Even if the jury found him innocent, the judge wouldn't have seen how that is relevant and ruled guilty.

I keep trying to get through this series with out reading this thread, but i haven't had time to finish the series and people won't stop talking about it.

My question is, if someone else parked the car there, wouldn't there be DNA evidence of THAT person.

If the body was burned somewhere else and then moved, where was it burned?

It certainly does feel like evidence was planted though. The tube of blood? Sheesh. But what about the lack of EDMA in the blood sample from the car? What incentive would the FBI have to frame Avery?

Granted im only on the 7th episode, but there's a lot of valid questions still.

On episode 4. This thing is crazy. Just doesn't make sense. Corruption and backward ****s.

The makers of the film definitely had their agenda that's for sure.

Wanted to make it seem like the police and county once again ****ed Avery bigtime because they didn't want to pay out on that previous settlement.

Clearly not the case. He may not have raped that one woman back in the 80's, but the 2nd crime he did committ...and he's a weird sicko bastard regardless.

If Avery parked it there, why wasn't there any of HIS DNA in the car?

Who knows where it was burned, but fragments were found in at least 3 locations (Avery's burn pit, a barrel behind the Dassey/Janda house, and the quarry).

The test used by the FBI (which had only ever been used once before in the OJ trial) didn't have any validation as to what limits it could detect EDTA. Say if there were 100ppm EDTA in a sample, if the test can't detect anything less than 500ppm it's useless. It will give a false negative. The FBI never developed (or at least admitted to) a tolerance. Also, EDTA degrades in the presence of UV light, so daylight would further degrade it. As to the FBI, as stated the test is defective, so they wouldn't need to intentionally do anything, though upholding public perception of law enforcement as trustworthy is paramount.

Was this something covered in the documentary, or is this from personal knowledge (EDTA)? Yeah, it's pretty sketchy no matter how you slice it.

Easy, or you're next once he gets out again.

You've got a crusher and you just stash the car, coincidentally found by a woman 15 minutes in searching a 40 acre lot...with a camera provided by the ex boyfriend who somehow figured out her password....ex's and spouses are usually the guilty party, yet this guy was leading up the search.

This community wanted him found guilty, just like the first case, where the victim testified it was him, then 18 years later apologizes,,and Avery forgives her....after being locked up in an violent atmosphere, yet cause no problems during his "sentence".

Getting ready to get PAID, and then this? I don't think so. Common sense alone destroys this case.

Lenz and Colbach are dirty as the day is long. they knew who raped that girl. Back for another search when they arent even supposed to be involved and Lenz "finds" the key. Colbach knows the tag number beforehand and asks if Avery is in custody....


Dismissed juror said that there were people who had their mind made up already, and the jury caved..

Radiolab has an interview with the lady who originally put him behind bars. Hearing her talk about how he reacted upon release to her tells me a lot about his character. While he is no saint, he isnt a murderer. Lack of physical evidence is astounding, obvious planting of evidence AFTER coercing Brendan into "confessing" where they might look for evidence.
I still think it was Bobby Dassey and his step dad.

Bobby certainly gives off that murderer vibe.

Copied and pasted from https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...happier_about/

Scott and Bobby all the way.
They were the ones selling the van she was there to take pictures of. They called her from Steves phone and left messages, coxing her to stay in or around the area. They deleted the voicemails of their voice claiming to be Steve, straight from her phone, did not need a password.

They stopped her when she was leaving the salvage yard. They raped her and beat her to near lifeless in the process. It was their intention, it was not chance, it was planned. They knew Steve would be the suspect. They were tired of Steves impact on their family, the attention, they wanted him gone again. They did something they were not strangers to doing, violating a woman, knowing they wouldn't be the suspects.

They drove her near lifeless body (they weren't looking for necrophiliac rape... They wanted her warm..) in her car to the quarry. It is possible they had already finished any plans of sexual assault and had beaten her to death at this point but she had not been shot. They shot her at the quarry, either to finish the job or for sport (they weren't lying when they said they went hunting) but it appears mostly sport based on the number of bullets they used (11? I think) They burned her, right where she was killed (shot) on the ground. They drove her car back and stashed it where it would quickly be found and attached to Steve, they didn't crush it, they wanted it attached to Steve. (The same location Colburn found it without warrant, called it in and then lead the search party to it -thru the brother and ex boyfriend but told them they had to have someone else find it... And give them a camera.) This is also when Colburn grabbed the key from the ignition to plant later. They had to destroy the body however due to the evidence of the rape and their DNA from that.

They grabbed the burn barrel from behind Scotts house and took it to the quarry, shoveled in the burned body and everything with it they could, even their own bloody clothes from the assault, the phone and her items. And burned it again.

Moved the barrel back to the junk yard from the quarry, dumped the remains in the rubble of Steves bonfire from the night before, moved the barrel back to its original location behind Scott's house where it was regularly used to burn things so it wasn't suspicious. They did not expect bones remained in the barrel or at the quarry. The wiped their hands clean and waited for the cops to say it was steve.

They solidified their alibis together and they began to try to sell the murder weapon to get rid of it.
Any evidence of their involvement was likely destroyed unintentionally during the investigation of Steve and can not be retrieved.
The cops didn't kill her, they just did every illegal thing they could to make sure Steve looked like he did. And everyone involved got promotions out of it.
That body was not burned on site, people would have gotten the stench. It was burned at the quarry.

Unanswered mysteries remain:
1) Disconnecting the battery of the RAV4. I can not come up with a reason for this from the suspects other than they burned her key fob and couldn't shut off the car alarm so they pulled the battery power. More likely to me though is Leek was worried about alarms or lights coming on in the car when he was messing with it planting blood so he unhooked the battery while he was in there opening and closing doors and he didn't want lights turning on and off. He forgot to reconnect it afterwards.
2) the plates -- I can not come up with a reason the plates would be removed, at all. The suspects would have left them on to make it easier to identify. Colburn saw the car with the plates on it. At some point between Colburn seeing it and the search party finding it, the plates were removed, bent, and thrown in a random car? I can not come up with a reason any party would remove plates. Even Avery himself. Maybe colburn to cover his tracks so that there was no way he saw a car with plates if the search party finds one without plates... But I don't give colburn or the cops enough credit for that thinking.

Avery would have incinerated the body in the incinerator available to him on site. Avery would have crushed the car in the car crusher available. Avery would have evidence of burned bleach bottles, by the dozen, in the burn pile and a history of buying them.. And let's just face it, Avery is not clever enough to clean up all evidence of blood on his property so quickly and perfectly and not even leave evidence of a cleaning. He didn't do it, it didn't happen at his house or garage. I firmly believe he was framed.

The documentary may be biased, but you are looking at real video footage, real documents, real court footage. All of those point to the investigation being an obvious sham. They were going to do whatever it took to pin this on Avery. Whether or not he did it is irrelevant. The evidence wouldn't support a conviction, so they manufactured it.

Does anybody know more about the incident where Steven Avery "threw a cat on the fire"? Was he just messing around drunk with a bunch of people, or was it that he was mad, threw the cat in the fire to kill it? If it was the latter, it could help support he was a psychopath

Haha. This is literally me at this moment but only made it to episode 7. Will finish tomorrow but this is great on the same level as The Jinx.

just finished this last night. from her brothers first appearance...and understand I did NOT know how this was going to end...I thought he was just so...the things he was saying...I thought HE might have killed her. his FIRST appearance on the show just after she went missing he was talking about "moving on". I was like....REALLY!