Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17406672)

He's got some good tape for sure. I'd be happy with picking him. Only problem is imo he's a early-ish to mid-2nd guy. Taking him with #32 would be a bit too high, but he pretty much definitely won't be there when we pick in the 2nd.

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17406666)

Except for him being 2" shorter and 30lbs lighter? Not seeing the comp there.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17406653)

I don't think there's any scenario at all whereby 'a bit less than $17 million' for Calvin Ridley is a steal.

The issue I saw with Ridley this year is that the dude would just VANISH for weeks at a time.

Let's look at his season and highlight everything at/above 80 and at/below 40:

101, 32,40, 38, 122, 30, 5, 83, 20, 103, 89, 26, 53, 39, 90, 39, 106

Damn that's up and down. That's more red than green. For a 'reliable 3rd option' he sure as hell doesn't seem that reliable, does he?

And this is a guy who was ostensibly the #1 target on a good passing offense with a quality QB on a team that ran this style offense and was in a dogfight all season for a playoff spot.

Look at some of those games in there and tell me that he wasn't the reason they went home. That when he sucked up 21 targets for 7 catches and 80 yards in 2consecutive games against teams they needed to beat and lost by a combined 7 points that he wasn't a MASSIVE part of the problem.

I just can't see wanting to pay him what he'll cost.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17406690)

Didn't watch them so maybe he did just loaf for weeks at a time, but that could be just as indicative of incredibly poor offensive coaching.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17406692)

Also to be fair, can't just hand wave away why he's only got 5 years on his career and is almost 30. Dude is kind of dumb.

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17406702)

If MVS walks there is going to be another burner (and likely a veteran) signed. I can gaurantee that. The offense necissitates that. Cant have Rashee Rice, Justin Watson and say Michael Pittman a bunch of 4.5 forty at best guys. That isnt striking fear into any secondaries.

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17406702)

If MVS walks there is going to be another burner (and likely a veteran) signed. I can gaurantee that. The offense necissitates that. Cant have Rashee Rice, Justin Watson and say Michael Pittman a bunch of 4.5 forty at best guys. That isnt striking fear into any secondaries.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17406709)

It would be awfully nice if you could get a quasi-burner as the Z and then retain Hardman as more of a vert/crosser guy.

Which is why I'm intrigued by the Mooney/Davis/Samuel far more than many of the other options being mentioned. And why I suspect a lot of people like the idea of Ridley and Hollywood. I just can't get over their likely cost.

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17406713)

I love Hardman always will and I know he caught a bomb im the SB but Im done using him in downfield passing game. That dudes ball tracking ability is just a joke. Im all for keeping him around in the right role however.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17406700)

Ultimately I'm not inclined to shit on the player - he could help here.

But not at $17+ million/season. It's just too much. And at his age, 'lack of miles' be damned, the wall could come at any time.

It's just more risk and at too high a cost than I'm willing to take on. There are better ROI's to be had even if it's just money used to retain players we have on the roster.

Some team that badly needs a veteran WR1 will make a move for him. Or that has a QB on a rookie deal and wants to do what Veach did when he brought in Watkins (say, Chicago, who could pair him up with Moore for Williams).

There are teams that can pay him more than we should.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17406720)

He's definitely better on deep crossers than he is on the throw up over his head. MVS sucks something awful at that as well.

Hell, Hill wasn't great at it - he had a tendency to do the jump/turn thing to grab those.

It's funny - my old man was teaching me to do that when I was 7 so that's something I'm still oddly good at (for a normie, of course) but it does seem like that's really something innate. You'd think guys could learn it over time but it doesn't seem like it.

Guys can do it or they can't.