I can see Dorsey pulling the trigger on a super raw dude like Darren Waller with the 3rd round comp. He seems to enjoy projects.

I hope McBride isn't gone by then.

Would be ****ing stupid yet again.

Maclin is an upgrade, sure. But there's a reason teams carry 5 wide receivers usually. We have jack shit at WR after Maclin. Wilson looks promising but we still need another 2 receivers. Wait until the third and we're looking at table scraps and a player that likely isn't going to amount to shit..

I doubt we pick DGB at 18 so assuming the top three are off the board a trade down and a pick of Agholor might the only way we get the WR we need.

Need time to throw if you're going to utilize those great WRs. But we've addressed some on the line too. I'd expect BPA at our pick between WR, OL and maybe DB and let the draft fall however it falls.

2nd unless one of the top 3 falls. And then another WR around the 5th round.

Agreed.

Sammie Coates in the 2nd round because he's big, strong, fast, and not ready for the NFL.

ROFL And for people who hated Bowe for his ill-timed drops, they're going to be out for blood with Coates.

Dorsett/Agholor in the 2nd and McBride in the 5th.

Dorsey likes to try and turn water into wine.

Mcbride is going in round 3 at worst. No way a guy that big and fast with elite hops and high point ability lasts that long.
I could even see him in the late 2nd round

If we take one in the 3rd or later, Dez Lewis or Tony Lippett could be the picks.

I also wouldn't put it past Dorsey to take Darren Waller in the 4th or take a flier on the injured DeAndre Smelter.

Hardy could be there in the 3rd as well due to his lack of elite athleticism.

Say parker slips to the mid teens.. Would you throw in a 4th or so to land him?

I would. I like Parker a bunch.

No.

While he's got the height, his get off from the line isn't elite and I think you get a better all-around player in Tre McBride with a third round pick. The one thing that Parker does better than anyone in the draft is highpoint the ball, but his initial speed from the snap isn't really impressive. However, I think that McBride is very close to Parker in terms of his catch radius and he's better off the line and on his breaks.

If La'el Collins isn't there, I'm inclined to take a freak in the first versus just a "good player at a position of need."

Collins is just a "good player at a position of need." What freaks you talking about that would still be there?

I haven't watched a whole lot of McBride. I'll have to check him out. Parker just kind of reminds me of a poor mans aj green. Tall, slender build, and such a good red zone target. I do prefer cooper over him though. That guy is so fluid in everything he does.

I've seen a few mocks where they had both available at the saints pick. And I think that's going to be the one you'd have to trade up for to jump the Dolphins.

Check out Cosell's eval of Parker:

I'd let the draft dictate. Parker would be a good pick up but so would La'El Collins.

I could see something like one of the two situations happening:

1. Parker
2. Paul Dawson or Quinten Rollins (as a safety)
3. Donovan Smith

or

1. La'El Collins
2. Rollins
3. Devin Funchess (as a WR)

I'm more inclined to go with the later because at WR we're talking about the 4th or 5th option now.

I'd puke if we drafted Funchess. He's gonna bust harder than Jon Baldwin.

Give me McBride, Dez lewis, DeAndre Smelter, Greene, Hardy, anyone over Funchess, lol.

He's a 3rd rounder...he couldn't bust harder if he walked out the day after he signed. I don't have any particular fondness for him. I was just thinking large target for the redzone.

I have been thinking DGB might go early 3rd. Maybe with a move that is the pick?

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Yup, just saw that. No way that he's a legit 4.2 guy. He looks like a 4.4 dude on tape, 4.2 players don't get caught from behind in the open field, ever.

He's 6 "2 213. if he runs under a 4.4 that's great

Whaaaaaat.

If he's a 4.3 guy, prepare to see Chiefs interest...

Dwayne Bowe v2.

Dwayne Bowe ran a 4.4 or better?? I don't believe it.

By the way, I read his weaknesses as being his route running and other skills being extremely raw.

I find that kinda surprising considering his father played WR for 10 years in the NFL.

Not his speed, just how he plays. Inconsistent ball skills & hands, bad routes, etc.

well that sucks hes a goner in the 1st for sure. i would have loved to have gone something like collins, and then perriman or mcbride.

btw he and bowe arent even close to the same type of player... perriman doesn't have legitmate 4.2 speed, but he's extremely explosive. an acrobatic, high flying type of receiver.

no, thats a silly way to call two receivers the same... by your definition dewayne bowe and desean jackson are the same as jackson also has inconsistent hands, ball skills, and runs poor routes.

Just watch him play dude, you'll see it.

Perriman has bad hands though right? Pass

i've seen him play in several games... he and bowe aren't even remotely similar type of receivers. is he inconsistent? sure. but that and i suppose body type is about where the similarities end.

incorrect. he has inconsistent hands, but his hands are great.

How can one have both great and inconsistent hands?

Per rotoworld:

It's entire subjective.. To me having great hands = having the ability to make ridiculously acrobatic catches, tough catches in traffic etc.

Inconsistent hands = lapse in concentration from time to time. Trying to turn and run before the ball is caught.

Terel Owens is the ultimate example of having great, but inconsistent hands.

I call bullshit on a 4.26 40 from Perriman.

If you told me Perriman ran a 4.46 forty, I'd believe it. 4.26? No way in hell.

Even running 4.46 would surprise me. He looks like a 4.5-4.6 guy to me on tape against college competition. He wasn't just blowing by guys even at the college level.

Wasn't Kelvin benjamin dubbed the next job Baldwin by you draft gurus lol? He's another example of having great but inconsistent hands.yes he has a high drop rate but, When you see a guy go up and come down with a ball sandwiched between two defenders like Sherman and Thomas, then he has great hands.

Yup. Perriman is a 4.4 dude from what I've seen. Still plenty fast but nowhere near a 4.2 guy.

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Great hands means you rarely lose focus.

Inconsistent hands means you have concentration lapses.

Sorry I still want amarie cooper

He won't be there for us though but if he is he's the pick

Imma go ahead and jump on the Phillip Dorsett Bandwagon.

With that speed and playmaking ability....man....

Put Charles, DaT, Maclin, Dorsey and Kelce on the field at the same time? That's a lot of speed and home run hitters.

Would much rather have Lockett who is of the same build... not quite as fast, but I think he is the best route runner in the draft.

look what he does to Verrett
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This...exactly right.

Maclin is the first step in building a credible receiving corps. Signing him does not mean we're done...not by a long stretch.

Wilson is a 3rd or 4th receiver. We need an elite receiver out of THIS draft.

BTW, I think Lockett is the most under valued WR in this draft. He's the real deal.

Lockett runs routes. Poor man's Odell Beckham (due to the lack of "thickness" but the guy can absolutely work a route tree and make cornerbacks his bitch).

Lockett would be absolute balls in this system.

Dorsett is a fly pattern only dude with questionable hands.

We've already got a thick build track guy in Albert Wilson.

Lockett over Dorsett all day long.

I'd like Lockett more if his hands weren't so dang small.

Dorsett will be a better pro.

I'm really warming up to Chris Conley out of Georgia. He was a combine all-star, yes, but he does quite a few things really well despite playing in a run-heavy scheme. He is a real sleeper. The things I loved about Jordan Matthews, who I pounded the table for relentlessly, show up with this Conley kid. If he can be had in round 4, where I just took him in the mock, I think its a great value v. risk type of pick.

Not true. Dorsett can run the hitches and crossers that KC enjoys, and the speed must be respected. No doubt, Lockett's route precision is superior.. but Dorsett is also a very solid and dynamic option for the Chiefs. He also holds up better against physical corners than does Lockett.

absolutely. :D

So for you guus that are changing opinions on guys now, does that mean your opinions were wrong just based on their on field play?

Put some names into your accusations?

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just curious what the movement of guys at this point is based on?

Just don't care to read through many of pages to determine who you refer to, but okay.. if you don't want to go there, no problem.

It was just a general statement.

Over the years I've just put less and less into the combine.

That's fair. For me, it's just an interesting thing to consider for the bizarre results. Conley runs that fast... worth taking another look. Dawson runs slow? check his games again. Just something to make sure the early impressions hold or are something to reconsider.

I haven't really liked many of the receivers "less" per say, I just don't value them as highly round wise based upon certain factors like size and speed. Also have watched more tape on some other guys.


I don't like Justin Hardy in rounds 1 or 2 anymore because he measured at barely 5'10" instead of at his over 6'0" that he was listed in college. That's a huge difference in terms of where you think a guy can play in the league. That size difference coupled with the fact he ran 4.56, that's big. Now I can't think of him as an outside guy, a #2. I basically have to think of him as a slot only, and that's probably fair based on revisiting his tape too.


A guy like Chris Conley, I had really watched much of him, but after seeing him run at the combine it made me go back and look for the guy on tape. He stands out, he's a good receiver. He's a guy I might not have really been all that aware of until he posted great numbers.

Another guy, he looks good on tape and runs like dog shit, and that's the kid from Fresno State, Josh Harper. Now instead of liking him somewhere on day 2, he's probably a 4th, 5th, maybe 6th round guy. You go back to the tape on a guy like that, and you start nitpicking the separation issues a little more.

I still like a few guys a bunch. I like Devin Smith. I like Stefon Diggs. I still like Breshad Perriman and Jaelen Strong. I like Tre McBride.

I still don't like some guys like Sammie Coates and DGB. I've probably dropped Vince Mayle quite a bit. I was higher on him than draft boards early on. I don't know if I like a 4.65 40. I like to see 4.55 or better and then like a good 3-cone and short shuttle.

Did anything he did on the field say hardy couldn't play outside? If not, I don't see how his size or straight line speed have anything to do with it.

When you start using those metrics to determine where or how a guy can play, you miss out on good football players.

Huge difference between NFL corners and NCAA corners. That's why people who say "College team A could be NFL team Z" sound so stupid. You get it O. Yes, Hardy can separate well on quick routes, on tape didn't show great deep speed but thought maybe it was adequate. He runs 4.56 and is 5'10". NFL corners on the outside are 6'0" and run 4.45. He's not going to beat those guys. They are going to stick to him deep, they are going to stick to him on curls and hooks. He isn't going to get those high point catches outside his frame like he did in college against longer NFL corners. He's got to be matched up correctly.

Thats just too cookie cutter for me. "Corner x in the nfl will do this etc".

Acceleration in and out of breaks, route running, etc, there's just so much more to it than speed and measurableS.

Hardy is a really good football player Though. If we can pick him, he'd be a good player for us.

Not so sure of this. Hardy's 40 time doesn't concern me all that much... depending on the refs you get week to week. Out of near all WR prospects, where Hardy shines is his scrappy nature. His hand fighting is top-shelf... and he can find a way to separate.

I didn't love his size, and that does hurt a bit. I have him as an early 4th, but that's not so much his fail as it is a really thick WR class of talent. KC can draft him in rd 3, and I wouldn't at all be upset.

Some dudes just are not proficient in the precise mechanics of the 40.

Oh, I haven't stopped liking Hardy, what I've changed is how soon and where I expect he can make a living in the NFL. I have him as a guy I'd have to consider the board in the 2nd round, I don't think I'd take him there but maybe. Depends on the WR run and how I'd view his availability going into the 3rd. I don't see him making it out of round 3. I like him a bunch as a slot and have called him a prototype at that position.

BTW the guys that make a big impact in this league at under 6' at WR on the outside aren't guys that don't run in the 4.4's. Just sayin. I have written about short receivers and how they are valuable, but speed does matter when there are other elements lacking. Doesn't mean a guy can't make a living in the league. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, those guys aren't fast. That doesn't mean they don't catch a shitload of balls, but it also doesn't mean they primarily operate outside.

Hardy just seems like a guy that will inevitably get pushed down due to measurables, get drafted with a chip on his shoulder, work his ass off and be a mother fer for years.

Or he could bust. Lol

ah, but the fun of the draft. Just never can be so sure. :)

:) I think he gets pushed down due to positional fit because of measurables. That'll I'll say. Same reason Tyler Lockett isn't going to go in the first round. I don't think either one is going to fail. I think Hardy will be damn good. I just can't see him being on the outside. Put him set back off the line and let him use his agility to beat corners on slants, ins, outs, etc, without a jam. He's perfect for a West Coast team needing a slot guy. Hell, maybe a team does try him outside as an X and it might work in a horizontal system.

Hardy ran a 4.4 at his pro day. He's going to be a steal just like Keenan Allen was

Positionally at this point, the Chiefs need an X to go with Maclin. It sucks because one of the top two guys (Cooper and White) would be good fits, but I think Parker would be an ideal fit with that big body he's got. I'm more intrigued with DGB doing it, but with all the stuff around him, who knows.

I'm afraid alot of the guys that will go later like Dorsett and Lockett, are going to end up being a little liek you say, slot only guys.

Devin Smith is pretty interesting in that he could be very Desean Jackson ish.

think you may just be surprise... :D

more info on Maclin which IMO hints at what the chiefs like in wrs
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...e16375109.html

Tre McBride.

I'm not shitting you. The best guy in this draft for this system. I'd pull the trigger on him in the second round.

Anyone know much about this kid? Just read about his pro-day, from Pitt State, same school that John Brown came from. He looks really natural at catching the ball and tested really well.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/578512/h...s/217301382/v2

Quite a few good & intriguing big-bodied prospects this year who can be had in the mid-late rounds.

but from what ive read on CP all the chiefs receivers the past couple years can get behind defensesLMAO

Man, looks like some of you were right in comparing him to Baldwin.

I'm a huge fan of this kid