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KevB 04-05-2015 09:52 PM

There were 5 WR's taken in the 1st last year, another 7 in the 2nd round. 3 more in the 3rd.

If this year's draft is similar, that means Lockett/Dorsett/Hardy/McBride grouping may last into the 3rd, but it would be a roll of the dice to wait that long for a WR.

On the other hand, with so many receivers taken early in last year's draft, perhaps the demand for receivers isn't quite as high. I'd love to be able to go with two of MLB/CB/OL in the first two rounds, as those positions aren't as deep as WR. But we've got to upgrade the WR corps.

kcbubb 04-05-2015 10:27 PM

Miami pro day article & video. Dorsett's change of direction and separation ability is unreal.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...in-425-seconds

kccrow 04-05-2015 10:29 PM

15 receivers in the first three rounds with 12 in the first 2?

You're looking at likely:

1. Cooper
2. White
3. Parker
4. Strong
5. Green-Beckham
6. Perriman
7. Agholor
8. Smith
9. Greene
10. Lockett
11. Dorsett
12. McBride
13. Coates
14. Hardy
15. Lippett

At best you might have McBride, Hardy, Lippett grouping available in the 3rd, maybe Coates (I think he's being WAY overrated on draft sites).

You'd have to bank on your statement that maybe demand won't be quite as high and some slip through.

My thought is that the Chiefs need to grab one in the 2nd at least if they are getting one of the top 15 and also fits their offense.

I'd be happy with Chris Conley or Kenny Bell who are slated as 4th rounders at this point, although I think Conley goes before the end of the 3rd, but then the bottom drops out to where I only value a few late guys.

kcbubb 04-05-2015 10:41 PM

Nice article by eagles site with 3 videos on Dorsett. Actually mentioned chiefs as good fit for him in 2nd video.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ne...6-12ed77e58f29

KevB 04-05-2015 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11420851)
15 receivers in the first three rounds with 12 in the first 2?

You're looking at likely:

1. Cooper
2. White
3. Parker
4. Strong
5. Green-Beckham
6. Perriman
7. Agholor
8. Smith
9. Greene
10. Lockett
11. Dorsett
12. McBride
13. Coates
14. Hardy
15. Lippett

At best you might have McBride, Hardy, Lippett grouping available in the 3rd, maybe Coates (I think he's being WAY overrated on draft sites).

You'd have to bank on your statement that maybe demand won't be quite as high and some slip through.

My thought is that the Chiefs need to grab one in the 2nd at least if they are getting one of the top 15 and also fits their offense.

I'd be happy with Chris Conley or Kenny Bell who are slated as 4th rounders at this point, although I think Conley goes before the end of the 3rd, but then the bottom drops out to where I only value a few late guys.

I generally agree. I think Funchess fits in there somewhere --- someone will decide they can create favorable matchups with him. There's bound to be another receiver or two that sneaks in there earlier than we expect. Conley, Waller, Devante Davis....someone like that. But I think the top 12 are gone before our first 3rd rounder, and anyone after that probably can't be expected to have an impact in their rookie year.

KevB 04-05-2015 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 11420857)
Nice article by eagles site with 3 videos on Dorsett. Actually mentioned chiefs as good fit for him in 2nd video.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/ne...6-12ed77e58f29

I don't think there's any way he gets to us in the 2nd. Too many WR needy teams at the top of the 2nd that will be enchanted with his speed. Raiders, Jets, Bears, Browns, 9ers, Dolphins, Vikings could all pull the trigger on him. Paul Richardson came out of nowhere to be taken early in the 2nd last year, primarily based on his speed.

Direckshun 04-06-2015 02:10 AM

Dorsett ran a 4.2.

The Franchise 04-06-2015 09:43 AM

2nd round: Algohor, Dorsett or Devin Smith

3rd-5th round: Lockett or Hardy

OldSchool 04-06-2015 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11420914)
Dorsett ran a 4.2.

His 4.2 I can believe a lot more than Perriman's. Dorsett actually looks that fast.

RunKC 04-06-2015 09:57 AM

Devin Smith or Phillip Dorsett?

I think I like Dorsett more. He explodes off the line quicker and seems to be better in the crossing routes

Bowser 04-06-2015 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11421093)
2nd round: Algohor, Dorsett or Devin Smith

3rd-5th round: Lockett or Hardy

I'd take it, but I don' think Lockett for one is making it out of the second. His speed and route running will get him snatched up.

Agholor intrigues me. All those guys do. Agholor/Lockett/Dorsett/Hardy would all make me happy. Devin Smith is the guy I'm not sure about. Love his speed, but is that all his game is, just a fly route guy?

Saccopoo 04-06-2015 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11421111)
I'd take it, but I don' think Lockett for one is making it out of the second. His speed and route running will get him snatched up.

Agholor intrigues me. All those guys do. Agholor/Lockett/Dorsett/Hardy would all make me happy. Devin Smith is the guy I'm not sure about. Love his speed, but is that all his game is, just a fly route guy?

Actually, that's all Dorsett has been to this point. And his hands are questionable. Has never run anything at Miami other than the fly.

You could get the same guy in Atwan Goodley and Goodley will be a few rounds cheaper.

However, if you are looking for a big play guy that provides a bit of a different type of receiver than Albert Wilson (who is darn near identical to guys like Goodley and Dorsett, so their inclusion to the roster would be somewhat redundant), there's Dres Anderson, who, in 2013, led the NCAA's in 40+ yard plays. Smart kid too. (4x All-Conference academic.)

People have forgotten about him because of the injury, but he was considered a top-100 type guy going into the 2014 season.

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Direckshun 04-06-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11421110)
Devin Smith or Phillip Dorsett?

I think I like Dorsett more. He explodes off the line quicker and seems to be better in the crossing routes

I'd probably take Smith, just because he's still useful in the red zone.

Dorsett is crazy fast, and undersized. We've already got that guy in Thomas and Wilson.

We need more guys who can still challenge in the red zone.

OldSchool 04-06-2015 03:56 PM

People saying that you could get a guy like Dorsett later on are full of it. You can't teach the kind of speed that he has. He could come here and make DAT look normal, that's how fast he is. And his hands are more than good enough; if he had played with a decent college QB, we'd be talking about Dorsett as a sure 1st round pick right now just like people were on Cooks' nuts last year.

BigChiefFan 04-07-2015 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10937770)
The more I hear and see of White, the more of it I'm buying. Late 1st to 2nd round pick? I would not mind having the next Larry Fitzgerald on the team.

I doubt he makes it out of the top 5. Many have him ahead of Cooper, myself included.


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