And injuries!

When Clark played hurt half the season and missed time and Jones missed several games as well. Not to mention Okafor and Ogbah.

Yup. We only played Ravens, Pats, Texans, Titans, Packers, Vikings. Bunch of garbage teams. :rolleyes:

What's hilarious is I think the current Titans would have beaten the Packers/Vikings.

Even some of the bad teams we played deserve more context.

The Lions were playing really good football before the injuries piled up. They were very competitive early on this season.

And the Chargers are probably the most talented 5-11 team ever. They beat the shit out of the team the 49ers just beat to get in.

I feel like we say this every year.

The Chargers are underachievers. There’s not doubt about it. Their roster is still very talented.

Even the Colts started the season 5-2 when we drew them in week 5.

Whatever - schedule smack doesn't move the needle here. There's plenty of reasons to be worried about this 9er team but nobody has to diminish the Chiefs to get there.

KC has had a great season and is a damn good football team that's peaking at the right time. SF is a very good team as well and presents a hell of a tough matchup

The rest is just trolls doing troll stuff.

Yep, Chargers kicked the crap out of Rodgers and company. Games like that one were pretty good evidence that Green Bay was a fraud at 13-3.

LMAO

And 2008 shouldn't count. Warner torched those guys through the air for almost 400 yards.

And our biggest “threat” at DE was a guy who could be blocked by a WR...

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How many sacks would we have had going into last year’s Super Bowl? And if it was over 55, would that arbitrary statistic have given anyone more confidence in our D?

We got 53 sacks in the same amount of games as the 49ers. Jimmy G needs to be just as worried about our rush, especially if we get a lead.

Except we won the game ..
So no alexcuses needed. We scored 7 straight TDs and the d did its job...

Alexcuses happen for losses not wins....

You sure you're even a football fan?

Aaand I'm spent.

Interesting new definition. I dont remember that qualification when you bashed AS incessantly while he was leading KC to back to back AFC West 1st place finishes.

And back to back 1st round playoff losses...

Andy Reid has had bigger challenges than this. This is not even the best cover 3 team he coached against.

In 2014 Andy has to play the Seahawks 3rd rated defense, probably one of the best cover 3 defenses ever. This is when they were still in their prime.

He lead that shit offense to 24 points despite having Alex Smith and a shit OL.

Rodney Hudson (only good OL that year), Eric Fisher’s first year at LT, Zach Fulton starting as a rookie, Ryan ****ing Harris (trash), Donald ****ing Stephenson (more trash) and Mike McGlynn’s sorry trash ass who should have never started a game he was so bad.

Andy lead that offense to 24 points despite the enormous disparity in overall talent. We’ve seen Andy scheme points. And that was without Mahomes, a respectable OL or any of our WR’s.

This guy gets it.

Quote me a single post where I said anything about alex Smith that is unreasonable. You're full of shit. You cant do it because I havent. I never called for him to he benched...I was ok with letting mahomes hold a clipboard for a year unlike some....etc. I was not one of the unreasonable ones...

But please , you claim I did this non stop so surely you can post several examples of me 'bashing' him unreasonably yes? You joined in 2017 and you're some expert on my smith posts?

I'm in a LOT of game day threads...so please...feel free to post my bashings..and prove me wrong.

Everybody keeps carrying on about the Chiefs offense and the 49ers defense, but I look for huge games from Nnadi, Jones, Clark, Sorensen & Mathieu and our Chiefs defense. I think our D-Line and Safeties are gonna step up huge against the run.


On another note that indirectly has to do with the Super Bowl as far as the coverage leading up to gameday. When our boys win the big one, I hope Shannon sodomizes Skip on their post Super Bowl show.

What? When you’re done ****ing that straw man you just made get made come back and talk. You hated on Alex even though he was winning. Now “alexcuses” only apply in a loss. You’re too funny. This is not about if your trashing him was “reasonable” it’s your ever morphing definition of terms. And what will certainly be a rage response. I think you would have less anger if you were a fan of a local team. Have you tried the banana slugs?

It is absolutely true that a dominant front four is the only thing that can neutralize a dominant QB/offense.

But I trust in Reid/Mahomes to have a plan.

Also Spags has been that dominant front four that picked off the most dominant team the league has seen since 1972 - so he should have some ideas about how to neutralize it, and how to dish out some dominance of our own.

Chiefs have Mahomes
Winers have Craplolol

Imo Sean Peyton cracked the code of the Niners defense...you don't march up and down the field all game like that without knowing a defense's flaws inside-out and I know Andy and co will have studied that game like crazy. Since then how many great passing offenses have they faced? Atlanta was probably the most talented group and the Niners lost that game. Seattle pushed them to the brink too despite Russ not having that many weapons.

Get the ball out as quick as possible and hope the receivers can get effective YAC against very good tacklers.

Seattle had that game and choked it away. They had 1st and goal from the 1....and then had a Delay of Game.

I think the thing people aren't talking enough about is the Chiefs defense.

I fully expect them to play great.

I think Clark may be a dark horse SB MVP candidate.

Most of the secondary didn't play in the Atlanta game.

But you could argue the most talented group of "Weapons" we faced this year was the OBJ, Landry, and Chubb or Gurley, Kupp, Woods, and Cooks or Kamara, Cook, Thomas, Hill, Ginn. Or Cook, Diggs, Thelien etc

I don't see the Chiefs "weapons" as better than most of those. Your running game kinda sucks and our DLine will be happy just pinning their ears back all game knowing that they're really only looking for screens but not run plays.

The problem with your comparison...Mahomes is not Mayfield, Goff, or Cousins.

It’s gonna stay that way too. From the brief clips I’ve seen on talk shows today, no one thinks they’re going to be able to stop the 9ers really at all... it’s like we have to win a shootout if we are going to win at all.

I would say the KC defense has earned its way into having a lot of doubters. They were awful last season and pretty bad for the first half of this season. Niners have a damn good offense as well, so that is a big time factor by itself.

Cool. You're gonna find out on 2/2. Just be sure to come back and tell us all about it after the game, mk?

I think this one will be an all out offensive war. The coaching is just too good. I really feel like this will be a game somewhat similar to the Rams/Chiefs last year except the point total will likely be closer to 75 to 80 combined points instead of 100.

It’s just gonna come down to which defense did their homework more and can figure out the tendencies of the opposing offense to get enough stops.

I’m thinking 37 is the number

Jimmy Game Manager had 18 turnovers this year.

I can see Clark getting a strip sack and HB intercepting one.

**** it, they'll find out the hard way.

This way, it's more crushing. Not like these San Francisco fairies are going to come on here after we hand the Forty-Giners asses to them and go "damn, you guys were right."

**** 'em.

And only one guy in that entire group of players is better than our 2nd best option. Many of them wouldn't qualify as our 3rd best and our 4th is more explosive than the entire damn lot.

Congrats, you've identified Michael Thomas and a group of dudes who would be, at BEST, The #3 option in our offense.

But this idiot is like "meh, Jarvis Landry is just as good..."

Moron.

So is Spags a wild-card here?

My feeling on Spagnolo was made pretty clear. I was ultimately convinced on the hire by the quality of assistants we were able to get to hitch their wagon to him (smart follows smart), but ultimately felt like his reputation was overblown.

But he's come up with unique gameplans twice already in the post-season and in the process has really made things difficult for the opposition. And those two squads couldn't be much more different on offense. Spags had something for 'em both.

It's possible that there's something to what he was able to do to NE in the SB that year. We saw a 'light' version of it the last 2 weeks. So does he have another ace up his sleeve? Is he really a guy who can individually gameplan for opponents?

Because man - if he's capable of doing even 80% of the individualized attacks that Reid can do, that's a potentially huge advantage. That's not to say he'll be holding SF to 13, but if he can hold them to 24 that has to put us in the driver's seat.

It is now Monday morning- and the 49ers still suck.

When the 49ers win, the ban hammer is going to come out so fast here.

Y'all can't even take any level of calm rational discussion at all without resorting to childish name calling.

I know it's selfish AF to say, but goddamn it sucks that Kobe has to die the week the Chiefs go to the SB. I've waited most my life for this and one of my biggest sports icons has to die the same week. SMH.

Makes it hard to get into the SB talk today.

No kidding. It crossed my mind yesterday how bad it would have been if it happened next Sunday. Its awful regardless, but that would have sucked the life out of the Chiefs big day for many I believe. Especially those who aren’t fans.

:harumph:
You are ugly and your feet stink.

The storylines for this game are so weird. The game tape shows something totally different IMO.

On this forum, y'all tend towards more player-centric comparisons than any other forum (i.e. who has the best QB, best "weapons" etc) and you overrate your system players way too much.

Anything less than "Mahomes is the GOAT" is shouted down.

And rightly so.

All22 is acting like it’s just Chiefs fans that say Mahomes is easily the best QB in the NFL with the best group of weapons as well.

News flash:

It isn’t just us that believes that.

You come here and passively insult our team and try to convince us of why we should fear the 9ers and then try to play the victim card when someone tells you your full of shit. GTFO with that bullshit, man. That's weak.

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This is a strange response to my post. Did you quote the wrong person? I was talking about the KC defense and only said they earned their reputation as a bad defense the last couple seasons. Your rant has nothing to do with what I wrote.

So I’ve heard it all this morning on twitter.

Our defense sucks.
Our offensive line sucks.
We have no run game.
Mahomes will be on his back the entire game.

Trust me, after dealing with Patriots trolls for a few years, you 9ers trolls are a cakewalk by comparison. I'm sure Jimmy G is happy banging porn stars, but he's nothing more than a Patriots cast off, and this forum knows a Patriots cast off when we see them. Even if the 9ers win, it'll be in spite of him, just like Joe Flacco. I'm actually surprised that the mods didn't shut down new account registrations leading up to the Super Bowl.

What the **** are you talking about?

Any "calm, rational discussion" from 49ers fans has been "we're gonna run all over your #26 ranked run defense."

Then Chiefs fan goes "yeah, that's what Titans fans and the media said before the championship game."

49ers fan : "but we're so physical."

Chief fan : "your backs are more physical than Henry?"

49ers fan : "yeah. It's different."

Chiefs fan : "how is it different?"

49ers fan : "because we've had a tougher schedule."

Chiefs fan : "the Niners had the 11th hardest strength of schedule, the Chiefs 15th...with an opponent's win percentage differential of .3%. Oh, and from week 11, the Chiefs have had the best defense in the league."

49ers fan : "way to pick and choose numbers that suit your narrative."

Chiefs fan : "what?"

49ers fan : 'we're gonna beat you. Chiefs are a finesse team. 49ers are gonna win."

And it's not just here with the 49er trolls.

Check out these comments from YouTube :

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^this dipshit obviously doesn't realize that the Chiefs beat the Ravens and Patriots this year.

https://i.ibb.co/vjnNSsh/Screenshot-...6-You-Tube.jpg

^and this dumbass...obviously doesn't know we're a "system team".

ROFL
LMAO

Someone should tell him able and Abel are two different words.

So, as soon as you find me a 49ers fan capable of actually having a "calm, rational discussion" about this year's Super Bowl, I'm totally capable. As of right now, the closest we've found is Hern, who has stated that if the 49ers don't stop Mahomes (spoiler : they won't) then the 49ers will lose.

"System" players?

Dude, we've had the same system with basically the same players for years.

The difference is Mahomes.

You make a lot of assumptions.

I think that Houston is the closest comparison of what we’ve seen to SF’s offense. Top 10 rushing team, good QB, good weapons, very good TE (Fells was 3rd in TD’s among TE’s) and a pretty good, albeit not great (still overrated) offensive mind in Bill O’Brien.

I saw a stat yesterday that we are the best 2nd quarter team in the league. IIRC we have an incredibly small margin of time being behind. I give the offense much credit, but Spags is just as paramount.

The entire 1st quarter is like a case study for him. He’s sticking with his original plan, not veering too far off of his gameplan. Then in the 2nd quarter he adjusts and just turns everything around.

The Texans came out and embarrassed us in the opening drive and everything looked like a disaster, but Spags and this defense shut down that offense in 8 of the their last 9 drives. The adjustments that Spags makes are incredible and that comes from his excellent positional hires.

This will be a different animal though. Rat Jr is a terrific play designer. It will undoubtedly be his biggest challenge to date.

If I had to choose, the more favorable matchup is Spags vs Rat Jr than Andy vs Saleh

Damien Williams is going to have a big game catching the football. Mark it down - he'll be guarded one-on-one by a LB or SS in the flat, and the Niners are going to have to put their best coverage LB on Kelce. Kelce's going to command so much attention in the middle of the field that Williams will be there in the flat for easy 7 yard gains - more if he makes a man miss like he often does. These throws don't require protection to hold up for more than a couple seconds. Easy money.

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I've seen quite a bit of the 49ers this year honestly......here's what I think when I watch them.

Their defense while being good and having really good front 4 talent has some holes in it. Playing Seattle cover 3 press bail as your scheme kind of opens you up to getting beat because well so many teams run this scheme now it's not something that isn't seen all the time.

The biggest stuff I saw with it is they struggle bad in the secondary with a couple of things. Speed, their secondary isn't very fast and Shermans whole game is vet smarts and playing his 1 spot of the field. If you get vertical with them you take a way a ton of what they're trying to do. The Saints did this really well over and over, especially with Cook early in that game.

Then you factor in what really set the game off for them, Michael Thomas knows how to find holes in the zone. If you have speed+guys that know how to find the zone hole, they literally can not stop it.

Basically their entire defensive game is "This line is going to make you throw the ball fast and we're gonna set in this zone and jump your routes".

Even in the Packers game, the pick Rodgers threw at the end of the 1st half, the CB Mosely is literally squatting between 2 receivers and gets a pick doing it. If you take those chances against Mahomes you are going to give up 70 yard completions, the question is will they back out of playing this way or will they still take those chances?

This is one of those times when it would be nice to still have Hunt around, the LBs on the Niners are fast but small...Kwon Alexander is a little dude by NFL LB standards but he can run.

Matter of fact Kelce is significantly bigger than all of their LBs so he may have a good mismatch there.

Here's the thing.

Some of us have been on this forum for 20 years and been fans for 30, 40, or even 50 years.

ALL WE'VE EVER SEEN IS SYSTEM PLAYERS. Especially at QB.

What you're seeing is a radical paradigm shift, caused by the fact that we've watched individual QB's like Elway, Brady, Rodgers, etc. win Super Bowls by elevating everybody around them.

This is the first time since LEN DAWSON the Chiefs have actually had a QB that could do that. You just happen to have arrived right in the middle of a seismic shift in the KC fanbase.

Chiefs just need to protect the ball and we’ll be fine.

Every loss over the last 2 seasons has been the result of dumb errors on our part. Turnovers have been the primary issue in most of them.

Going back to last season:

Rams: 5 turnovers (I think 2 were for TDs)
Seattle: 2 lost fumbles by receivers
Patriots (regular season): 2 interceptions

This year:

Colts: McCoy fumble
Texans: Mahomes strip sack at the end of the half
Packers: McCoy fumble
Titans: Williams fumble for TD

Just take care of the ball and we’ll be fine.

Excellent analysis.

It's not that anything less than "Mahomes is the GOAT" is shouted down. It's that there is no patience and little tolerance for opposing fans who come in confident and talking the same smack we've heard for the past month.

Ever since the Texans won their opening round game, it's been the same storylines tossed out by opposing fans.

If you want to talk about how your D is going to play against Mahomes and the Chiefs, the pass D is first and foremost. KC isn't going to run it to try and "establish" something just to be stubborn. It's going to be a complement and secondary or even tertiary part of the gameplan.

Your DL has to worry about, in order:

1) Defeating one of the best pass-blocking OL in football, with top-notch bookend pass protectors
2) Screen/misdirection game (Reid is going to use motion and misdirection just like Shanahan to slow the DL down and try to exploit them if they get too aggressive)
3) Mahomes' containment. This pairs with (1). The 49ers have to rush Mahomes hard so he doesn't have time to pick apart the zone D. But they also have to keep containment on Mahomes, and they have to stay disciplined so they don't get crushed by (2).
4) Defend the run game

And to complicate matters, the player who your fans cite as the key factor in making your pass rush effective is a completely one-dimensional pass rush specialist who can be exploited pretty easily if he plays on early downs.

So what is Saleh going to do? Is he going to play Ford - who is gimpy as usual - on early downs he normally wouldn't (Because really, every down is a passing down for KC)? Is he going to use him as normal, in traditional passing downs?

If Ford plays on early downs, you're going to likely be facing 11 personnel (goodbye to one LB, hello to K'Juan Williams). KC will audible into runs if it can isolate Ford.

I mean, a very simple action that will become tough to defend in this situation is a 3x1 alignment that motions into a 2x2 alignment:

Watkins OL Kelce Hill Robinson
Williams/Mahomes

In that alignment, facing a nickel D with Ford on the field at LE, you're going to motion Hill to the left side and be set up to run zone to the opposite side.

The slot corner - presumably K'Juan Willliams, right? - is likely going to motion with hill in that alignment. If he doesn't, KC will throw the ball and have Watkins and Hill isolated on one side against just one CB (good luck!). If the corner follows Hill, it sets KC up nicely to run outside zone to the outside. Kelce will crackback Ford. Schwartz pulls to the second level and gets into the LB. Zone blocking the rest of the way. They probably leave Bosa unblocked and force him to account for Mahomes (if he doesn't/crashes down the line aggressively, KC will run a true zone read and hurt them that way).

Holding that type of run play down is going to rely on Sherman beating a 1x1 block from a good blocking WR in Demarcus Robinson, one of the LB's getting around Schwartz coming to the second level, or Armstead shooting in quickly enough to blow the play up in the backfield.

Ford on early downs gives a real schematic advantage to a creative offense with a smart QB who can change the play at the line based on defensive reactions. Even to a guy who watches from his couch.

New England states = Sore Losers LMAO

The other thing I forgot to throw in, the Saints didn't do this because Brees doesn't really move.

But QB's that can move, Wilson, Murray and then the Rams showed them a moving pocket and it completely ****ed with their line like no tomorrow. This isn't an all time defense, it's talented but it can be had and other teams have exposed that.

This is such an awesome match-up. Even if I weren't a huge Chiefs fan I'd still really, really be looking forward to watching this game.

The Texans game was on the refs and the bullshit picking up that flag, and the Packers game was on Reid punting the ball to Rodgers with 4 min left on 4th and 3.

Something I'd love for a 49er fan to somehow defend, because Richard Sherman doesn't move, what is to stop the Chiefs from throwing Robinson out there on him and making their scrub CB's try to deal with Tyreek and creating a massive mismatch?

The Chiefs will know how to exploit Dee Ford. They know exactly who he is.

And if you take him out of the equation, the 49ers pass rush looks a bit pedestrian. In fact, the other 3 or 4 guys in the rotation produce TWICE a good with him on the field as they do with him out.

Sherman is slow as hell. I'd line up Hill against him time and time again.

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Yes, but both games also had key turnovers.

If we don’t fumble at the end of the half against the Texans, that game is a win. That fumble kept them in that game.

To be fair, Montana elevated the team in 1993, those two playoff wins were huge at the time.

Sucks that he got knocked out with a late helmet to helmet hit in Buffalo that he honestly never really recovered from...

Meth is a helluva drug

Picking up that flag was even more egregious- we were on the verge of blowing them out at that point. Score there and the game is over, well before the fumble.

The other thing is their DL is athletic but is very light....

Nick Bosa comes in at nearly 270 at end so he's about the only one that you go ok he's big for his position, look at the rest..

Armstead is 6'8 280
Buckner 6'7 280
Thomas 6'3 280
Ford is like 240

That is extremely light especially at the DT position, those are some long lanky dudes to be playing in the middle honestly.

I think Mahomes avoiding injury is important. Chiefs offense died in Colts/Texans games after his ankle got messed up in 2nd quarter of each game.

Does anyone think that SFs pass defense is much if any better than GB really?

I think GB has the better secondary, and their pass rush is right there with them. Their problem was they couldn’t stop the run against a team like SF to let their pass defense actually work.

And when KC played GB, with Matt Moore, their DBs couldn’t cover our receivers at all. Hill ran circles around Kevin King, a guy who is similar to a Richard Sherman in terms of body type and athleticism.

And again, that was with Matt Moore! And it wasn’t like we just exploited their bad run defense. We just threw it on them all night with pretty darn good success.

Kelce is a mismatch every single game, and that's why the Niners are going to have to commit valuable defensive resources to slowing him down in the middle of the field. In that Cover 3 shell, there's a natural soft spot in the short flats which I believe will be even softer because of the attention Kelce will draw. Who does that benefit most? Damien Williams. He's going to catch a bunch of passes in the flat unless the Niners adjust. Dude's been on a roll lately as well.

Exactly.

I think this is where the big disconnect comes in between the 49ers fans who have shown up here and been surprised KC is not more scared of their line.

Their whole success as a pass rushing unit is based on a player KC fans know extremely well and know how easy it is to exploit.

The 49ers have a big choice to make. Are they going to treat every down like a passing down and get Ford on the field, to maximize the effectiveness of their pass rush? And if so, how are they going to handle how easily he can be exploited in the run game?

Or are they going to use him like normal and take the risk of getting roasted for chunk plays on 1st down, 2nd and short downs because KC throws the shit out of the ball and their pass rush is average without Ford?

Just hope refs are ready to throw flags if this happens again.