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staylor26 01-25-2019 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14072160)
Why would you put Houston at any other position when DE fits him so well? Houston provides a pass rush without blitzing, something that every Defense needs. Houston and Jones bring a constant pass rush with no need to expose passing lanes by blitzing someone from the backend.

I would like to say the same about Dee Ford but he isn't physical enough to set the edge and play the run.


Strong-side defensive end - Lined up to the strong side of the offense, this defensive end will be between the tight end and the tackle, and their primary responsibility is as a run stuffer with a minimal amount of pass rush ability. This is actually a perfect fit to try to maximize last year’s second-round pick Breeland Speaks. Speaks is solid against the run, but looks uncomfortable in space, something he won’t have to contend with often lined up in this spot. With some wanting to kick Speaks inside to 5-tech in the Chiefs 3-4 defense, this situation presents a better opportunity for Speaks to develop as a starting player for the Chiefs.

wazu 01-25-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14072187)
If you put Ford at DE.....teams are going to run over him.

As opposed to the way we stuffed the run in 2018?

bowener 01-25-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14071945)
Restructure Houston.
Tag and trade Ford.
Sign Trey Flowers.

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Flowers

Houston - Hitchens - DOD

Whether we stayed in a 3-4 or switched to a 4-3.....we'd still need CBs and safeties.

I'm wondering if Landon Collins wants to play for Spags again.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14072012)
The thing is, you can clear up so much money by letting Houston and berry go and not tagging ford

The berry thing probably can’t happen but the other two maybe

Why would you let any of them go? Berry costs a fortune to cut loose, and you could easily trade both Houston and Ford to avoid the dead money.

BUT why the **** would you trade Houston or Ford if you don't have a respectable replacement ready to go? Unless the Chiefs can get a first-round pick in the top 15 for each player, there is no reason to send them packing. You won't find a replacement for either of them on the cheap with as much ability and experience.

I'm calling bullshit on all these major concerns with who lines up where and if they can. Yes, there will be pains as they all learn different responsibilities, but the defense is going to be running in a 2 or 4 front nickel most of the time like they already did. Ford and Houston will be DEs or upright LBs at the line, and Nnadi and Jones will be the DL.

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14071945)
Restructure Houston.
Tag and trade Ford.
Sign Trey Flowers.

Speaks - Nnadi - Jones - Flowers

Houston - Hitchens - DOD

Whether we stayed in a 3-4 or switched to a 4-3.....we'd still need CBs and safeties.

We have a pretty good idea of what spagnuolos top priority will be. Out of 10 drafts as DC for the giants, half of the first and second round picks went to a DB. Not to mention they signed janoris Jenkins to a huge deal. Our secondary is going to see a huge facelift and I'm definitely cool with that.

O.city 01-25-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14072199)
I'm wondering if Landon Collins wants to play for Spags again.



Why would you let any of them go? Berry costs a fortune to cut loose, and you could easily trade both Houston and Ford to avoid the dead money.

BUT why the **** would you trade Houston or Ford if you don't have a respectable replacement ready to go? Unless the Chiefs can get a first-round pick in the top 15 for each player, there is no reason to send them packing. You won't find a replacement for either of them on the cheap with as much ability and experience.

I'm calling bullshit on all these major concerns with who lines up where and if they can. Yes, there will be pains as they all learn different responsibilities, but the defense is going to be running in a 2 or 4 front nickel most of the time like they already did. Ford and Houston will be DEs or upright LBs at the line, and Nnadi and Jones will be the DL.

Because the money would allow you to go get someone else or multiple other guys that may fit more what you want

The Franchise 01-25-2019 12:49 PM

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Weak-side defensive end - The Weak-side defensive end — also called the “LEO” — in the 4-3 Under is typically the best pass rusher on the team. Putting his hand in the dirt, this defender is responsible for weak-side run contain opposite the tight end and getting after the quarterback. With the Chiefs current personnel, this would be an easy fill for Dee Ford. Limited coverage responsibility, ability to set an edge, and — most importantly — a great pass rusher are all things that we’ve seen from Dee Ford this season.
Maybe it's just me....but I think Houston is a perfect fit for that role.

bowener 01-25-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14072191)
Strong-side defensive end - Lined up to the strong side of the offense, this defensive end will be between the tight end and the tackle, and their primary responsibility is as a run stuffer with a minimal amount of pass rush ability. This is actually a perfect fit to try to maximize last year’s second-round pick Breeland Speaks. Speaks is solid against the run, but looks uncomfortable in space, something he won’t have to contend with often lined up in this spot. With some wanting to kick Speaks inside to 5-tech in the Chiefs 3-4 defense, this situation presents a better opportunity for Speaks to develop as a starting player for the Chiefs.

This is an even better fit for Justin Houston than it is for Speaks. Just because that says "this defensive end will be between the tight end and the tackle, and their primary responsibility is as a run stuffer with a minimal amount of pass rush ability" doesn't mean they can't or won't have pass rush ability. Instead this means that Houston gets to be the primary stud on the field that will be fully utilized. He won't drop into coverage. Instead, he will stop the run, contain, string out the play, or pass rush. This is a much better position for Houston. Speaks can rotate when Houston needs a breather or when Houston kicks over to the other DE when Ford needs a breather.

A 4-3 with two legitimate pass rushing DEs would be incredibly dangerous for any team that falls behind by 10 or more points.

staylor26 01-25-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14072209)
Maybe it's just me....but I think Houston is a perfect fit for that role.

I have no problem with Houston at LEO if we trade Ford or let him walk.

chiefzilla1501 01-25-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowheadnation (Post 14071850)
Wasn't the reason that Ragland was moved by Buffalo in the first place because he didn't fit their 4-3 scheme?

Ragland was drafted because Rex Ryan begged for him. Nfl defenses are trying to get faster to account for the spread. Most 3-4s have an undersized ILB. I don't think Ragland will get many sniffs when we get rid of them. We need odaniel to get the program quick. Maybe scheme change will do Terrance Smith some good but he's always seemed pretty limited to me.

Frosty 01-25-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14072191)
Strong-side defensive end - Lined up to the strong side of the offense, this defensive end will be between the tight end and the tackle, and their primary responsibility is as a run stuffer with a minimal amount of pass rush ability. This is actually a perfect fit to try to maximize last year’s second-round pick Breeland Speaks. Speaks is solid against the run, but looks uncomfortable in space, something he won’t have to contend with often lined up in this spot. With some wanting to kick Speaks inside to 5-tech in the Chiefs 3-4 defense, this situation presents a better opportunity for Speaks to develop as a starting player for the Chiefs.

Man, I feel the vast majority of commenters didn't read the article. There is no way you put Speaks at LEO. You need someone fast who can rush the passer. Go back and watch the Seahawks in their LOB years. Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin played the LEO for them and were similar in size to Dee Ford.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1...e-leo-position

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Since the Leo plays from a looser alignment and operates in space, he doesn't need to have great size. Chris Clemons is listed at only 6'3 and 254 pounds. Bruce Irvin is an even smaller 6'3, 248.
If they don't want to pay Ford, the Chiefs will need a FA or draft pick for this spot. I really don't see KPass or Speaks being able to play it. I think KPass will be released or traded as he doesn't really have a spot in this defense.

EDIT: Ok, I could see Houston playing at LEO but then that leaves a hole at SAM. If they could get Wright from the Seahwaks, that would be perfect because that is where he played frequently.

staylor26 01-25-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 14072225)
Man, I feel the vast majority of commenters didn't read the article. There is no way you put Speaks at LEO. You need someone fast who can rush the passer. Go back and watch the Seahawks in their LOB years. Chris Clemons and Bruce Irvin played the LEO for them and were similar in size to Dee Ford.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1...e-leo-position



If they don't want to pay Ford, the Chiefs will need a FA or draft pick for this spot. I really don't see KPass or Speaks being able to play it. I think KPass will be released or traded as he doesn't really have a spot in this defense.

EDIT: Ok, I could see Houston playing at LEO but then that leaves a hole at SAM. If they could get Wright from the Seahwaks, that would be perfect because that is where he played frequently.

We’re talking about Speaks at SDE not LEO.

O.city 01-25-2019 01:05 PM

Why could ford not play the Leo?

bowener 01-25-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14072214)
I have no problem with Houston at LEO if we trade Ford or let him walk.

Why do people keep saying this? You never let him walk. There is no scenario where the Chiefs should do anything but tag him. They hold all the cards and can trade him for a very good draft pick.

I assume Arizona will be going back to the 3-4 this season and last I remember is they need a pass rusher. The Packers are absolutely desperate for a pass rusher.

Idk if the Packers would give up pick 12 for Ford, but that price feels about right.

edit: If Chiefs got pick 12 they might get lucky enough to grab Greedy Williams if he slides out of the top 10.

edit2: If they could move back Deionte Thompson would make me very happy. Then they take BDPA at 29.

The Franchise 01-25-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 14072253)
Why do people keep saying this? You never let him walk. There is no scenario where the Chiefs should do anything but tag him. They hold all the cards and can trade him for a very good draft pick.

I assume Arizona will be going back to the 3-4 this season and last I remember is they need a pass rusher. The Packers are absolutely desperate for a pass rusher.

Idk if the Packers would give up pick 12 for Ford, but that price feels about right.

Pick 12 isn't happening for Ford. I'd say that a realistic pick would be in the middle to lower 2nd round or top of the 3rd round.

The Franchise 01-25-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14072251)
Why could ford not play the Leo?

Could he? Possibly.

But he has knocks on him:

1. Injury history.
2. Cost and needing a new deal.
3. Lack of run defense. It's gotten better but it's still a weakness of his.


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