He also said they sliced her throat in the bedroom.

You're completely ignoring the fact that Brendan Dassey had already told his cousin about seeing a body. The cops started off that way to show Brendan that they already talked to his cousin, and he wasn't going to be able to lie. But just ignore the rest of the interview, ignorance is bliss.

And just to make you happy, I took your little test. The results are attached.

I think the real question is A) Are you Brendan Dassey? and B) Why are they letting you post from prison?

I don't deny there were inconsistencies in his story. He has said that they did and that they didn't.

I think the evidence is pretty clear they didn't and couldn't have cleaned it up.

Also, SA's lawyers should have taken a change of venue in light of the sensational media coverage.

And you mean to tell me Avery is smart enough to clean the body and area he killed her with bleach but not smart enough to get rid of her car?

That doesn't make much sense.

You see that garage? You really think those two idiots could have cleaned it up so well that forensic scientists with unlimited time and resources couldn't find a spec of blood?

They may have killed her but not in the way the prosecutor and the courts convicted them of.

his cousin also under oath said she made up the confession conversation

Another thing for me is the car

These 2 idiots are smart enough to wipe away all DNA evidence (if the murder went down the way the State claims, it would be EVERYWHERE) but they hide her car by leaving it on their property and simply placing a few sticks over it. Plus the fact that they apparently "forgot" they had possession of a crusher that would have made the car pretty much un-discoverable

There was also droplets of deer blood found all over the garage, essentially debunking any bleach cleanse scenario.

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:D

I didn't even know what kind of a test it was. I just googled IQ test and it came up because DementedLogic seems awful reeruned.

I figured it was like every other lame IQ test on the internet that's basically just puzzles and shit.

I'm the reerun, yet you can't explain how Brendan Dassey told the cops about the purse and cell phone in the burn barrel, when that information had not been released to the public. You are so emotionally attached to the idea that Avery and Dassey are innocent, that you aren't able to step back and look at things objectively. I understand the feeling. I felt the same way after the documentary.

The first people to mention a purse, a cellphone, and a camera were the ****ing detectives.

Wasn't the cell phone used the next morning? How was it in the burn barrel then? Why was the a separate burn barrel from the Fire?

Exactly what did Brendan "confess" to that wasn't first prompted by the police? It wasn't the purse or cell phone.

Even bleach wouldn't rid that garage of a gunshot crime scene...

You do understand that Fassbender and Weigert are names of the investigators, not nicknames for Brendan Dassey, right? I'm assuming you don't, because it's the only way anyone with a basic reading comprehension (and by basic, I mean even Brendan Dassey could understand what he was reading) would go through the original interview on 2/27/06 and conclude that Dassey mentioned anything before the investigator's suggest it.

I'm not sure that anyone in this entire thread is 100% sure of Steven and Brandon's guilt or non-guilt, but almost anyone with basic brain function knows that none of this went down the way the prosecutors say it did. And even more-so, you are the only person posting in here that reads a very clearly written out interview (again, the original on 2/27/06) and takes away from it that Brendan Dassey gave one original thought in his "confession"

THIS. Those two idiots could not have cleaned up the blood so perfectly in either of those rooms. Way too many objects and trash. I doubt a professional could have pulled that trick off.

Dexter couldn't have pulled this off

Lmao...

And don't forget.. According to the prosecutors/cops Avery is smart enough to use bleach to clean up a gruesome rape/murder but not smart enough to take the victim's key and throw it into a river or a dumpster. Instead he decided to leave it in his house...

Yeah.. Very believable...

We’ve got the full text of the letter below but Zellner sums it up nicely: Kratz basically asks Avery to confess to him so he can write a tell all book about the case. As if that wasn’t messed up enough, he also disses Avery for asking him to look into fingerprint evidence that might exonerate him. Why would Ken do that when Steven is guilty? Steven really needs to stop it with these nonsense claims and just admit he did it so he can join the ranks of other famous killers who confessed.

Kratz wrote this letter back before Making A Murderer came out and turned into a viral sensation, so he probably never expected it to surface. It’s just more fuel for people who interpreted his behavior during Avery’s trial as prosecutorial misconduct, and believe him to be a narcissistic weirdo more interested in furthering himself than in seeking justice.


Dear Mr Avery:

I got your letter dated August 28 2015, wherein you tell me your visitor list is full, and ask if I checked out other fingerprints found on Teresa Halbach’s car, telling me that these people could have “set you up” for this.

I apologise for misunderstanding your letters from a couple years ago, as I thought you were interested in being honest about what happened and finally telling the whole story to someone. Since I’m the person who probably knows more about your case that anyone else, I hoped that you would chose me to tell your story to.
Unfortunately, you only want to continue your nonsense about being set you. That’s too bad, because you had ONE opportunity to finally tell all the details, but now that will never happen.

By the way, the difference between you and famous convicted murderers from the past is that they told their whole truthful story to someone, who then wrote a book about what actually happened and people got to understand both sides. I was willing to do that for you… but if you are going to continue to lie about what happened between you and Ms Halbach, I am not interested.

If you change your mind, and want to tell your story someday, please contact me.

Sincerely yours,
Kenneth R Kratz

Read the disturbing text messages that caused Making a Murderer's Ken Kratz to lose his job

If you're part of the population that became obsessed with Netflix's docuseries Making a Murderer over the holidays, then you are well acquainted with the face of Ken Kratz, the Wisconsin prosecutor responsible for Steven Avery receiving a life sentence in the 2005 death of Teresa Halbach.


While the series has polarized viewers, raised a million questions about Avery's guilt and caused many to wring their hands at the American judicial system, there's one thing most of us can agree on: Kratz is pretty creepy.

His overconfident demeanor during the trial mixed with his love of stepping up to the mic to address local media was skeezy for sure, and as fans of Making a Murderer became obsessed with the show and started googling Kratz's name, more information about him began bubbling to the surface.


As we learned at the end of Making a Murderer, Kratz was involved in a sexting scandal in 2009, in which he sent a series of inappropriate texts to a female domestic violence victim. Kratz was prosecuting the woman's ex-boyfriend for allegedly strangling her when Katz sent upwards of 30 sexually suggestive messages to the victim.

The woman told investigators she felt threatened by the messages and was "afraid that if she doesn't do what he wants, Kratz will throw out her whole case," according to ABC News. The scandal led to Kratz's resignation as Calumet County district attorney after the governor sought his removal.

The text messages he sent that led to his resignation are now public — and pretty disturbing.


"It was nice talking with you! Feel free to text me (between 8 and 4) if you are bored. You have such potential. See ya. KEN (your favorite DA)," Kratz messaged the victim on Oct. 20, 2009, the first message in a three-day series of texts used in the woman's civil suit against Kratz, obtained by Radar Online.

"No text yet today? I’m feeling ignored. Are you even up yet?" Kratz followed up with. According to Radar, the woman replied that she was ill and Kratz offered to bring her soup and a margarita — which she declined.

At 11:30 a.m. on the same day the victim told Kratz she was ill, his text advances became more aggressive.

"I know this is wrong. I am such an honest guy, and straight shooter…but I have to know more about you… Are you the kind of girl that likes secret contact with an older married elected DA…the riskier the better?" he wrote.

"Still wondering if I’m worth it? Can I help you answer any questions?" he persisted as the woman shut down his advances. “Why would such a successful, respected attorney be acting like he’s in 7th grade? Are you worried about me?”


The victim then told Kratz that she would not lie and she was uncomfortable with his behavior, but Kratz persisted.

"You should never lie to me! Obviously we have talents and this to offer that the other is intrigued by [sic], or you would have called me creepy. You wanna accept."

On Oct. 21, 2009, Kratz began to verbally attack the domestic abuse victim when it became clear that she was not reciprocating.

"It would go slow enough for Shannon’s case to get done. Remember it would be special enough to risk all," he texted the victim, alluding to the fact his sexual fantasy about her would last the duration of her former boyfriend's abuse case.

When the woman didn't respond, Kratz kept the texts coming by demeaning her and talking himself up. "Hey..Miss Communication, what’s the sticking point? Your low-self esteem and you fear you can’t play in my big sandbox?[sic]

"You may look good at first glance, but women that are blonde, 6ft tall, legs and great bodies don’t like to be shown off or to please their men! [sic]" he wrote on Oct. 21.

"I’m the atty. I have the $350,000 house. I have the 6-figure career. You may be the tall, young, hot nymph, but I am the prize."

His final texts came on Oct. 22, 2009.

"I would not expect you to be the other woman," he wrote. "I would want you to be so hot and treat me so well that you’d be THE woman! R U that good?"

The woman filed a sexual harassment suit, which was settled out of court in 2013, according to Radar.

Read the disturbing text messages that caused Making a Murderer's Ken Kratz to lose his job

If you're part of the population that became obsessed with Netflix's docuseries Making a Murderer over the holidays, then you are well acquainted with the face of Ken Kratz, the Wisconsin prosecutor responsible for Steven Avery receiving a life sentence in the 2005 death of Teresa Halbach.


While the series has polarized viewers, raised a million questions about Avery's guilt and caused many to wring their hands at the American judicial system, there's one thing most of us can agree on: Kratz is pretty creepy.

His overconfident demeanor during the trial mixed with his love of stepping up to the mic to address local media was skeezy for sure, and as fans of Making a Murderer became obsessed with the show and started googling Kratz's name, more information about him began bubbling to the surface.


As we learned at the end of Making a Murderer, Kratz was involved in a sexting scandal in 2009, in which he sent a series of inappropriate texts to a female domestic violence victim. Kratz was prosecuting the woman's ex-boyfriend for allegedly strangling her when Katz sent upwards of 30 sexually suggestive messages to the victim.

The woman told investigators she felt threatened by the messages and was "afraid that if she doesn't do what he wants, Kratz will throw out her whole case," according to ABC News. The scandal led to Kratz's resignation as Calumet County district attorney after the governor sought his removal.

The text messages he sent that led to his resignation are now public — and pretty disturbing.


"It was nice talking with you! Feel free to text me (between 8 and 4) if you are bored. You have such potential. See ya. KEN (your favorite DA)," Kratz messaged the victim on Oct. 20, 2009, the first message in a three-day series of texts used in the woman's civil suit against Kratz, obtained by Radar Online.

"No text yet today? I’m feeling ignored. Are you even up yet?" Kratz followed up with. According to Radar, the woman replied that she was ill and Kratz offered to bring her soup and a margarita — which she declined.

At 11:30 a.m. on the same day the victim told Kratz she was ill, his text advances became more aggressive.

"I know this is wrong. I am such an honest guy, and straight shooter…but I have to know more about you… Are you the kind of girl that likes secret contact with an older married elected DA…the riskier the better?" he wrote.

"Still wondering if I’m worth it? Can I help you answer any questions?" he persisted as the woman shut down his advances. “Why would such a successful, respected attorney be acting like he’s in 7th grade? Are you worried about me?”


The victim then told Kratz that she would not lie and she was uncomfortable with his behavior, but Kratz persisted.

"You should never lie to me! Obviously we have talents and this to offer that the other is intrigued by [sic], or you would have called me creepy. You wanna accept."

On Oct. 21, 2009, Kratz began to verbally attack the domestic abuse victim when it became clear that she was not reciprocating.

"It would go slow enough for Shannon’s case to get done. Remember it would be special enough to risk all," he texted the victim, alluding to the fact his sexual fantasy about her would last the duration of her former boyfriend's abuse case.

When the woman didn't respond, Kratz kept the texts coming by demeaning her and talking himself up. "Hey..Miss Communication, what’s the sticking point? Your low-self esteem and you fear you can’t play in my big sandbox?[sic]

"You may look good at first glance, but women that are blonde, 6ft tall, legs and great bodies don’t like to be shown off or to please their men! [sic]" he wrote on Oct. 21.

"I’m the atty. I have the $350,000 house. I have the 6-figure career. You may be the tall, young, hot nymph, but I am the prize."

His final texts came on Oct. 22, 2009.

"I would not expect you to be the other woman," he wrote. "I would want you to be so hot and treat me so well that you’d be THE woman! R U that good?"

The woman filed a sexual harassment suit, which was settled out of court in 2013, according to Radar.

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
‘Making A Murderer’ D.A. Says Addiction Responsible For Sext Scandal: ‘I Was Creepy’
Ken Kratz claims he has changed since propositioning a crime victim.


Infamous Making A Murderer prosecutor Ken Kratz admits he sent inappropriate text messages to a domestic violence victim involved in one of his cases— but he swears he wasn’t in his right mind.

In an exclusive interview, Kratz told RadarOnline.com that he was hitting rock bottom in an addiction battle during the shocking scandal.

“I had become dependent on a combination of prescription medications, and started behaving in a very erratic, really creepy way,” confessed the former Wisconsin District Attorney, who convinced jurors to convict Steven Avery of murder in the famous 2007 trial— and resigned in disgrace three years later following his sexting shame. “Including hitting on people as part of my job. It culminated in sending these text messages to a crime victim.”


Soon after, the woman went to police with the sexts— and Kratz was caught. He was suspended from law for four months, and was told to step down from his government position.

He says he also lost his wife, his house, and was forced to file for bankruptcy. He also personally paid a “very large settlement” to the victim.

During six months out of work, Kratz claims he received inpatient treatment for his addiction.


“All of these consequences forced me to change,” he said. “I completely changed my personality. If you watch the Netflix series, I’m arrogant, narcissistic, I’m a d*ck! It’s not an attractive personality that’s out there. Some of that bravado was required [for the job], but some of that was me. But that’s not me now.”

Today, Kratz claims he is five years sober from drugs, and works as a criminal defense attorney for his own Wisconsin-based group, Kratz Law Firm.

Many of his clients suffer from addiction, just as he did.


“I get to help people every day,” he said. “I tell every one of them my story, because lots of stuff happened to me. I tell them, ‘If I can change and make better decisions, you can do this, too.’ So I turned what was the darkest thing on my life into a positive. I’m just really proud of that journey.”

Kratz says he’s angry Making A Murderer filmmakers brought his murky past back into the public eye with a mention in the series.

“It’s now become an opportunity to shame me, and try to define me as the person who engaged in that texting, that kind of behavior,” he explained. “Now I’m looked upon like I should remain embarrassed and ashamed of that part of my life. But I’m not. I’m very thankful all that happened.”

Making A Murderer' Prosecutor Ken Kratz Writing A Book To Clear His Name

‘Making A Murderer’ Prosecutor ‘Considering’ Lawsuit Against Filmmakers
Attorney Ken Kratz is furious over his depiction in the hit Netflix docuseries.

That mental giant probably spilled bleach on his pants while drinking it.

You probably think the West Memphis Three were guilty too.

Anybody showing up for the protest in Manitowoc tomorrow??

I usually drive through downtown on the way to work in Two Rivers. But not tomorrow.

Some locals are upset that there is no protest for the victim.

Some are taking bets on whether Rev. Jackson shows up. :)

If you do visit, go to Lake's south on 10th street. Great hamburgers and cheese curds!

If he actually killed her, it ****ing blows my mind why that dipshit didn't crush her car and incinerate her body and belongings in the Smelter.

It's a salvage yard. The perfect place to make a murder disappear.

A protest on behalf of Avery is in its own way a protest for the victim because if he didn't do it, exonerating him paves the way for finding the real killer.

Rebutting a Murderer:

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/co...erer-14280387/

I see another 10 part series coming.


"The other side of 'Making a Murderer'"

Profit.

LOL at reporter basing his thinking of guilt being the Dassey confession, which the prosecution never submitted as evidence because the defense would rip it apart. What they got from it was poisoning the well of public perception before the trial.

It isn't coercion that is the issue, no one is saying he was coerced . It is that the detectives were feeding him all the details. He should go read up on the actual psychological studies about children being interrogated. They have a large need to please who they see as being authority figures to the point of making up stories that no reasonable person would believe because the authority figure suggested it. Same goes with the mentally impaired with low IQs. The satanic child abuse hysteria should of disabused any serious court of the notion. The Dassey confession basically reads like the detectives giving a lot of exposition with Dassey replying with one word or one sentence answers. Not exactly going into great detail.

The way those two cops treated that kid, knowing full well his mental capacity, is downright criminal.

Just drove by the protest gathering point.

Clear and cold. 11 degrees.

One hour until protest starts.

NOBODY in parking lot.....except for four news trucks. One is from MKE..two hours away.

I guess the demands of outrage are easy to have when you are behind a keyboard...and not out in the cold. ROFL

Had breakfast this AM with someone who grew up knowing the Avery family. She absolutely believes that he is guilty. Apparently, he is an mean and abusive person.

The Averys from my understanding had a bad reputation in town so it doesn't surprise me locals and the cops would think he did it which is more than likely why the real killer may have targeted him as a person to set up. Also it is my belief that that is one of the reasons the corrupt cops planted evidence. They truly believe he did it.

No question Avery was not a saint. I believe that completely. But to be fair you do 18 years in state prison surrounded by killers, drug dealers and rapists chances are you are when you get out you are not going to be Mr Nice Guy. He probably had a lot of anger at the world, I know I would. That doesn't mean he raped and killed that girl.

Also if he was that much of a psychopath I would think the first person on his list to kill would be the person who identified him as a rapist sending him to prison for 18 years, not some girl he barely knew.

Uhhmm....problem with that theory. Kiss the Girls was also a movie, and there's a good chance he can retain what he saw in a movie. Brendan mentioned cutting Teresa's hair....but i read on another site that the book makes no mention of cutting anyone's hair but the movie DOES.

Also, even if he did get the details from the book, who's to say he read the whole thing? We're talking about a stupid teenage boy. Who's to say he didn't pick up the book because someone pointed out the sex scenes to him?

I would sure like to hear that guy rebut the key....only Avery's DNA on it and it was found on the what, seventh or eighth search of the property?

**** outta here with that...

That and the extremely ridiculous pre trial press conference where Kratz presented this horror story that he knew would convict Avery before the trial even began are things I still can't shake....

The key sitting there IN PLAIN SIGHT that was missed several times. Let's not forget the magic bullet in the garage.

The Prosecution denied access to the documentary team. No one gave interviews with them. Of course it focuses on Avery and his family and defense. They're the ones that granted access.

You can't have it both ways.

If the opposition had agreed to total access the doc would feel "more balanced." Couple their disinterest in cooperation with the Judge's ruling, disallowing the defense to name other suspects, and yeah, the documentary feels one sided. Of course it does.

I know that from previous law enforcement experience that the key would've been found within 5 mins. of the first search if it were there from the beginning.

So the Sheriff's Office and prosecution want us to believe that Avery hid the key there of all places...not anywhere else on his expansive property with an insane amount of places to hide said key but there...and he did this after knowing they had searched the room once and had access to it.

ROFLROFLROFL

Dateline NBC has the Avery case on tonight. 9:00 pm central.

I find it really hard to believe that a guy killed the girl only to frame Avery. I agree more with the latter part. I could easily see the corrupt cops finding her murdered body in her the Rav4 elsewhere. Knowing they have a 30 million dollar knife coming at them, they take advantage of Avery being a POI. Cleaning the SUV, burning her body in the quarry then dumping it and the car on his property in the middle of the night and just wait for someone to find it 2 days later is possible.

The other thing that doesn't make sense -- along with the blood that never was found and still hasn't been explained (in this thread or anywhere else) is why Avery involved this kid? Why involve anyone? I guess you could say that he was going to pin it on the kid or maybe he's just stupid, but never really understood why he would do it.

Innocent.

It may be contradictory but I agree with this too -- Avery's defense never came up with an alternative method for the victims body and car to end up on his property.

Guilty.

the other dassey kid and the step dad did it. Cops had minimal evidence and planted enough to secure a conviction. Knowing that there was most likely a huge settlement coming out of the county the judge and prosecutors didn't push too hard against the evidence hoping their yearly raises continued.

They weren't allowed to bring up other suspects.

And oddly enough the documentary doesn't either. The creepy ex b/f who lead the search seemed sketchy to me. The former cop/current sheriff seemed sketchy to me.

IIRC the prosecution/investigation never even interviewed friends or family of the victim which is where the guilty party comes from in most cases.

the step dad and brother alibi each other and the bus driver proved they both lied and were there when the photographer was there

pardon me, are you merely drunk or just stoned as to write such stupid prose??

So this is all about yearly raises? Come on, I've read your postings for years. You are smarter than that. Or are you trolling?

Actually, the counties insurance company told the county that they weren't covering the liability due to the counties blatant disregard of standards. Basically, the insurance company decided that it wasn't an accident that Avery got railroaded.

So it was a multi-million dollar lawsuit that would of, if not bankrupted the county completely, but the county in pretty dire financial straits.

I don't think he necessarily targeted him to frame him. I think the real rapist simply thought "how can I get away with a rape/murder? Who would be the best person who the cops/town would blame it on?"

Steven Avery is an easy target if you are a smart criminal. All you have to do is look at his first case. The guy had 16 people who were an alibi for him and he still got convicted. People in that town did not have a high opinion of him or his family. Smart criminals are not on a timeline. They can wait years to plan out a murder or rape... Maybe the guy who actually did this did just that and seized the opportunity...

The scariest part of this case is that if Avery is innocent the guy who actually did this is still out there and probably planning another rape and murder.

I can't remember if it was him or her brother who was being questioned by a reporter the day she was reported missing and he says something to the effect of 'Hoping to find her soon because they needed closure'.
That was a practiced answer and/or statement he had ready when the questions started rolling in. Thats something he knew would be a normal thing to say about the situation. Only thing is he spit that out too soon, way too soon.
I've dealt with people who go through life lying, stealing, cheating, and doing much much worse to get what they want. They have their stories and answers already made up to cover their asses. Thats what this guy had done.

Yearly raises and pride, I forgot pride in my previous post.

Or dead or in prison or dead

This.

And this is just me making shit up but, i believe Brendan Dassey knows they did it. I think he walked in on THEM committing the act and was suppose to frame it on Avery, but accidentally got himself convicted in the process.

What if he DID see Teresa get raped, and DID participate in it, but was told to pin it on Avery. He ****ed up by including himself in the story because he's a dumbass and got himself convicted.

And Don't forget Avery's early testimony too. Something along the lines of, "She left and when i turned around he was gone".

No.

This is about believing Avery to be guilty AGAIN without due diligence or even investigating anyone but Avery. They didn't even investigate the brother and step dad, and they're the damn neighbors. They were there. Bones were found in THEIR burn barrel. It was their car he was selling. Is that not enough to raise an eyebrow?

The lawsuit, the same detectives and the fact they disliked Avery was simply added incentive to continue their ignorance. The same shitty police work that got Avery convicted the first time.

They were so dead set on convicting him because they believed he was guilty, that they eventually planted evidence to get the conviction.

Rather superficial overview of the case. Didn't even talk about where did the blood go? And they talked about the nephew being convicted of the crime.

Nephew says they slit her throat in the bedroom

Cops say Avery shot her in the garage.

Either she was killed in the garage or the bedroom according to their convictions. How can you convict them both?

But for me its not finding a drop of blood anywhere in the bedroom or garage. He may be guilty but those crooked cops planted evidence.

Or still out there.. For example, the the guy who committed the first rape that Steve Avery was convicted of was out for years until he was finally caught.

Did it not take the cops years to catch that guy?
How many other rapes and murders did he commit in that time span?
We'll never know the true amount, now will we?

Or out there. I agree. Or dead though

I just watched this series last weekend. So incredibly ****ed up. I also agree that the other Dassey kid and step dad were very sketchy. Avery has been an easy target for years. There are so many holes in this investigation.

lol. which part? that I dont think a murderer targeted and framed Avery? Or that i find corrupt cops were probably corrupt more likely? but your dickish response works too.

My wife was watching that dateline and from what I saw, it was subpar compared to what will most likely be an award winning documentary.

Yep. Watched it this morning and was underwhelmed.

Hopefully you are right and he is dead...

Just finished watching Paradise Lost (1 & 2) and it's amazing how many similarities there are between that and the Avery case...

I have said that to anyone I talk to about the series. I tell people to also watch Paradise Lost.

The biggest thing that jumps out is the false confession from someone that is mentally handicapped. Jesse Misskelley was interrogated for 12 hours before he broke and made up his story.

I read the book written by Damien Echols and it was really good if not enraging.

I've paid attention to both sides and after analyzing all of the evidence I'm pretty sure about one thing: The man is guilty.

Okay, my work here is done.

That was a really convincing argument.. Thanks...

Your career as a defense attorney may be in jeopardy... :)

I figured he was judge Willis.

a potential lawsuit from any named alternative suspect is deterrent enough.

:clap:

nicely done

This left me thinking there was more evidence from the state's side that was glossed over and the FBI expert was more damning than the documentary made it seem. The defense didn't really have anything to challenge what he said.

Did seem to be some very sketchy stuff from local cops but didn't persuade me that Avery didn't do it. Though the nephew seemed the most unfortunate part whether he was a part of it or not.

They called their own expert who pretty much said that the results of the test done by the FBI are inconclusive and you cant say whether or not there is EDTA in the blood.

I don't know what the tests entail but when its something that isn't tested for anymore and machines would need to be re-calibrated and the ETA for results was something like 4 months and they came back in 2 weeks sounds pretty sketchy on the validity of the results, imo.