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Discuss Thrower 04-11-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15622818)
Are they not doing that?

It's modern day America, so no.

vonBobo 04-11-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15622668)
Nevertheless, his paintings are rubbish art because they don't convey any meaning. You will have some so-called art expert tell you "but you have to look deeper to truly understand". That's the typical smokescreen argument you get from a Pollock apologist. What is there to understand when looking at a sheet covered in tiny paint splashes? There is no symmetry, no continuity, no structural shapes of any kind. Just paint splashes using a select group of colors. If an average minded person can't grasp the meaning of any of his paintings, maybe it's because they are meaningless paintings??

Alternatively, what meaningfulness is the average person getting from Mona Lisa, or really any portrait artist? Why should a person have to have an art history background just to know how and why anyone cares about Rembrandt.

Art is about emotion, inspiration. Applying rules about what is and isn't art is missing the whole point and is subjectively meaningless.

srvy 04-11-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 15622736)
Airports are often engineering works of art themselves. Then they offer a large space that will be populated by thousands of people every day. The tradition and importance of architecture and artwork in mass transit goes all the way back to trains. No, almost no one go because of the art, but it is a very important element in city planning.

I believe the tile work at the "current" terminals were some of my favorite installations in the city, been gazing at it my entire life. Its an exciting visual that suggests the adventure that is just beginning, and it is there again welcoming me back home.

Your thinking of architecture. Architects make pretty pictures just like artists. The engineers then take that architect's dream or nightmare and make it work on paper and then in construction. I work with both and have great respect for engineers. Not so much architects.

I am not against the art placed in the terminal at all. I do know that traveling public in a rush will breeze right by it heading for gate or baggage without a glance. An airport terminal is not an art gallery it just isn't. My beef is with a perfectly fine airport that doesn't have a hub airline come and go there. The biggest users of that airport are UPS and FedEx. The biggest public airline is Southwest who has threatened and cut back flight over the years here and can bolt at a moment's notice. The city should have taken care of what they had renovated when needed. Instead, they choose to neglect routine maintenance for 20 years and left it in shambles. They will do the same with the new one and the taxpayer will be dealt the task of paying for it.

Discuss Thrower 04-11-2021 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 15622821)
Alternatively, what meaningfulness is the average person getting from Mona Lisa, or really any portrait artist? Why should a person have to have an art history background just to know how and why anyone cares about Rembrandt.

Art is about emotion, inspiration. Applying rules about what is and isn't art is missing the whole point and is subjectively meaningless.

The average person isn't smart enough to "get" something from art.

Bearcat 04-11-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 15622740)
How about they focus on getting the ****ing thing completed as fast as is feasible?

After you get done hanging up this art, please go back to pouring concrete.

-King- 04-11-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 15622820)
It's modern day America, so no.

Last I saw were right on schedule if not a bit ahead.

-King- 04-11-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 15622923)
After you get done hanging up this art, please go back to pouring concrete.

LMAO

-King- 04-11-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15622825)
Your thinking of architecture. Architects make pretty pictures just like artists. The engineers then take that architect's dream or nightmare and make it work on paper and then in construction. I work with both and have great respect for engineers. Not so much architects.

I am not against the art placed in the terminal at all. I do know that traveling public in a rush will breeze right by it heading for gate or baggage without a glance. An airport terminal is not an art gallery it just isn't. My beef is with a perfectly fine airport that doesn't have a hub airline come and go there. The biggest users of that airport are UPS and FedEx. The biggest public airline is Southwest who has threatened and cut back flight over the years here and can bolt at a moment's notice. The city should have taken care of what they had renovated when needed. Instead, they choose to neglect routine maintenance for 20 years and left it in shambles. They will do the same with the new one and the taxpayer will be dealt the task of paying for it.

The whole having 3 separate buildings for the terminals made it basically impossible for it to be renovated and made modern no matter what they did.

srvy 04-11-2021 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15622946)
The whole having 3 separate buildings for the terminals made it basically impossible for it to be renovated and made modern no matter what they did.

There was a renovation plan that was pretty nice and cheaper by I think Burns and Mac. The city would have none of that they wanted new.

The 3 terminals the airlines demanded. In fact 4 were originally planned for future growth. TWA, Pan AM and Fronteir made a lot of promises they didn't keep. With Jumbo Jets and SST it was promised to become a major hub for International Travel. When the SST fell through the airport plan collapsed with it.

I believe the 2 old terminals still remain I don't know if demolition is planned or they will be utilized when new is open.

neech 04-11-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15622941)
Last I saw were right on schedule if not a bit ahead.

Yes and barely in time for the 2023 NFL draft scheduled to be in Kansas city, hopefully there will be no delays so it will ready for that major event.

I like the looks of the new airport and the old one certainly need to be upgraded and its a good idea to have some art sprinkled in it as people can have something to look at instead of staring at their cell phone all the time. Walk around check out the art and eat in one of the restaurants.

The city did bungle spectacularly it finally getting started but that's for another conversation.

https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-04-07...ntury-terminal

srvy 04-11-2021 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by neech (Post 15622990)
Yes and barely in time for the 2023 NFL draft scheduled to be in Kansas city, hopefully there will be no delays so it will ready for that major event.

I like the looks of the new airport and the old one certainly need to be upgraded and its a good idea to have some art sprinkled in it as people can have something to look at instead of staring at their cell phone all the time. Walk around check out the art and eat in one of the restaurants.

The city did bungle spectacularly it finally getting started but that's for another conversation.

https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-04-07...ntury-terminal

NPR KCUR saying 1.5 billion terminalLMAO I guess the parking garage is a 1 billion dollar fee. A convenient way of saying they held up the 1.5 billion price tag the voters voted and approved. One fact though is the 1.5 figure included the garage. The extra billion is the city dicking around and not getting underway when construction costs were lower. The airport would be wrapping up construction now if not for the city.

neech 04-11-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15623008)
NPR KCUR saying 1.5 billion terminalLMAO I guess the parking garage is a 1 billion dollar fee. A convenient way of saying they held up the 1.5 billion price tag the voters voted and approved. One fact though is the 1.5 figure included the garage. The extra billion is the city dicking around and not getting underway when construction costs were lower. The airport would be wrapping up construction now if not for the city.

And now they are dicking around building a new Broadway Bridge that they told the voters years ago they would do.

srvy 04-11-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by neech (Post 15623023)
And now they are dicking around building a new Broadway Bridge that they told the voters years ago they would do.

Yep

They spend more time naming it than getting going on it.

vonBobo 04-15-2021 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 15622825)
Your thinking of architecture. Architects make pretty pictures just like artists. The engineers then take that architect's dream or nightmare and make it work on paper and then in construction. I work with both and have great respect for engineers. Not so much architects.

I am not against the art placed in the terminal at all. I do know that traveling public in a rush will breeze right by it heading for gate or baggage without a glance. An airport terminal is not an art gallery it just isn't. My beef is with a perfectly fine airport that doesn't have a hub airline come and go there. The biggest users of that airport are UPS and FedEx. The biggest public airline is Southwest who has threatened and cut back flight over the years here and can bolt at a moment's notice. The city should have taken care of what they had renovated when needed. Instead, they choose to neglect routine maintenance for 20 years and left it in shambles. They will do the same with the new one and the taxpayer will be dealt the task of paying for it.

Art galleries are a very small portion of where art is located.

Either the tax payers pay for renovations or they pay for new development. Either way we are going to be on the hook somehow. Important infrastructure like this simply needs to be replaced eventually.

I hate losing the old airport because it fit my needs perfectly., But maintaining and replacing it is just a given.

ReynardMuldrake 04-15-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 15622300)
Whenever I see the works of Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko, it makes me want to vomit. Great art should have meaning, should be understood and most importantly should be extremely hard to create by an average person. Picaso's earlier work for example was great and then he tried to reinvent himself with that cubism shit.

Pollock and Rothko are two of my favorites, I love seeing them in person. Art isn't necessarily about having a specific meaning, it's about making you feel something. If you look at a piece and it evokes an emotional reaction, I would consider that art.


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