash. New York Matinee called it a playful, but mysterious little dish. You'll love it.

I don't think anybody should have beat you to death but they should have definitely scooped up about 10 lbs of dog crap and left it on your door.

What was canceled? I was at that PPV and the show went on after his fall.

ROFL