Lemme guess, Montana and Young weren't good QBs because many of their throws were slants to Jerry Rice. correct?

I was going to bring up the same thing.

Jerry Rice on the slant led to much YAC.

Montana and Young were actually just terrible. :rolleyes:

If he's still around after the first day....maybe. Otherwise...meh.

Yay for Glennon! Nice work today!!

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Where the Glennon fanboys at?

BlackBob? Don't tell me I have to teabag RunKC

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what the **** you talking about?

if you missed two of the int's how many other passes did you miss

So you shouldn't say EVERYTHING looked solid except the int's
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You are just off your game today, aren't you. Either that or I'm giving you too much credit here.

People saying that Mike Glennon is worth the #1 pick, yet Geno isn't are just trolling. You cannot be that idiotic... its just not possible.

No, the majority of chiefs fans are idiots. It's sad really.

I think it's you.

I'll go get the post
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Joe Flacco watched this game and went "Holy shit, I didn't even look that bad in my first playoff games against real NFL teams like Pittsburgh and Tennessee."

So. He threw three int's you saw one of them.

But aside from the three int's of which you missed two EVERYTHING else looked solid
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That is Pioli-esque timing there. Maybe Pioli just missed all of Cassel and everyone else he brought in bad plays?ROFL

I'm glad someone understands me here.
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And how many other plays did the guy miss?
Maybe saw that what you caught while watching looked solid. Which could conceivably be a third of the game.

Don't say everything.
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Wouldn't give a bag o dicks for him.

Me either and I'm not a fan of dicks. Well except my own
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It's the same logic these fools are using when they tuned into the Pinstripe bowl the other day and assume Geno Smith sucks.

He's got multiple seasons of tape kicking ass, yet he's judged on the couple of games he didn't live up to expectations as the other games....

May as well draft Te'o or Starr.

You have multiple dicks? How do your pants fit?

Like a glove.

*badum cha*

SAUTO has penii??

And his footwork is terrible. That's his biggest knock. He floated all of his ints today and looked like a bag of crap. Give geno that o line and the conditions emu got today and he would have tore it up

And he has a long slow stroke, has a little too much jerk to it to fit my liking
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......ROFL!

He can jerk it with the best of them.

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Glennon is in my top ten....

of draft-eligible quarterbacks in 2013 at #9 on my QB big board. Right behind another guy who is all tools and needs a complete mechanical overhaul: Logan Thomas.

I like Tyler Wilson the most out of any QB in this class. I wouldn't mind Geno or Barkley if he's in the right system with the right HC, but they have their flaws too.

I want a HC who has proven his offensive abilities. Mike McCoy, Andy Reid or Chip Kelly would be my favorites.

Well here is NFLDraftCountdown's scouting report on him.


Mike Glennon
Height: 6-6 | Weight: 232 | 40-Time: 5.10

Official Bio


Strengths:
• Outstanding height with a large projectable frame
• Fantastic arm strength and can make all the throws
• Can fit ball into tight spots but also varies speeds
• Is able to stretch the field vertically with deep ball
• Clean delivery / release and throws a pretty spiral
• Used to working under center in a pro style system
• Vision to scan the field and go through progressions
• Decent touch, timing and accuracy when given time
• Able to get rid of the ball while draped by defenders
• Durable with terrific physical and mental toughness
• Mature and intelligent with a very good work ethic
• Developing talent still offers considerable upside

Weaknesses:
• Doesn't handle pressure well at all and lacks poise
• Poor pocket presence and holds onto ball too long
• Footwork, mechanics and accuracy are inconsistent
• Gets careless with the ball and makes bad decisions
• Has too much confidence in arm and will take chances
• Extreme lack of mobility and is essentially a statue
• Struggles mightily to throw on the run when flushed
• Ability to rally team and be a leader of men in doubt
• Relatively inexperienced with questionable instincts

Injury History:
• None of Consequence

Notes:
A two-year starter for the Wolfpack --- Served as the backup to Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks early in college career --- Brother Sean played quarterback at Virginia Tech (2004-08) --- Was a highly-touted prep All-American and coveted recruit --- One of the most prolific signal callers in North Carolina State history, ranking at or near the top of the program record book in almost every career and single-season passing category --- The first NC State quarterback to throw for 30 touchdowns or more in two different seasons and joins Tajh Boyd of Clemson as the only players in ACC history to accomplish that feat --- Graduated with two degrees, a Bachelor's in Business Management and a Master of Arts in Liberal Studies --- Was not surrounded by a particularly talented supporting cast and often dealt with protection issues, drops, etc. that were at least in part to blame for ups and downs --- Worked as a counselor at the Manning Passing Academy prior to senior season and elicited raves from onlookers during throwing sessions --- Classic pocket passer with all the physical tools to be a high level starter at the next level and majority of flaws are correctable --- Looks like a first round pick one moment then a late rounder the next and consistency will be absolutely vital to maximizing vast potential --- Boom or Bust .

NFL Player Comparison: Joe Flacco


Career Statistics
Year GP COMP ATT YDS COMP % TD INT
2008 RS - - - - - -
2009 7 24 39 248 61.5% 1 2
2010 3 9 13 78 69.2% 0 0
2011 13 283 453 3,054 62.5% 31 12
2012 13 330 564 4,031 58.5% 31 17
Totals 36 646 1,069 7,411 60.4% 63 31

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Scouti...ke-Glennon.php

I'm not going to sell you on him because I don't think he's very good. What he showed during the bowl game is what I think he is...overrated and nervous.

Weaknesses:
• Doesn't handle pressure well at all and lacks poise

Neeeeext

That scouting report reads like a homeless mans Bledsoe.

At least Bledsoe got to a super Bowl in the 1996 season :/

Sounds like Cassel with a better arm.

Here's a selling point.

Geno Smith played 6 defenses in the top 50 and had a record of 1-5.

Mike Glennon played 5 defenses in the top 50 and had a 3-2 record, including beating the best defense in the entire country (Florida State) while putting up a 7 TD/7 INT ratio with an offense worse than Geno's.

Before the bowl game, Glennon had 6 TD's to 4 INT's against those top teams.

Out of those 5 losses the only 1 you can really "blame" on Geno was the K-State game. WVU was out coached in that game.

You are so quick to throw Geno under the bus, but I think you forget how bad WVUs defense was this year. Without Geno WVU finishes dead last in the Big 12

What's genos Td int ratio in those games?

TDs 11
INTs 5

He threw 6 ints all year, 5 of them in the losses. So that proves my point on how much this WVU team depended on him. Without Geno, WVU and KU have a turd fight at the bottom.

When Glennon is bad, he's real bad. He threw 17 ints this year

Just stop with this nonsense. Geno throws bubble screens and quick out passes 80% of the time of course teams won't pick those passes off.

If you seriously think that, you havent watched any wvu games other than the pinstripe bowl and should probably just sit this one out.

Exactly. Geno does throw a lot of screens and quick outs, but he also throws crazy deep balls on the money. Have you watched any of his games? The kid can make EVERY single throw a good QB needs to make. He throws fade passes into the endzone better than a lot of pros.

I respect everyones opinion, even yours. But you have got to do more homework on Geno before you say things like this.

Selling point number 2 on Mike Glennon: beating the best defense in the entire country.

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Down 16-3 in the 4th quarter and throwing 2 TD's to beat the best defense in the country.
Threw game winning TD on 4th down with 16 seconds left in the game.

This is the most impressive thing any QB in this class has done all season long.

Does anyone really think that FSU's defense is the best in the country? C'mon.

Well I had to turn it off just after he threw the interception after the two minute mark in the video. I'm sure he may have made good plays later in the video, but man he made some REALLY bad throws to start off in that video. I can also see a hitch in the throw that is causing more float on his passes than neccessary, which is something a guy at 6'6 shouldn't have to do.

Geno beat the #1 and #2 defense in college football last year.

FSU is statistically ranked the 2nd best defense in the country behind Alabama.

Bjoern Werner (top 5 projected NFL draft pick) and Tank Carradine gave FSU the best pass rush of any team. Both had 10+ sacks.

Everette Dawkins is one of the best run stoppers in the draft this year.

Xavier Rhodes is said to be the 2nd best talent CB in the draft and is expected to be taken in the first round.

They also have a couple more younger guys who are going to be high draft picks in the future.

Um yeah they are the best this year.

Clemson? Maryland?

Do I have that right?

I believe it was LSU and Clemson, I could be wrong. I'll ask Siri and see what she thinks.

Things I learned about Glennon watching this highlight tape:

1) He's really good at throwing crossing routes to guys that have a step on their defender
2) He checks down a LOT
3) He's not very mobile (though he can throw a bit when on the move)
4) He makes a lot of risky throws

I didn't see any WOWing throws on that highlight tape.

Geno put up 49 against a top 10 ranked passing defense this year. But who cares, I've been told that drafting a QB in the top 5 is WAy to risky and we can only draft sure fire HOF'ers that high.

He's white and can actually throw a football with some degree of accuracy. Therefore, he is not Vince Young.

More selling points on Mike Glennon.

-Has 2 years experience in a pro style WCO.
-All ACC Academic team. Kid is really smart. Graduated in 3 years and is working on his masters. Never dropped a class.
-Very good in the intermediate throws.
-Can make good throws downfield.
-Goes through progressions almost every play.
-Reads defenses well and can fool DB's with his eyes.
-Very strong arm. Not elite, but 2nd tier like Joe Flacco.

Watch this Clemson (63rd ranked D, 1 higher than OU) game to get another great look at his abilities.

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Like I said before, his accuracy problems are a mirage. In previous threads, it was noted that his receivers dropped 12 passes in the NC and Maryland game. In this Clemson game, his WR's dropped 5 balls that should have been easy catches. If those 17 passes were caught, like they should have been, his completion % is 61.5.

And yes he does check down a lot, but I don't blame him. His WR's suck ass and get no separation while his OL is getting beat constantly.

When was the last time some dipshit came out of college with a 58.5 percent completion percentage and was a good NFL QB?

When I saw him live the only passes that were accurate were passes in which there wasn't even a window. It was more like a 30 yard cushion. When required to throw into a small window he couldn't even hit the side of the house.

His accuracy problems are real, IMO. He sucks. Do not want.

I just find it absurd 95% of the board is so sold on geno smith.

Why?

I can't believe someone is trying to make a case for Mike Glennon.

We're not "sold" on him. There's a chance he could bust. There are things I don't like about his game.

But 95 percent of the board pretty clearly sees him as the BEST option, over any other player, and that's pretty hard to argue against.

Russell Wilson played in the same offense with the same coach with the same shitty surrounding talent and never completed 60% of his passes 3 years at the same school

He uh has a uh nice neck/Lestat

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People like Glennon because he's not good enough to go #1 overall, and we could miss him later. That makes him desirable.

Case and point right there folks.

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Lot of people think Glennon is top 15 worthy right now. Quite a few others have him in the top 10.

If he can go 8th to Buffalo, he can go 1st overall.

This fanbase has a sick fascination with finding the best bargain instead of the best player. Why use the #1 on a QB when a Drew Brees in the 2nd round happens once a decade, or a Russel Wilson (if he doesn't fall off) or a Joe Montana in the 3rd. We're due our Tom Brady, damn it. It happens all the time to other franchises (of course it doesn't...) so if we just keep trying with these projects, eventually we'll hit our home run. That's why they always fall in love with guys like Croyle or Stanzi. Maybe that's finally our guy! Gotta keep drafting those offensive linemen, so we can keep on running the ball, and we'll have great protection when our middle round quarterback savior finally arrives, or when we finally land that next great costoff backup from whatever flavor of the month team we're emulating. God forbid we use the highest pick we may ever have on the most important position. Find a bargain instead. Or even better trade it for some value!

When was the last time a pure pocket passing QB who had all his success in a spread offense in college made it big in the NFL?

If you're asking me, then that question is irrelevant. I just want the team to identify their top QB out of the group and draft him, whether that's Smith, Wilson or Barkley. If any of those three grade out as top 10 on our board (and I suspect more than one will), then that needs to be our pick.

Saw a story a while back addressing this very thing. Spread QB's actually performed better (better td/int, higher comp %, more wins) than pro offense QBs going back to 05.

So Smith is suppose to be like Aaron Rodgers. Wilson is suppose to be Favre. Which NFL QB best fits Glennon's skill-set...?

I agree with this to a point. If he goes #8 because he's the best QB left, that doesn't mean he's worth #1. Presumably that would mean 2 or 3 teams, maybe 4 have already picked a different QB...

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Wait what? You think he's Ryan Fitzpatrick?

not entirely. I just picked one of the crappier starting Qbs in the league~

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Mike Glennon I 6067 I 232 I QB I Senior I North Carolina State
40 Time (E): 5.05
All Star Game Appearance: Senior Bowl (tentative)


Arm Strength: Mike Glennon possesses the strongest arm of any 2013 QB. There isn’t a throw Glennon can’t make on the field. What I love most about Glennon is that despite the big arm he isn’t always looking to jam it into tight windows. Quarterbacks with big arms often look to throw into windows that aren’t there and become overconfident in their arm strength. Glennon, at times, isn’t trustworthy enough of his arm. His ability to push the ball vertically will draw serious attention come evaluation time.


Accuracy: Coming into the 2012 season, all I heard about Glennon was that he wasn’t accurate enough to be a top prospect. I didn’t see that in any tapes that I watched. He, like most young quarterbacks, tends to lock into his first option and make mistakes trying to do too much with the ball. When Glennon misses it’s usually his feet that are the culprit. He has heavy feet and gets stiff on his front leg. The one consistent spot that Glennon seemed to miss on was balls delivered 15+ outside the hash. While there seems to be a lot of negatives, I’m nitpicking. Bottom line is that when Glennon is in a rhythm, he’s an accurate passer that can light up a defense with his arm talent.


Throwing Mechanics: As discussed, Glennon’s mechanical issues can be attributed to his footwork. He will get stiff on the front leg and throw flat footed. He’s got an over the top delivery that’s picture perfect as he stands at almost 6’7”. From the waist up it’s fun to watch the ball pop off Glennon’s hand. His release is longer than you would like but it comes out with so much velocity that it makes up for the long release.


Mobility/Athleticism: Glennon isn’t going to be many in a foot race but he has the ability to slide and climb the pocket to avoid rushers. I was extremely impressed with Glennon’s ability to throw on roll outs and boot action. For a guy that doesn’t appear to be a great athlete he understands the value of moving the pocket at times.


Pocket Presence: Despite having poor feet, Glennon has a pretty good feel for the pocket and rushers. He does a nice job of seeing the blitz and getting the ball out quickly to his target. There’s plenty of guys excelling in the league with poor feet and Glennon has some of the same attributes. Tom Brady avoids taking shots by getting the ball out quick and is able to slide to avoid pass rushers. Glennon, clearly, isn’t Tom Brady but he shows a similar sense of pressure and ability to get the ball out his hand quickly. My favorite aspect of Glennon’s game is his ability to throw with trash at his feet. Glennon seemed to excel under pressure situations when forced to improvise and check the ball down.


Intangibles/Character: Mike Glennon took over the reins from Russell Wilson and hasn’t looked back since. He’s an intelligent quarterback that has mastered a pro-style offense at N.C. State. Glennon avoids mistakes with his ability to see the defense pre-snap and understanding where the ball needs to go. He didn’t have the best weapons or offensive line at N.C. State and excelled despite that. Glennon took a lot of shots and continued to get back up this season which will earn the respect of an NFL locker room. He appears poised on and off the field which will bode well for his future as an NFL QB.


Size: Glennon is about as physical a presence as they come at the quarterback position. At near 6’7” and 232 pounds he has the prototype body for an NFL QB.


Overall: Mike Glennon will be heavily scrutinized until April’s draft. There’s a ton to like with this guy and he can’t count me as a fan of his game. I think there will be a bunch of varied grades on this guy ranging from 1st to 3rd round. I fall into the first round category. He has NFL tools and is more ready to play than many give him credit for. He played in an NFL system taking snaps under center and in the gun. The pre-draft process will be an important one for Glennon and he’s best served to throw at every opportunity. For me, Glennon possesses the tools to be a capable starter in the NFL and first round pick.

Click here to check out my film study on Glennon done earlier in the college football season.

http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/15/mik...outing-report/


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He reminds me of Phil Simms, except a lanky player. Kind of good, but seems to have lapses of not so good. He has a good sense of the pocket, like this guy said, but I kind of thought Freeman would become a decent QB at the NFL level and he hasn't, really. So, maybe he's a little like Josh Freeman and Phil Simms. He can make throws, seems like a cool cucumber, but doesn't always raise his level to get the win.

Not bad...
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Glennon is a poor man's Matt Ryan. Bray's ceiling is Matt Stafford with Drew Brees' decision making.